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When it takes an hour subway ride to commute to your Manhattan job and you pay 2500/mo to rent what amounts to A Compromise, you become mean and lose your looks.
...this just makes me giggle, every time i read it... quoted for truth and giggles...
(and thank you elliemae for your good wishes and others for points to think about... i am still not sure how we will respond to the realtor. it has occurred to me in the last 24 hours that we could just say, "and we look forward to speaking with you when the sellers drop their list price..." but i'm not sure i'm ready to end the conversation just yet... this is so very educational! whee!)
I don't know NY real estate, but I agree with Greg and Mike2. Honey, you're "hostile." Maybe you have a right to be, but nobody wants to work with hostile, and everybody can see hostile coming. Hostile makes everybody unhappy in transactions. More importantly, every Realtor knows that hostile doesn't close transactions. And if the market is as incestuous as you say it is, believe me, your reputation is preceeding you.
Suggestion: take a break. Go on with your life. Prices are not likely to go up in the next year. Then, maybe, if you think you can do it without making everybody, including yourself, miserable, look for a home again.
Honey, you're "hostile."
...and Punkins, you're patronizing. (Hostile? Have you ever even *visited* Queens? I'm being a fuckin' sweet-voiced angel, here.)
I don't know NY real estate, but I agree with Greg and Mike2. Honey, you're "hostile." Maybe you have a right to be, but nobody wants to work with hostile, and everybody can see hostile coming. Hostile makes everybody unhappy in transactions. More importantly, every Realtor knows that hostile doesn't close transactions. And if the market is as incestuous as you say it is, believe me, your reputation is preceeding you.
Suggestion: take a break. Go on with your life. Prices are not likely to go up in the next year. Then, maybe, if you think you can do it without making everybody, including yourself, miserable, look for a home again.
sfvrealestate
If you go around calling every woman you don't know 'Honey' then they have even more reason to be 'hostile'...no wonder women have a hard time dealing with condesending realtors.
Hang in there aliag. I am going through the same crap on the West Coast and getting mighty fed up with realtors. MORE MONEY 'HONEY'!
elliemae
2011 Sep 17, 12:18pm
Honey, you're "hostile."
...and Punkins, you're patronizing.
She forgot to call you sweetie-pie and girlie. The worst offenders are often women, as if having a vagina gives them license to degrade others who have one too.
Then, maybe, if you think you can do it without making everybody, including yourself, miserable, look for a home again.
You're a realtor, right? Realtors are like prostitutes, you hire them to do a job and they'll do anything for that paycheck. If not, find another one that will lie to you and tell you what you want to hear.
(Hostile? Have you ever even *visited* Queens? I'm being a fuckin' sweet-voiced angel, here.)
Do you know how to ask someone in Queens what the time is?
"Excuse me sir, can you tell me what time it is, or shall I go fuck myself?"
- I'll be here all week, try the veal.
She forgot to call you sweetie-pie and girlie.
you're right! i feel improperly chastized and put in my place. i demand a thorough setting-down!
The worst offenders are often women, as if having a vagina gives them license to degrade others who have one too.
Well, to be fair: she's probably gotten what she wanted out of the system (whether that's the real estate system or the patriarchal system). she doesn't understand why I am rocking her comfortable boat. plus, she probably thinks she's getting extra loyalty points agreeing with the privileged while she shoves "her own kind" off the boat.
...Meanwhile, I feel a little uncomfortable that the discussion went from Generic Realtors are Generically Pissing Me Off with their Generic Sales Tactics to "this particular female is particularly offensive to me as a woman..."
I don't know if that's my cultural "nice girl" conditioning or genuine feminist concern that it's become a girl fight. Funny, eh?
(yeah, that's why my stand up career died a quick death a long time ago. try the veal at elliemae's...)
FWIW, an update: Wednesday, the realtor de-listed the property. Coincidentally, that was also when we finally came up with a response we were happy with to the realtor's suggestion we raise our offer. So, after it was de-listed we sent an email saying we thought our offer was fair and was made based on the information we had available. However, if the realtor had more information that she thought was relevant, we were happy to hear it.
I expect the property will get re-listed either with pictures, with a new kitchen and without asbestos, or as a rental. Slight chance it will get re-listed at a lower price, but I am not holding my breath.
elliemae
2011 Sep 18, 2:34am
It'll be interesting to see what happens. Probably new pics, but I'll bet they don't spend much.
This has definitely been one of the better threads in recent memory.
It was, until a realtor reared her head and decided to attack aliag personally. What was particularly hilarious about her post is that she said that no one wants to work with "hostile," but "hostile" money spends the same as any other.
