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Few americans know anything of substance when it comes to health, nutrition, or how their body works and how to fuel it properly

Diabetes epidemic is only surprising for those that don't understand what causes diabetes and insulin sensitivity.

Sadly, your "medical health professionals" and the policy makers deciding our collective health inputs, are included in those who don't know what the hell they are talking about

People still believe the scientifically disproved falsehood that people are fat because of a glut/excess of calories, when it couldn't be further from the truth

Fat storage is regulated by hormones, and it is the type of calories, not the quantity, that has everyone so goddam unhealthily fat

Overweight and obesity charts were largely implemented by insurance company actuaries, another way insurance companies put their fingers on the scales and charge people higher premiums for vapor conditions.

Most real scientific studies have shown that older people below morbid obesity but with some extra fat are healthier in general, barring smoking, drinking, drug abuse, and diabetes.

zzyzzx says

1970, when fat people were rare.

Fat kids weren't as common, but there were plenty of fat adults.
Kids were thinner back then because there was only two and a half hours a week of television devoted to children back then. The wonderful world of Disney and the Bugs Bunny Road runner show(90 minutes long).
Kids had to play in the yard all day back then. If a kid ever made the mistake of showing his mug at home before sundown. He would have been straddled with a weeks worth of chores. Now kids sit in squallier, if Mom's not a neat freak, kids today never have to lift a finger.

Most real scientific studies have shown that older people below morbid obesity but with som extra fat are healthier in general

That sounds like a load of pooey. Where are these most real scientific studies you speak of?

What is the evolutionary utility of fat storage?

http://www.neatorama.com/2010/09/09/the-history-of-diets/

Within three months of her first meeting, more than 40 people were cramming into Nidetch's house on a weekly basis. Over the next year, she started several different groups around the New York metro area, finally incorporating her fledgling business in May of 1963. Now down to a trim 142 pounds, Nidetch hosted her first official Weight Watchers meeting, drawing more than 400 attendees.

In 1964... Cameron began the business with a simple pamphlet, price at $1 (cheap!) and within two years he'd sold more than 2 million copies.

Portion sizes need to be regulated at diners. The calorie counts are out of control.

This country has suffered with massive plate syndrome for years and calories need to be displayed clearer on fast food menus and especially all advertising.

Advertise a Big Mac or Whopper with the Calories, educate first!

Portion sizes should not be regulated. I just don't go to places with large portions. If I cannot have 4 courses and be at 70% full, the portion is too large.

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Peter P says

Portion sizes should not be regulated. I just don't go to places with large portions. If I cannot have 4 courses and be at 70% full, the portion is too large.

Portions need to be regulated. 15% Tips need to be mandatory.

Peter are you overweight/obese? Have you suffered with being overweight?

Call it Crazy says

Does that stop anyone from buying cookies, cupcakes, ice cream, etc.??

Yes you could eat 10 cupcakes or cookies and at that point I think you would know that was 600/1000 calories.

A single meal or even am item at Burger King or Mc D's is over 1000 calories. You would not know.

Call it Crazy says

121212 says

Advertise a Big Mac or Whopper with the Calories, educate first!

Right... like that will work...

Yes, it would.

Just like warning labels on cigs.

What about heart disease and high sodium in DIET FOOD!

Doesn't sodium content need to be displayed??

Peter P says

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Caloric info is a moot point, however, I think both sides of the trade would benefit from full disclosure

Sugars/carbohydrates are much, much more important when it comes to watching ones weight as it pertains to fat

121212 says

Peter P says

Portion sizes should not be regulated. I just don't go to places with large portions. If I cannot have 4 courses and be at 70% full, the portion is too large.

Portions need to be regulated. 15% Tips need to be mandatory.

Peter are you overweight/obese? Have you suffered with being overweight?

Yes I am overweight. Yes my shirts don't fit now.

15% tip is too little. 20% should be the norm. But I want tips and tax to be baked into the price.

errc says

Caloric info is a moot point

No it's not. Americans consume way to many calories. The reason, they don't know how many calories they eat!

Yes. People care too much about quantity but not enough quality.

errc says

Peter P says

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Caloric info is a moot point, however, I think both sides of the trade would benefit from full disclosure

Sugars/carbohydrates are much, much more important when it comes to watching ones weight as it pertains to fat

It depends. For me, its water retention.

