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CaptainShuddup says

Seems like we need background checks for pressure cookers.

In a country where I have to be stripped searched to get on a commercial airplane, you have to pass a background check to get a gun. You don't want terrorists getting guns, do you?

REpro says

For me an explosion was to turning attention of public and police to do something else.

I wonder if the bomber(s) had planned something else and then chickened out. Maybe a bank robbery, or similar robbery, or maybe something like the Oslo bombing. With no explanation and no other shoe dropping, it seems like only half a plan occurred. Still it's a complete tragedy for the families of the deceased, and a horrible day for the severely injured. Congratulations though to the 78yo runner who, after being knocked down by an explosion, got up and walked across the finish line and another half mile back to his hotel.

I just heard a senator was sent a letter with Ricin. Is that a coincidence?

Dan8267 says

You don't want terrorists getting guns, do you?

I don't want terrorists getting pressure cookers, forks, rope, pottery ware, glass bottles, sports equipment, tools, hardware, a car, or any other object someone could use to inflict pain on other human beings. But I would dread a word that tried to legislate that a reality, even more.

CaptainShuddup says

I don't want terrorists getting...glass bottles....

Notice our TSA workers were irradiating airline passengers to produce naked electronic images, and confiscating nail clippers, and you can't even bring a plastic bottle of water or an ordinary tube of toothpaste with you anymore, but Jihadis can buy glass bottles at the Duty Free Stores without even paying sales tax. Security theater is not security, just as "health insurance" is not health care, and "health care" is not health. Those who trade away liberty in exchange for security end up with neither, as any "secure" prison facility can illustrate vividly.

CaptainShuddup says

But I would dread a word that tried to legislate that a reality, even more.

And I would be ok with that if
- I didn't have to be rape scanned at the airport or felt up by TSA agents.
- There were no "no fly" lists.
- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.
- None of our rights, including due process, were ever suspended or revoked in the name of fighting terrorism.

Yep, I agree that the society that is willing to trade liberty for security will get and deserve neither. But if there is anything the government should regulate and keep tabs on for the sake of "security", it would be weapons, not our electricity usage (smart meters), Internet usage, personal bank accounts, our purchases, our medical records, and all the other things government does spy on.

Dan8267 says

- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.

What are you referring to here, Dan? Google was no help.

curious2 says

and you can't even bring a plastic bottle of water or an ordinary tube of toothpaste with you anymore, but Jihadis can buy glass bottles at the Duty Free Stores without even paying sales tax.

they dont sell c4 explosives inside toothpaste package at the duty free shops.. if they did
im sure that too would have been banned. do you get this !

CaptainShuddup says

Seems like we need background checks for pressure cookers.

not to mention registration and serial numbers.

So it turns out the Saudi man had nothing to do with the bombing. He was tackled by others and questioned by the police because he was running away from the explosion. Gee, imagine someone running away from an explosion... how odd. Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

justme says

Dan8267 says

- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.

What are you referring to here, Dan? Google was no help.

When I moved into a new rental house, I had to open a water utility account in my name. This should be a simple phone call or website task, but I had to physically go to a government shop during their business hours (my work hours) and prove to them who I was and let them copy my driver's license and social security card.

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

I just barely refrained myself from telling them that my roommate was Osama bin Laden, but he prefers to keep the utilities in my name, the moocher. I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

Homeboy says

So it turns out the Saudi man had nothing to do with the bombing. He was tackled by others and questioned by the police because he was running away from the explosion. Gee, imagine someone running away from an explosion... how odd. Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

He's lucky George Zimmerman wasn't there.

Dan8267 says

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

utility bills serve as a form of ID, actually.

why, dunno, but they do!

Dan8267 says

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

Florida.. you of all people should know Florida was the main focus for cocaine drop offs from South America where number of cartels would buy up Florida property as safe houses as part of their smuggling route.

no not Terrorism. but Cocaine trafficking.

Dan8267 says

I just barely refrained myself from telling them that my roommate was Osama bin Laden, but he prefers to keep the utilities in my name, the moocher. I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

or how about .... "Ochoa"

Homeboy says

Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

Sure it would, it's not like there's NOT any reason to think a White guy would never do something like this. The Atlanta Olympics bomber, and the Oklahoma City bomber were both white after all.

