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MisdemeanorRebel
2013 Apr 11, 1:27am
The Soviet Union fell because the Communist Party Insider's kids were wearing Levi's and Iron Maiden T-Shirts, when everybody else wore the same shit.
That's what killed the Soviet Union. People said "Classless society, my ass!"
The Insiders in those Levis, btw, became the "Oligarchs" of the 90s.
leo707
2013 Apr 11, 2:22am
Good grief. Love your selective faux outrage.
? WTF are you talking about? Yes, all kinds of people commit violations of human rights, and they all should be condemned for doing so.
Please feel free to post the quote where I think that people who have committed gross violations of human rights should be given a free pass.
Feel free to use my entire posting history to draw from.
Here I will give you an example of how it is done...
Oliver North? For real?
I also don't mind arming people to fight Marxists in South America.
So, you post in support of Oliver North and his aid -- even when that aid was in direct violation of the US Constitution -- to the Contras (even through the Contras were not fighting Marxists). You seem to have no problem supporting a group that literally -- not metaphorically, but literally committed acts that put them on the same moral ground as serial killers, rapists and child killers. You basically want to excuse Oliver North -- nay, call him a hero -- for putting his arm around people like Ted Bundy, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, etc. giving them a fat roll of cash and saying, "go do your thing boys!" as he points them towards schools, medical clinics, etc.
And, it is all OK, because the victims targeted by North's proteges lived in a country run by a liberal-socialist democratically elected government that you don't like. I hate to think of what kind of action you would approve of against Americans with whom you politically disagree with. Are you a Jim David Atkisson, Byron Williams, or Martin Hohenegger in the making or do you merely endorse people like that, and think it is a good idea to support them with government funds?
Yet, you spit, froth and gnash your teeth because some ex-Weathermen got Ivy League teaching jobs. Please, please...Please! find anyone hired by any accredited university in the US that is guilty of anything close to the crimes that Oliver North used our tax dollars to fund.
Ha, ha, right, talk about faux outrage.
FortWayne
2013 Apr 11, 2:52am
This reporter is a complete knuckle head. He looks at this poor old man, who is down on his luck, completely screwed over by the system, who is ranting against capitalism, and jumps to arguing socialism vs capitalism.
But we all know that no matter what the system is, it's still ran by human beings and we humans do tend to screw other human beings for personal gain or profit. And until we all humans become better, arguing capitalism vs socialism is a moot point.
A car is only as good as the parts in it, a system is only as good as the people in it.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 11, 3:55am
Oh, so butchering, raping, terrorizing, and torturing civilians is A-OK in your book, just as long as the perpetrators share your political views?
That's what the right always refers to as "family values".
? WTF are you talking about? Yes, all kinds of people commit violations of
human rights, and they all should be condemned for doing so.
Please feel free to post the quote where I think that people who have
committed gross violations of human rights should be given a free pass.
Have you condemned Obama for arming much worse people in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia....? These people torture, kidnap, cut off heads, blow up moques, synagogues and churches.
The Contras were pikers compared to various sectarian and Islamist groups we are currently doing business with.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama (or Ollie's) efforts to arm folks in the greater struggle against Authoritarians. I am just laughing at your selective outrage and apparent total lack of knowledge of current events.
But we all know that no matter what the system is, it's still ran by human beings and we humans do tend to screw other human beings for personal gain or profit.
As have the Socialist done in Eastern Europe/Soviet Union. But you have to be a well connected party member to enjoy the perks, without standing in line.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 12, 12:06am
Is it too late to point out that the OP misspelled "ugliness"?
Too late, no. Too petty, yes.
I can't talk now, but someone on the Internet is wrong. And it's the worst kind of wrong: spelling.
Vicente
2013 Apr 12, 6:05am
Soviet Union
Are you posting through a time portal from 1986? News from THE FUTURE, the Soviet Union doesn't exist.
The biggest Communist country now is China, which many in the FIRE-worshipping circles seem to regard grudgingly as some sort of success story.
FortWayne
2013 Apr 12, 6:19am
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
Vicente
2013 Apr 12, 6:41am
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
They certainly claim to be Communists. Seems like people who worship capitalism, don't really care one with if Liberty is coincident. SovU bad, China good, largely because one did a better job at it (so far) than the other. Thus Thomas is wasting his time (and ours) talking about the dead SovU when he should be comparing China.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 12, 6:51am
Soviet Union
Are you posting through a time portal from 1986? News from THE FUTURE, the Soviet Union doesn't exist.