Peter P says

errc says

Peter P says

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Caloric info is a moot point, however, I think both sides of the trade would benefit from full disclosure

Sugars/carbohydrates are much, much more important when it comes to watching ones weight as it pertains to fat

It depends. For me, its water retention.

To a degree, its the same thing. Your body retains that water, because you're eating sugar.the easiest way to make weight is to go on a ketogenic diet for 2-3 days, where your body purges that excess water bloat

Peter P says

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Mayonnaise and Bacon should be advertisement enough?
I know how about fat people skinny people ikons on the packaging?
We all know how Liberals love their monikers and ikons.
Or better yet how about a fat ikon on fat people we can require they wear them like a scarlet letter, why we can shame the pound away. While preaching tolerance and acceptance.

121212 says

What about heart disease and high sodium in DIET FOOD!

Doesn't sodium content need to be displayed??

I'm pretty sure that sodium AND fat content does need to be displayed.

121212 says

Portion sizes need to be regulated at diners. The calorie counts are out of control.

This country has suffered with massive plate syndrome for years and calories need to be displayed clearer on fast food menus and especially all advertising.

Advertise a Big Mac or Whopper with the Calories, educate first!

Then I have the perfect warning label for them:

zzyzzx says

I'm pretty sure that sodium AND fat content does need to be displayed.

I'm pretty sure it does.

errc says

Peter P says

errc says

Peter P says

But yes, calories should be advertised.

Caloric info is a moot point, however, I think both sides of the trade would benefit from full disclosure

Sugars/carbohydrates are much, much more important when it comes to watching ones weight as it pertains to fat

It depends. For me, its water retention.

To a degree, its the same thing. Your body retains that water, because you're eating sugar.the easiest way to make weight is to go on a ketogenic diet for 2-3 days, where your body purges that excess water bloat

I do not really have a sweet tooth, other than an occasional piece of cheesecake.

70% know about heart disease and diabetes but only 7% seem to know about increased risk in cancer

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57562421/obesity-survey-suggests-many-americans-dont-know-fat-can-cause-cancer-infertility/

As you well know I was talking about restaurants and fast food.

Call it Crazy says

zzyzzx says

121212 says

What about heart disease and high sodium in DIET FOOD!

Doesn't sodium content need to be displayed??

I'm pretty sure that sodium AND fat content does need to be displayed.

Anything you buy today has to have a nutrition sticker on it...

The problem is, somebody needs to READ it before they CONSUME it....

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As you well know I was talking about restaurants and fast food.

Anyone watch Biggest Loser season opener last night?

One of the previous winners keeps a full sized pic of himself when he was obese within eye shot of his refrigerator.

121212 says

Portion sizes need to be regulated at diners. The calorie counts are out of control.

This country has suffered with massive plate syndrome for years and calories need to be displayed clearer on fast food menus and especially all advertising.

Advertise a Big Mac or Whopper with the Calories, educate first!

Not necessarily - the most rational choice would be for the consumer to eat the right amount and take the rest home as leftovers - basically split 1 big meal into 2 or 3 reasonable meals.

dublin hillz says

Not necessarily - the most rational choice would be for the consumer to eat the right amount

Just like eating a balanced diet. that's not going to happen without education.

What makes you think an overweight person is suddenly going to wake up and make the right choices?

Educate the consumer, display the calories, fat, sodium, bullshit chemicals, colorings and dangers!

The food industry refuses to acknowledge GM or GMO as a necessity to add labels, you expect them to work with the consumer without FORCE OF REGULATION!

This is not solely limited to food but also a cosmetics and toiletries.

Do you know the poison you are consuming daily with your toiletries??

Call it Crazy says

121212 says

As you well know I was talking about restaurants and fast food.

Here then take this with you so you can educate everyone else in MickeyD's when you're there....

http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/getnutrition/nutritionfacts.pdf

I don't eat that garbage shit.

zzyzzx says

Anyone watch Biggest Loser season opener last night?

One of the previous winners keeps a full sized pic of himself when he was obese within eye shot of his refrigerator.

Why all he needs to do is log into Patrick.net, read your "FUNNY PICTURE THREAD" to remind him of the kind of assholes that exist online to make fun of the overweright.