Dan8267 says

I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

Then you would have been the "guy", in that Pakistan compound that Obama had snuffed, defaced, then dropped in the Ocean. Osama died early on in the Afghan conflict.

zzyzzx says

No. But the whole ball bearings thing makes me wonder since it's way easier
to buy nails than it is to buy ball bearings. Ball bearings are practically a
mail order only item.

No they aren't because of the anonaminity of mail order, and some box stores do carry them but in small amounts because they are commonly used to make pipe bombs. They are available in many different sizes, but when they get scanned through you'll get a visit from Law enforement if you buy too many, like to make a large lazy-susan.

thomaswong.1986 says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare#Anarchist_bombings

All of these bombings targeted politicians, not the general public. Why on Earth would Anarchists or Socialists bomb the very people they want to recruit?

The last time a bomb went off at a major US athletic event, it was the anti-abortionist/anti-homosexual Eric Rudolph, a far-right nutjob and a hero to certain kooks. Boston has plenty of religious nutjobs of all stripes.

More on right wing bombings and murders here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/01/nation/na-abortion-violence1

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades, and not one against the general public. I think the last one was MOVE in Philly, and actually, the bomb was dropped on them.

thunderlips11 says

All of these bombings targeted politicians, not the general public. Why on Earth would Anarchists or Socialists bomb the very people they want to recruit?

are you an apologist for the left..or just in denial ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

February 16: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department,

March 6 – WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion,[2][8] when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

March 30 – Chicago police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side.

April 1 - Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members.[12] The discover of the WUO weapons cache ends WUO activity in this city.

noted... Weatherman had bomb factories in middle of apartment complex, where people lived... no concern over anyone.

June 6 – In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice,

July 28 - Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM. WUO claims responsibility.

October 8 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse.

October 11 - A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed. An estimated 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite are used.

noted : public building (City Hall, Courts, Banks, Parks, Businesses) where everyday people meet to do business and their daily affairs. Bombers walking around dozen sticks of dynamite ready to explode.

Can you even compare some anti-abortionist violence to the mass bombings and killings committed by the left wing terrorist week after week year in year out.

Do you know what it is to even have bomb scares/drills ?

May 19th Communist Organization

M19CO committed the acts listed below. From 1982 to 1985 it committed a series of bombings, including bombings of the National War College, the Washington Navy Yard Computing Center, the Israeli Aircraft Industries Building, New York City's South African consulate, the Washington Navy Yard Officers' Club, New York City's Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, and the United States Capitol Building. Three officers were killed during the Brinks Robbery, but no one was injured or killed in their bombings.[5] Almost all the M19CO members were all convicted in a US Court of Law for these offenses, but Elizabeth Ann Duke remains at large.

In 1981 Weather Underground members Kathy Boudin, Judith Alice Clark, and David Gilbert, together with several members of the Black Liberation Army, participated in a robbery of a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York. Upon her arrest Boudin was identified as a member of the May 19 Communist Organization. Three officers were killed.

Jan. 28, 1983, M19CO bombed the federal building on Staten Island, N.Y.

April 25, 1983, they were responsible for a bombing at the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C.

November 7th, 1983 US Senate Bombing

August 18, 1983 bombed Washington Navy Yard Computer Center

April 5, 1984 Bombed the Israeli Aircraft Industries Building

April 20, 1984 bombing at the Washington Navy Yard Officers Club

On November 3, 1984, two members of the M19CO, Susan Rosenberg and Timothy Blunk, were arrested at a mini-warehouse they had rented in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Police recovered more than 100 blasting caps, nearly 200 sticks of dynamite, more than 100 cartridges of gel explosive, and 24 bags of blasting agent from the warehouse.

September 26, 1984 bombed the South African consulate

The M19CO alliance’s last bombing was on February 23, 1985, at the Policemen’s Benevolent Association in New York City.

By May 23, 1985 all members of the group had been arrested, with the exception of Elizabeth Duke, who remains a fugitive. At a 1986 trial, group members Laura Whitehorn, Timothy Blunk, Alan Berkman, Susan Rosenberg, Marilyn Buck and Linda Evans were tried and convicted of multiple counts of domestic terrorism in the Resistance Conspiracy case. The Black Liberation Army members; including Jeral Wayne Williams (aka Mutulu Shakur), Donald Weems (aka Kuwasi Balagoon), Samuel Smith, Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga), Cecilio "Chui" Ferguson, Samuel Brown (aka Solomon Bouines) were also all eventually captured by 1986 and sentenced to long prison terms.

thunderlips11 says

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades, and not one against the general public. I think the last one was MOVE in Philly, and actually, the bomb was dropped on them.