Holy shit! thomaswong.1986 is Michelle Bachmann! That explains why I have never seen the two at the same time!
leo707
2013 Apr 12, 7:39am
Have you condemned Obama for arming much worse people in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia....? These people torture, kidnap, cut off heads, blow up moques, synagogues and churches.
The Contras were pikers compared to various sectarian and Islamist groups we are currently doing business with.
Haha, yes I understand that the value you put on a human life of a person who is abused and/or murdered by people that share your political opinions is very low. However, that hardly changes the facts of actually atrocities committed.
Yes, I have and do condemn Obama for supporting groups/people with poor human rights records, but clearly you are totally unfamiliar with the types of atrocities committed -- illegally, with the use of our tax dollars -- by the Contras. There is not a war crime that you can think of, or committed by any of the groups you listed, that was not perpetrated by the contras.
You seem to have no problem supporting a group that literally -- not metaphorically, but literally committed acts that put them on the same moral ground as serial killers, rapists and child killers.
Perhaps you missed the bolded "literally" when comparing the contrast to "serial killers, rapists and child killers." Yes, I did mean LITERALLY please look into it (and past similar apologists like yourself) and you will see that these were more than mere collateral effects of war, that even happen in the US Military (that actually may punish and discourage such actions), but were SOP for the contras.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama (or Ollie's) efforts to arm folks in the greater struggle against Authoritarians.
Right, because all the entirely innocent civilians -- man, woman and child -- who are horribly abused and murdered in the process are well worth the sacrificing of putting an despotic authoritarian into power with whom you agree with.
I am just laughing at your selective outrage and apparent total lack of knowledge of current events.
? but you still have not been able to find any past posts of mine that would support that? I was able to clearly demonstrate your "selective outrage." Obviously grown from the diseased seed of FOX "news" misinformation, planted in whatever that fertile matter is that you have chosen to fill your brain pan with.
Oh wait...you probably don't ever need much support for your well intrenched ill-conceived thoughts steeped thoroughly in truthiness.
Yes, I have and do condemn Obama for supporting groups/people with poor human rights records, but clearly you are totally unfamiliar with the types of atrocities committed -- illegally, with the use of our tax dollars -- by the Contras. There is not a war crime that you can think of, or committed by any of the groups you listed, that was not perpetrated by the contras.
So you do not mention AGAIN two members were former opposition to the former regime and members of the Sandinista Junta who joined the Contras because the realized Ortega was creating a communist state.. as Castro did in Cuba, creating a Soviet Client State. No matter what, Nicaragua wasnt going to be a puppet state of the USSR.
Ortega saw what happened to the Communist leaders in Europe and he knew his life was coming to an end. ...
The Sandinista War on Human Rights
July 19, 1983
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1983/07/the-sandinista-war-on-human-rights
Recent statements by a former Sandinista Intelligence officer dis closed that some 5,000 Nicaraguans were slaughtered in the early months of Sandinista rule. The Sandinistas have assassinated and kidnapped their opponents whether inside or out of Nicaragua.
Examples: the murders of Commander Bravo in Honduras, Jorge Salazar in Managua, Hector Frances in Costa Rica, and Anastasio Somoza in Paraguay. Repression is not limited to political foes.
Nicaraguans who refuse to bow to Sandinista rule are likely to be harassed, arrested or tortured. If an individual fails to conform to Sandinista standards, he will be prohibited from obtaining em ployment, food and shelter. Enforcing this is a vast domestic security network. A Nicaraguan today, in sum, enjoys few human civil or political rights THE PERMANEWT COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGH!I!S The Perma n ent Commission of Nicaraguan Human Rights (CPDH was 'founded in April 20, 1977, in Managua. During the Somoza regime, reports of human rights vio.lations by the regime were allowed to be published daily by the CPDH and'were frequently quoted by the intern a tional press. Amnesty International, for example, was able to monitor violations in Nicaragua based on the reports of the Commission 3 In a 1982 interview in Washington, D.C., Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez, then National Coordinator of the Permanent Commissio n said that under Somoza he could "call the editors of major U.S newspapers and my statements concerning violations of human rights by the Somoza regime made headlines the following day they don't even answer my calls."
Washington, Dr. Gonzalez had been fo rced into exile after numerous threats from the Sandinistas and several closures of the Commission's offices in Managua. Dr. Gonzalez believed that he could no longer serve as a functional member of the Commission inside Nicaragua and has since started a human rights group in exile.
Oh wait...you probably don't ever need much support for your well intrenched ill-conceived thoughts steeped thoroughly in truthiness.
