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The Verdict In The George Zimmerman Case
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2013 Jul 14, 12:28am 34,853 views 201 comments
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Goran_K
2013 Jul 15, 1:57pm
Highly unlikely that Trayvon was attempting to escape at the exact moment the bullet was fired. Maybe he saw the gun for a split second then stopped his assault because he knew his ass was grass, but isn't that a bit too late?
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:00pm
Zimmerman's expert witness saying that Trayvon may have been pulling away from Zimmerman when he was shot -- as was done by Reality.
This is utter BS. Please stop misquoting me.
My apologies.
Were you actually agreeing with me that Trayvon could have been pulling away when he was shot? Because when you said:
Reality says
Yep, the scenario where TM tries to break away from Zim then gets shot is one of the many "likely" scenarios.
That would have the entry and exit wounds on the wrong sides of the body.
That sounded an awful lot to me like you were disagreeing with Zimmerman's expert gunshot witness.
If I was misquoting you please feel free to clarify.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:05pm
Also, Zimmerman also had plenty of chances to "getaway" from Trayvon.
That was part of Zimmerman's story actually, that he was walking back to his car...
Yeah, I know. Zimmerman is a proven liar, and I only believe his story when it can be corroborated with additional evidence.
Do you really think that Zimmerman was going to follow Trayvon down the path to the common back yards, and then turn his back one of those assholes who always get away?
What motivation would Zim have to turn his back? What motivation would TM have to attack unprovoked? It makes no sense. I do understand that sometimes people act in ways that don't make sense, so yeah, maybe it did happen that way. I just don't think it was likely.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:12pm
Highly unlikely that Trayvon was attempting to escape at the exact moment the bullet was fired.
Only if he did not see the gun. I think that it is highly likely for someone to back away when faced with a gun. Often times brandishing a gun is just effective as using one. This is one of the difficulties with trying to measure how effective guns are for self-defense.
Maybe he saw the gun for a split second then stopped his assault because he knew his ass was grass, but isn't that a bit too late?
It would not have to be too late. However, at that point a shooter might not realize that someone is pulling away.
I would start screaming if I was losing a struggle for a gun.
In fact, I have never seen a man scream during a fight.
I am certain now that Martin was the one screaming.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:21pm
I would start screaming if I was losing a struggle for a gun.
Other than Zim's fanciful tail, there is no evidence that there was any struggle over the gun.
I would start screaming if I was losing a struggle for a gun.
Other than Zim's fanciful tail, there is no evidence that there was any struggle over the gun.
Men don't scream when they are fighting. I have seen too many fights.
Martin must have been scared of the gun.
Goran_K
2013 Jul 15, 2:28pm
What motivation would Zim have to turn his back?
Maybe he found where Trayvon was going to, and had an address to give to police like he claimed he was doing.
I'm definitely not going to assume he was hunting black people, he had plenty of opportunities to do that before Trayvon.
Goran_K
2013 Jul 15, 2:30pm
It would not have to be too late. However, at that point a shooter might not realize that someone is pulling away.
Uh, it's too late. You can't beat someone up, and then expect them to have split second decision making ability to not pull the trigger when the gun comes out.
lostand confused
2013 Jul 15, 2:32pm
Uh, it's too late. You can't beat someone up, and then expect them to have
split second decision making ability to not pull the trigger when the gun comes
out.
Wow.
Goran_K
2013 Jul 15, 2:33pm
You're free the test the theory. 9 times out of 10 you end up in a body bag like Trayvon.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:36pm
Maybe he found where Trayvon was going to, and had an address to give to police like he claimed he was doing.
If this was the case it would have been in his statement.
The only reason I see for him turning his back is if he spoke with TM and felt comfortable enough to let him go on his way.
I'm definitely not going to assume he was hunting black people, he had plenty of opportunities to do that before Trayvon.
Highly unlikely he was hunting black people. Also, highly unlikely TM was hunting white people.
lostand confused
2013 Jul 15, 2:36pm
You're free the test the theory. 9 times out of 10 you end up in a body bag like Trayvon.
The murderer claims in his defense that Travon started the fight. Despite the fact, that he was the one following, despite the fact Travon tried to lose him and get away, despite the fact he was an MMA trained guy carrying a gun.
So you think it is just fine he shot a kid under those circumstances. Very interesting.
I would start screaming if I was losing a struggle for a gun.
Other than Zim's fanciful tail, there is no evidence that there was any struggle over the gun.
Zim claimed a struggle over the gun? This proves Martin was screaming. He was terrified of getting shot and losing the struggle over the gun against a much heavier man.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:38pm
It would not have to be too late. However, at that point a shooter might not realize that someone is pulling away.
Uh, it's too late. You can't beat someone up, and then expect them to have split second decision making ability to not pull the trigger when the gun comes out.
Sure, if that is the way it went down. We still only have Zim's questionable word to confirm that story.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 2:40pm
Zim claimed a struggle over the gun? This proves Martin was screaming.
Yes, but none of TM's DNA was anywhere near the gun or holster.
Zim claimed a struggle over the gun? This proves Martin was screaming.
Yes, but none of TM's DNA was anywhere near the gun or holster.
Doesn't matter. TM must have had his arm or hand
Men screaming during a fight is very unusual.