MMR says

70% know about heart disease and diabetes but only 7% seem to know about increased risk in cancer

Drinking Apple Juice in excess will cause cancer, If you drink it from China you will get Arsenic poising as well.

Just like that guy who drank 3 quarts of SOY milk everyday and got bitch tits f.

121212 says

Educate the consumer, display the calories, fat, sodium, bullshit chemicals, colorings and dangers!

Honestly, I don't think that'll help. The slight-of-hand in prepared/processed/GM foods that has taken place over the last 30~ years is astounding, and WAY too much for Joe Average to comprehend on a meal-by-meal basis.

I lived with a vegan for four years before it clicked (now my fiancee, so at least that worked out) but it takes a serious--and sometimes expensive--effort to stay off the beaten path (which, ironically, used to be the norm).

The Honey BooBoo set just wants taste and quantity as they've been trained not to worry about the mechanics of it all.

121212 says

Drinking Apple Juice in excess will cause cancer, If you drink it from China you will get Arsenic poising as well.

Plus all the calories that fruit drinks have! I think you are better of drinking Crystal Light.

zzyzzx says

Plus all the calories that fruit drinks have! I think you are better of drinking Crystal Light.

I drink those but again that stuff is no good either.

ASPARTAME

A Dangerous Spin On The Cancer Risks Of A Sugar-Free Sweetener

http://www.world-wire.com/news/1001060003.html

Before 1970, obesity was non-existent. Then the microwave was invented. Beginning In 1995 processed food became glamourized with food labels.
Today, most people don't know what real food is.
hint: don't eat anything with a processed food label and your body will return to normal.

I know the poison I'm consuming daily reading your posts...
121212 says

Do you know the poison you are consuming daily with your toiletries??

I am a pretty slender person (5'6", 112 lbs). I am fortunate in that my natural tendencies are to eat healthy... and I've never been a ravenous person (much to the disappointment of my Italian family). That said...

Because I have always been thin, I never gave much thought to the details of food. Then, when I was 35, I learned that my fasting cholesterol was 220! (my ratios were good). Regardless, I was mortified.

So, I did a lot of research trying to understand why my cholesterol was so high. It's not like I was living on a beer and Cheetos diet! I read an article that talked about processed foods and how certain foods irritate the arteries resulting in higher cholesterol levels.

You all don't know me very well... but I am the last person who would have thought that eating processed foods could be so detrimental to your health. I always thought it was more about quantity than anything else... and I never had a problem with quantity.

Anyway... I started by cutting out things like margarine and my occasional sweet snack foods. In four months, my fasting levels dropped to 180. I never would have thought that such changes would have made a difference, but, for me, it did.

There's some bad stuff out there passing itself off as food.

I started chunking up a little after I hit my thirties. I blame the beer, fried okra, buttermilk, cheese grits and fried chicken by the sackful. I got back to my natural barbarian build by cutting back on the suds and substituting raw onions for snacks (eaten like you would an apple). I paired this new diet with midnight endurance runs through the desert 3X a week. I would ride my bike (a modified Schwinn Collegiate) like all hell for 5 miles, run barefoot in a five mile loop through the beautiful Morongo Valley back to my bike and then cycle back the five miles home to climb rope and jump on my trampoline for an hour. Even with an inflamed hip joint, I still manage to do a modified version of this heroic regimen once a week.

(If you're going to try this program, mouthwash is important.)

carrieon says

hint: don't eat anything with a processed food label and your body will return to normal.

Ding ding!

I wasn't 'overweight' to begin with (6'3" / 190) but as soon as I cut most of that out I went back to my ideal weight (even with a hearty craft beer habit). If I eat out I'm also 'that guy' who saves half for lunch tomorrow. This obsession with clearing your plate has to die somewhere; I hated it when I was a kid and I'm tired of being questioned about it now that I'm an adult.

One thing that hasn't been discussed in this thread are sodas. I stopped that habit five years ago, but it's amazing how socially acceptable it is to pour a half gallon of sugar water down your gullet every day. If someone is already obese it's like watching them beat themselves over the head with a hammer.

it's amazing how socially acceptable it is to pour a half gallon of sugar water down your gullet every day

Ding ding!!!!

You are absolutely right!

The fastest way to eliminate obesity is to stop drinking sodas, especially the diet drinks.

Yes, I said that correctly. Diet drinks are actually worse because of their lethal chemical ingredients.