Today as back then, the east bay (oakland) has been all about apologies and denial for Marxist ideologies. You are a failure, everyone can see that.. you need not point to any FOX news channel to see that. No one in this world be they from other US States, or overseas in Europe, Asia or anywhere else would trust such perverted cronism as what you have spewed.
We will never bow down to Socialism.
The Sandinista War on Human Rights
July 19, 1983
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1983/07/the-sandinista-war-on-human-rights
You do know that the Heritage Foundation was part of a program within the Reagan administration to "sell" his admins support for the Contras? Most people would call it propaganda, and yet you have never wondered why the US congress passed the numerous Boland Amendments, have you?
You do know that the Heritage Foundation was part of a program within the Reagan administration to "sell" his admins support for the Contras? Most people would call it propaganda, and yet you have never wondered why the US congress passed the numerous Boland Amendments, have you?
Good for them, they did the right thing.. so what about the Human Rights violations as reported by Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez... well you just ignore that. You do realize Boland Amendments expired after 1985. They were amendments written into the annual budgets.. was in subsequent defense budgets ? 1986 87 88 89 ?
Good for them, they did the right thing.. so what about the Human Rights
violations as reported by Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez... well you just ignore
that. You do realize Boland Amendments expired after 1985.
Written again in 85, and was for the fiscal year 86.
Washington, Dr. Gonzalez had been fo rced into exile after numerous threats
from the Sandinistas and several closures of the Commission's offices in
Managua. Dr. Gonzalez believed that he could no longer serve as a functional
member of the Commission inside Nicaragua and has since started a human rights
group in exile.
Gee, I wonder where he got some money to start that group, and what a coincidence, a very hard right group(Heritage) gives him a megaphone to help justify and support Reagan's actions there on trying to overthrow a democratically elected, but ideolically opposite government.
PeopleUnited
2013 Apr 12, 2:34pm
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
Whose "they" the slave labor or the party leaders?
Written again in 85, and was for the fiscal year 86.
keep going.. for how many years was it written into the Annual Defense spending bill ?
"The Boland Amendment was the name given to three U.S. legislative amendments between 1982 and 1984.....No court ever made a determination whether Boland covered the NSC, and because it was a prohibition rather than a criminal statute, no one could be indicted for violating it. Opponents alleged that the White House violated the amendment. Congress later resumed aid to the Contras, totaling over $300 million."
If the Contras were so Evil.. why was there popular support in the rural areas. And who was elected president once the Sandinista were swept away... Ortega and his cronies had their days numbered as USSR disintegrated...starting with Gorbachev cutting off all aid.
If the Contras were so Evil.. why was there popular support in the rural
areas. And who was elected president once the Sandinista were swept away...
Ortega and his cronies had their days numbered as USSR disintegrated...starting
with Gorbachev cutting off all aid.
If you would have pasted a lower excerpt of that same article, you would've answered your own question.
keep going.. for how many years was it written into the Annual Defense
spending bill ?
Hehe, really, prove it and post the link to the rider/amendment.
YOU claimed that the amendments expired, now you say they don't. I don't know what you're more of; stupid or just plain full of shit.
Good for them, they did the right thing.. so what about the Human
Rights
violations as reported by Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez... well you just
ignore
that. You do realize Boland Amendments expired after 1985.
YOU claimed that the amendments expired, now you say they don't. I don't know what you're more of; stupid or just plain full of shit.
I claim.. they were part of the annual Defense Bill... between 1982-85...different budget every year
and now your unable to pony up events afterwards... 86,87,88,89 and 90...
what happened... The Contras won... so much for Ortega and his thugs!
Freedom won! enjoy it!
what happened... The Contras won... so much for Ortega and his thugs!
Freedom won! enjoy it!
Yea, and I'm not surprised that you didn't prove it. Oh, you might want to head over to your beloved wikipedia and find out who won in the end. I probably shouldn't bust on your (wikipedia)knowledge of the subject because you were probably not even in high school yet.
knowledge of the subject because you were probably not even in high school yet.
your incapable of understanding/accepting that many US citizens supported the Contras even if the media did not. the liberals in the US of course were dumbfounded as you as their world view came crashing with the fall of Sandinista, Berlin Wall and USSR. Too bad for your kind.
the pathetic Socialist world doesnt exist any longer... it ended in 1989 !
your incapable of understanding/accepting that many US citizens supported the
Contras even if the media did not. the liberals in the US of course were
dumbfounded as you as their world view came crashing with the fall of
Sandinista, Berlin Wall and USSR. Too bad for your kind.
the pathetic Socialist world doesnt exist any longer... it ended in 1989
!