. I have never seen it.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 2:46pm
Why would anyone listen to that 'crazy ass craka'???
"I think George was pretty consistent and told the truth basically," she said."
Y
2013 Jul 15, 2:49pm
No.
He is saying that a person pulling away is reloading their next punch, raising their arm in the air along with their chest.
The "pulling away" theory has no traction.
So TM was not at all running away from GZ
So you are saying that a person doesn't pull away (backwards) before running that they somehow are instantaneously turned around the very instant that they decide to flee ?
Y
2013 Jul 15, 2:51pm
You just nailed most of Marcus's posts.
I do understand that sometimes people act in ways that don't make sense,
Y
2013 Jul 15, 2:54pm
Interesting angle, until you realize zimmerman was getting the shit beat out of him.
If Martin was scared of the gun, the screaming would have sounded something like "He's got a gun!", not what we heard.
Men don't scream when they are fighting. I have seen too many fights.
Martin must have been scared of the gun.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 2:57pm
What 'murderer'?
The murderer claims in his defense that Travon started the fight.
Why would Zimmerman scream for help as he is shooting the guy?
Answer that one.
And Zimmerman was not getting the shit beat out of him.
Interesting angle, until you realize zimmerman was getting the shit beat out of him.
If Martin was scared of the gun, the screaming would have sounded something like "He's got a gun!", not what we heard.
Men don't scream when they are fighting. I have seen too many fights.
Martin must have been scared of the gun.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 3:00pm
He wouldn't.
There was no screaming at the time of the gunshot, and afterwards.
You obviously did not pay attention to the 911 call with the screams and gunshot.
StillLooking says
Why would Zimmerman scream for help as he is shooting the guy?
I just listened to it. There was screaming up until the shot was fired.
He wouldn't.
There was no screaming at the time of the gunshot, and afterwards.
You obviously did not pay attention to the 911 call with the screams and gunshot.
Why would Zimmerman scream for help as he is shooting the guy?
Y
2013 Jul 15, 3:02pm
Rain, coupled with poor police evidence collection.
Zim claimed a struggle over the gun? This proves Martin was screaming.
Yes, but none of TM's DNA was anywhere near the gun or holster.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 3:03pm
Link, please.
I just listened to it. There was screaming up until the shot was fired.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 3:05pm
You might be right. Sometimes the aggressor is the one screaming...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/15/Witness-Baltimore-blacks-beating
So TM was screaming while he was on top of GZ beating the shit out of him...
men don't scream when they get beat up.
The aggressor actually might yell but not help.
You might be right. Sometimes the aggressor is the one screaming...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/15/Witness-Baltimore-blacks-beating
So TM was screaming while he was on top of GZ beating the shit out of him...
men don't scream when they get beat up.
Y
2013 Jul 15, 3:09pm
Why not? You don't think that men can scream?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/u2ni6jGuN70?
men don't scream when they get beat up.
I have never seen a man scream during a fight. It is not likely
Why not? You don't think that men can scream?
?
men don't scream when they get beat up.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 3:13pm
Rain, coupled with poor police evidence collection.
Zim claimed a struggle over the gun? This proves Martin was screaming.
Yes, but none of TM's DNA was anywhere near the gun or holster.
Still = no evidence for a struggle for the gun.
leo707
2013 Jul 15, 3:19pm
Goodnight, I am sure that tomorrow we will solve this case to everyone's satisfaction and agreement -- or maybe sometime next month. Keep up the good sleuthing!
Now, I just hope that all the helicopters flying overhead don't wake my kids.
Then why was Martin yelling for help up until he got shot.
And why would Zimmerman yell for help while he is shooting the guy?
marcus
2013 Jul 15, 4:03pm
You are racist. Why?
If you aren't the nitwit you obviously require everyone to believe you are, then please clearly explain what I have said that makes me a racist. Please explain it in detail, if you can. I say you can not.
Is it that deep down you know that it's your racism that makes you think it's just fine that Zimmerman thought Martin was an asshole that was getting away (because he was a black teenager) and therefore stalked him, provoked a fight and then shot and killed him ?
Also, as a side question, just out of curiosity, are you like Zimmerman, the kind of pussy that would end a fist fight that you provoked and you were losing by shooting the other guy dead ?
I'm not asking you if it's your right. I'm asking you if you are that much of a pussy.
Goran_K
2013 Jul 15, 5:00pm
If this was the case it would have been in his statement.
Umm it was in his statement. He said he was looking for a street or number so he could tell the police where he last saw him (Trayvon).
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I felt sad when I saw the verdict in the George Zimmerman case. I shall speak now as one who attended law school but did not graduate. In almost any legal jurisdiction in the world, if someone shoots an unarmed person, even if that person is a policeman or soldier, the person doing the shooting is in serious trouble. A conviction for manslaughter often follows and one is sent away to jail for some time. I honestly felt that Zimmerman was guilty of terrible bad judgment and such a verdict was warranted.
I feel that the way Florida wrote its definition of self defense tied the hands of the jury and left them with no option but to find Zimmerman not guilty.
This is a sad case where everyone including the taxpayers of the state of Florida lost "big time."
My father had some words of wisdom that apply here as follows: "Son a gun will get you into more trouble than it will ever get you out of."