You're wasting your keystrokes.

Thomas Wong is communicating through time warp, and see Reds behind every bush. Undoubtedly next he'll link it all back to Mikhail Gorbachev.

Vicente says

Thomas Wong is communicating through time warp, and see Reds behind every bush. Undoubtedly next he'll link it all back to Mikhail Gorbachev.

If it means anything to you, any attack by a anti-abortionist should be equally treated and justice handed down ... be it prison or death penalty.

But dont waste my time comparing one or two individuals with organized fanatics willing and able to carry out terrorist acts on behalf of foreign government at war with the USA and its Citizens from California to Maine to Seattle and Miami.

And today, the Weatherman co-founder Bill Avers makes no apologies for the bombing he committed decades ago.. bombings you saw this week. Perhaps he may well be the only one who will sympathize with the Boston bombers.

thomaswong.1986 says

Bill Avers makes no apologies for the bombing he committed decades ago.. bombings you saw this week.

God, wouldn't that be a great interview? What would Bill Ayers say about this bombing. He still justifies his bombings in the 60s. I am sure this Boston bomber feels just as compassion as Bill did.

CaptainShuddup says

Homeboy says

Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

Sure it would, it's not like there's NOT any reason to think a White guy would never do something like this. The Atlanta Olympics bomber, and the Oklahoma City bomber were both white after all.

Yes, that is the logic of the situation. However, the fact remains that the guy who got tackled by the crowd and questioned by the police was Arab. My point was that many Americans, and apparently the police, do not behave logically.

https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ

I see a white woman running away from the explosion in this video. Funny thing, though - she isn't getting tackled by anyone.

thunderlips11 says

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades, and not one against the general public. I think the last one was MOVE in Philly, and actually, the bomb was dropped on them.

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/nov/20/local/me-guzzler20

thomaswong.1986 says

are you an apologist for the left..or just in denial ?

Let's try this again:

thunderlips11 says

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades

The Weathermen and the May 19th Org haven't been active in decades. You tried to be clever by removing the dates and only giving the Month and Date. Those actions were all from 1970, the year the Beatles were still together. The last action on your link was 1987. That was 25+ years ago when episodes of ALF were still being produced and Bon Jovi was a hot new band.

You will also notice the Weathermen didn't bomb the Mr. Olympia Contest, or the Olympic Swim Trials or anything else that attracts a general audience. Their targets are all government buildings, particularly military ones.

Vicente says

Thomas Wong is communicating through time warp, and see Reds behind every bush. Undoubtedly next he'll link it all back to Mikhail Gorbachev.

Ha, you're probably right. You'd think the OKC Bombing never happened.

Homeboy says

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/nov/20/local/me-guzzler20

How many people did he kill? Did he firebomb a gathering of the general public?

I don't think that property crimes are the same as bombing a random group of people at a non-political, non-military event.

thunderlips11 says

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades, and not one against the general public. I think the last one was MOVE in Philly, and actually, the bomb was dropped on them.

I remember that bombing. That bastard Wilson Goode still has not been brought to justice. He's a real terrorist and he murdered six adults and five children. And since there are no statue of limitations on murder, he should be brought to justice. That fact that he remains free demonstrates just how full of bullshit our legal system is.

Goode should be behind bars. Bradley Manning should not.

Dan8267 says

Goode should be behind bars. Bradley Manning should not.

Right on. Manning is a hero. Also believe scores of people were left homeless by the bombing. As you say, Goode was never charged, which is just one more brick in the wall every time authority figures pontificate about the rule of law.

Breaking: They have the suspect on tape; AP reports arrest imminent.

Edit: 4Chan members collect video and photos of attendees; compare photographs for clues. Via infowars:
http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/

I don't like the guy in the red shirt under blue jacket holding the bag on his forearm rather than on his back. What do you think?

Suspect now in custody, according to AP and ABC News...

thunderlips11 says

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/

That's kinda scary actually, looking at all these amateurs picking apart photos. Where did they get all the photos anyhow?

thunderlips11 says

How many people did he kill? Did he firebomb a gathering of the general public?

I don't think that property crimes are the same as bombing a random group of people at a non-political, non-military event.