Yea, that explains why Reagan had to support the contras, which was the old Somoza brutal and corrupt national guard, not only illegally, but behind congress and the American people's back. And, when the Sandinista were VOTED out, it was because those same Sandinistas set up the election system and had the first ever election in the country.
Reagan also took some flack over the numerous outright lies that he spewed to support the old savages of Somoza, including a gem that I had the unfortunate sake of being part of in 1988.
I was right before about you being full of shit AND stupid, because you have absolutely no CLUE what government is in charge now, and the election was overseen by various international groups for it's legitimacy, and a former Sandinista is back in charge.
I was right before about you being full of shit AND stupid, because you have absolutely no CLUE what government is in charge now, and the election was overseen by various international groups for it's legitimacy, and a former Sandinista is back in charge.
Which Ortega is in charge today ? ... the power hungry Communist making a deal with Cuba and Soviets or just another politician who has to earn his vote and accept free market capitalism... there is no Commandante Ortega or any revolutions to be won today.... and he certainly doesnt carry any clear majority. He too will pass of old age..
Which Ortega is in charge today ? ... the power hungry Communist making a
deal with Cuba and Soviets or just another politician who has to earn his vote
and accept free market capitalism... there is no Commandante Ortega any
revolutions to be won.... and he certainly doesnt carry any clear majority. He
too will pass of old age..
You know, if you're going to try and squeak out some nickels for being a really crappy propagandist, you might consider brushing up on your english skills. The crappy sentences that don't make any sense may work for posting stupid one-liners on yahoo articles, but not here where you have to post something coherent.
You know, if you're going to try and squeak out some nickels for being a really crappy propagandist, you might consider brushing up on your english skills. The crappy sentences that don't make any sense may work for posting stupid one-liners on yahoo articles, but not here where you have to post something coherent.
I been using email and computer sys. before you even laid a finger on a keyboard, BOY! .
crappy english spelling didnt matter then it doesn matter today... WORD!
Dan8267
2013 Apr 13, 8:50am
Then, explain this
You don't judge the beliefs of other people in a negative way because you're so humble and all ideas have merit. Right? That's total bullshit. Counter-example: Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Islamic men in the Middle East, deeply and religiously believe that it is a moral imperative to honor kill a woman in their family if she has had sex with a man who isn't her husband, even if the woman was raped.
Tell me that you "respect" that belief. It's a deeply held, religious conviction from another culture. Are you saying you would tolerate honor killings out of respect for these men's beliefs? I don't think that you are that fucked up. And the only alternative is that you are engaging in politically correct bullshitting.
And that's just one counter-example. I could provide an infinite number of others, but only one is necessary, and this is a very real world, non-academic example that greatly impacts peoples lives right now. It is cowardly and wrong to ignore such atrocities simply to make yourself more acceptable to other people. Grow a backbone and stand up for human rights even if it means pissing off some assholes with shitty beliefs that happen to be religious beliefs. You can't make any positive impact on the world without pissing somebody off.
In this classic Dan8267 post, I, the most liberal person on patrick.net, go head to head with a non-liberal leftist, Marcus, on the very issue that your cartoon ridiculous.
Sorry, your cartoons might make some people laugh, but they simply don't reflect reality as I demonstrated in that old thread.
As for abortion, both pro-choice and pro-life are marketing bullshit. The pro-life side is no more "pro-life" than the pro-choice side is "pro-choice". And most people don't fall into either categories.
By the way, I have already resolved the abortion issue. If you have anything new to add, do so in that old thread I opened. Just look at my thread history to find it.
MisdemeanorRebel
2013 Apr 15, 1:56am
Thing is Linus can chose all these things. Smoking, Guns, and Belief in the Invisible SkyDaddy are all legal. Large Sodas may not be an option in NY, but neither is buying Gas by the liter. You can still drink 32oz. cokes, you just have to buy 2 16oz. sodas.
marcus
2013 Apr 16, 3:22pm
Then, explain this
You don't judge the beliefs of other people in a negative way because you're so humble and all ideas have merit. Right? That's total bullshit. Counter-example: Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Islamic men in the Middle East, deeply and religiously believe that it is a moral imperative to honor kill a woman in their family if she has had sex with a man who isn't her husband, even if the woman was raped.
Tell me that you "respect" that belief. It's a deeply held, religious conviction from another culture. Are you saying you would tolerate honor killings out of respect for these men's beliefs? I don't think that you are that fucked up. And the only alternative is that you are engaging in politically correct bullshitting.
And that's just one counter-example. I could provide an infinite number of others, but only one is necessary, and this is a very real world, non-academic example that greatly impacts peoples lives right now. It is cowardly and wrong to ignore such atrocities simply to make yourself more acceptable to other people. Grow a backbone and stand up for human rights even if it means pissing off some assholes with shitty beliefs that happen to be religious beliefs. You can't make any positive impact on the world without pissing somebody off.