You said you couldn't think of a real leftist bombing in decades. I provided one. I don't recall saying it was exactly the same as the Boston Marathon bombing.

Vicente says

That's kinda scary actually, looking at all these amateurs picking apart photos. Where did they get all the photos anyhow?

Probably from flickr, etc. Looks like they also screenshoted TV footage of camera footage.

Homeboy says

You said you couldn't think of a real leftist bombing in decades.

I think this is quibbling. I think it's pretty obvious what I mean by "Real", ie not a vegetarian/animal rights turd setting off a stink bomb at a research lab.

Here's some right wing terrorist attacks and attempted attacks, from 1995 to the end of 2012. 14 of them just in the past two years. Mostly small groups of militia/white supremacists. I'm curious to see if there are a similar number, or more, left wing ones.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

Vicente says

thunderlips11 says

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/

That's kinda scary actually, looking at all these amateurs picking apart photos. Where did they get all the photos anyhow?

I thought it a little scary to realize how many times your image is captured when in public. That it was the work of "amateurs" didn't alarm me, what is the alternative, "professionals"? Not like they are any more trustworthy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fox-pulls-family-guy-episode-referring-to-deaths-at-boston-marathon-no-plans-to-re-air/2013/04/16/87620160-a6e3-11e2-9e1c-bb0fb0c2edd9_story.html

Fox pulls ‘Family Guy’ episode referring to deaths at Boston Marathon

NEW YORK — Fox has pulled from websites a recent episode of “Family Guy” that depicts mass deaths at the Boston Marathon, and has no immediate plans to air it again.

Fox spokeswoman Gaude Paez said Tuesday the episode has been removed from Fox.com and Hulu.com.

In the episode, protagonist Peter Griffin is asked by sports announcer Bob Costas about his performance at the marathon. A flashback shows Peter mowing down runners with his car.

“I’ll tell ya, Bob, I just got in my car and drove it,” Griffin says. “And when there was a guy in my way, I killed him.”

Later, Peter befriends a terrorist who, unbeknownst to him, is plotting to blow up a bridge. When Peter dials a cellphone the friend has given him, explosions and screams are heard. On some websites, an edited clip has been circulating that fuses the two scenes, making it seem — incorrectly — as if the explosion was at the marathon. Some commenters have implied that the show “predicted” the bombings.

“Family Guy” creator Seth MacFarlane took to Twitter on Tuesday to vent anger over the edited clip and offer condolences to victims of Monday’s bombings at the marathon.

“The edited ‘Family Guy’ clip currently circulating is abhorrent,” MacFarlane tweeted. “The event was a crime and a tragedy, and my thoughts are with the victims.”

http://www.youtube.com/embed/YGk2sGpguKM

thunderlips11 says

I think this is quibbling. I think it's pretty obvious what I mean by "Real", ie not a vegetarian/animal rights turd setting off a stink bomb at a research lab.

It wasn't a "stink bomb", moron. Yeah, something is pretty obvious, but not what you think. I'm a liberal too, but I don't see what purpose it serves to make everything about partisanship.

Homeboy says

It wasn't a "stink bomb", moron. Yeah, something is pretty obvious, but not what you think. I'm a liberal too, but I don't see what purpose it serves to make everything about partisanship.

Sorry dude, one doctor being shot to me counts more than 10,000 hummers going up in smoke.

It's not about partisanship, it's about reality. The reality is, despite nobody being killed by left-wing extremists in 30+ years, there's a false equivalency about left wing terror and right wing terror in the USA being equally likely.

Fiddlesticks! The latter kills a shitload more people, and the number of plots and attacks are increasing over time. The former hardly exists, and confines itself to property damage.

It's like being equally concerned about preventing horse and buggy accidents versus car accidents in these days. The former is so rare (and relatively underpowered where it does exist), it doesn't merit anywhere near the concern of the latter.

It ain't 1970 no more. Now all the violent radicals are on the (religious) right.

BTW, Islamic terrorists are also right wingers, since they want to impose by force a fundamentalist, austere version of Islam.

thunderlips11 says

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/

Now CNN sez they are looking for a guy with a description that matches none of the pictured InfoWars matches:

" The sources identified the person as a man wearing a white baseball cap. One of the sources added that the cap was on backwards and the man was also wearing a light-colored hooded sweatshirt and a black jacket. The second source said investigators have not identified this person."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html?hpt=hp_t1