In this classic Dan8267 post, I, the most liberal person on patrick.net, go head to head with a non-liberal leftist, Marcus, on the very issue that your cartoon ridiculous.
(assuming he means ridicules)
I saw this from another browser and can't help but comment. He's right, that was classic Dan. That entire blocked quote was a response to my saying this:
"Yes, I'm careful about what I believe and the ways in which I judge what others believe. That's just my nature.
Classic indeed. Classic ! He got all of that from that one little sentence.
curious2
2013 Apr 16, 4:16pm
I saw this from another browser and can't help but comment.
In other words, Marcus continues to use another browser to stalk the people he claims to Ignore. Creepy, crazy, and the worst sort of childish. His false accusations and tantrums including profanity do illustrate an occasional ugliness of the left, though his comments aren't really about anyone other than himself.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 19, 7:44am
assuming he means ridicules)
Oh no, one typo is like 50 posts. Sue me. How about you address the issue of substance while your at it?
I saw this from another browser and can't help but comment.
I.e., I want people to know that the real reason I don't respond to most of Dan's comments is that I haven't read them because he's on my ignore list. It's certainly not because I have no intelligent answer.
Of course, when I do feel respond to Dan it's because I was using a "different browser" which I do because, ..., because, ..., look a bear! Where was I? Oh yeah, Dan sucks.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 19, 7:45am
In other words, Marcus continues to use another browser to stalk the people he claims to Ignore. Creepy, crazy, and the worst sort of childish.
Right on.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 19, 7:50am
Then, explain this
Hey, creepy, stalker dude using a different browser. Now that you got your jollies pointing out my typo -- oh the humanity -- how about you and zzyzzx fight it out. I can't be both an anti-Islam hating bigot and an Muslim appeasing terrorist hugging hippie. They are kind of mutually exclusive, which was the point of my referencing the old discussion with the new one.
Liberals don't tolerate injustices and crimes against humanity simply because someone's bigoted hatred has a religious basis. That's what leftists do. That's why I'm always reminding the neo-cons the difference between liberalism and leftism. The like to use the terms interchangeably. They are not.
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As ugly and despicable as the right is, it does not have a monopoly on ugliness. Recently, a successful female Princeton graduate, Susan Patton -- one of the first women to attend Princeton, by the way -- recently wrote a short, honest letter in which she advocated that Princeton women follow a long-term dating strategy in college rather than a short-term stating strategy. Patton argues that college is the best time for women to secure a husband and that who a woman marries will be instrumental in her happiness.
Of course, everything Patton said is undeniably true. College is the time in which both men and women have access to the greatest pool of eligible mates with similar interests and life situations, with the freedom to live anywhere, and the least emotional, financial, and physical baggage.
It is also indisputably true that mate selection is one of the most important, if not the most important, decision a man or woman will ever, ever make in his or her life. A happy marriage makes for a far better life than a miserable one. And as indicated the sheer ferociousness of the mating market, competition for high quality mates is extremely high for both straight men and women. (I would think that such competition would also be extremely high in homosexual and bisexual mating markets, but I'll leave that for another thread.) Not that being single can't be great, but even then, your family is an essential part of your life. If you do get married, that doesn't become less true.
So, Susan Patton advices that women at Princeton consider shifting from "playing the field" (short-term strategy) to "looking for a husband" (long-term strategy). Now, one can argue whether or not Patton is correct. There are many trade-offs in life including marrying young when your options are vast or waiting until your older and your options are limited to what's left over or in the secondary market. There are various pros and cons, and I'm sure this thread will spawn a discussion on those pros and cons and well as the nature of Patton's advice.
However, before we get to that, I would like to point out the utterly unacceptable behavior of the far left which seeks to silence the very discussion of this topic by making personal attacks on Patton and by making dumb Straw Man arguments including the false dichotomy that either a woman of college age must be completely disinterested in husband selection or she is forever doomed to live in the 1950s.
Such arguments and attacks show an irrational opposition to even listening to a discussion that creates a bubble around the left that is essentially the same as the bubble the right lives in. No facts, no ideas, no truth can get inside that bubble. And those living in the bubble must preserve the integrity of that bubble, no matter what the cost.
The letter Susan Patton wrote to The Daily Princetonian
By the way, doesn't Princetonian remind you of Praetorian? Or is that just me?
CNN Video: A nasty leftist attacks Patton
ABC News Video: Reactions to Patton's Letter
OK, have at it...