(now i'm imagining dollar bills in combat boots and mohawks, spiking the punch and hitting on all the pretty boys at the party...)
investor90
2011 Sep 18, 8:34am
Thanks for the nice comments. Realtors tell me that I show "NO RESPECT" to the profession. Guess what? THEY ARE CORRECT
LETS STICK TO THE ALL CAPS---blog the REALTOR WAY.
SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS LINK----> http://www.lumbleau.com/ SINCE 1947 they have produced more Realtors than anyone else in their mail order or online "Crash course GUARANTEED TO PASS or your money back!"
Also try YOUTUBE search channel "JIMTHEREALTOR" GOOD FOR laughs when you are looking for some entertainment --- video updates most days. Excellent insiders scoop on lying. He is serious---he thinks he is on "the outside"...but all he does is rat his "team" out.
investor90
2011 Sep 18, 9:15am
HOSTILE! uttered by a REALTOR!!! Most Realtors that I have met have privately admitted they are LYING CHEATING BASTARD's who would cheat their own mother. Besides...if you just listen to one of them yakking away about all the "great features and amenities" of that old 1940 rat trap held together with glue nails and termites...you will hear a SUBTEXT THAT IS ALWAYS IN THE "CONVERSATION" :
Here it is :
CAVEAT EMPTOR! I AM A LIAR you better conduct DUE DILIGENCE---and I WILL LIE EVEN MORE IF I GET CAUGHT.
IT'S CALLED PASSIVE- AGGRESSIVE personality. THIS IS WORSE THAN "HOSTILE"... HOSTILE implies anger---emotion upset.
PSYCHOPATHS are DEADLY...it is alligator smiles, OPTIMISM spelled
F A N T A S Y L A N D . PONZI --- LIES AND MORE LIES.
REALTORS---" Characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others, and are responsible for our housing crisis viua hyped house prices by people who "qualified" without underwriting. Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as normal people by feigning emotions and lying about their pasts. YES! LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.
FortWayne
2011 Sep 19, 2:46am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE
(Barney Frank, "What Housing Bubble?")
Truthplease
2011 Sep 19, 6:09am
A man's word meant something and now we just sputter out nonsense like Barney Frank has done many times in the past.
Update: Just got a call from realtor. Price reduced. If I hadn't shifted my obsession from Real Estate to the Wall Street Protestors (they are adorable and I love them and I've been feeding them for over a week and if anyone has questions about them and their adorableness I am happy to comment more but I don't want to spam, either....), I might be dancing even more in my seat. As it is: *jazz hands*
There's no such thing as an "offer email". An offer is a legal contract, signed by you as the potential buyer, which may then be signed by the seller.
An offer and a contract are two different 'events'. While the 'Final' legal expression of the transation (Contract) per Common Law are required to be written, offers/counter offers/advertising/expressing of interest can be verbal or written... email, phone, face to face, etc etc.
Written communcation is verbal, too, unless you are communicating with symbols. You mean oral.
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(I just drank a pear cider (*hic*) so I apologize in advance, but...)
Part One: I have been waiting, patiently, saving up my 20%. I've been good. I've played by the rules. I made an offer on a house. Four weeks ago. The realtor isn't returning my calls. (Ok, so it was a lowball-- but lord have mercy-- I am not buying "potential"... I am spending the next 30 years of my husband's working life on a roof and some windows and some walls that haven't been painted in a hundred years, as far as I can tell... and do not tell me that it is a legal two family-- the second kitchen was ripped out and never replaced, the wiring all goes into one meter... I would have to go into even *more* debt to make it worth what you want me to pay now. Plus, you raised the asking price by 50k after you listed it. Who in their fucking right minds RAISES THE LIST PRICE... "in this economy"(tm)?!...)
Part Two: So last night I see a new listing; the house is in better condition, better location, and lower priced-- i wouldn't need to lowball it to offer a reasonable amount. I contact the broker, who isn't actually listed by name.
Today I hear back from the broker! It is the same realtor that isn't answering my offer email! With a generic "this house has been sold, but I look forward to talking to you about your needs and finding you another property..." note! Flocking joy and wassername! Clearly you are a lying cuntmuffin (pardon my anglo saxon), because you *aren't* interested in talking to me.
God damn it. Seriously. I am about ready to take my down payment and buy art or something that takes up less head space than a mortgage and is at least pretty to look at...
When I go to the theater, I accept that I am being bamboozled, lied to, invited to live in cloud palaces and then be told, with a sigh, that it was all a dream. We're all in on it, and I am willing to suspend my disbelief to be part of the spectacle. We're all in on it, is the key, and we're all getting something of value from it.
But this housebuying smitchfest... this is being told to spent $699000 or my children will be Doomed (doomed I tell you) to never... whatever golden dream having a mortgage gets them... and it seems like Everyone Else in my life is shaking their heads and telling me I'm nuts if I don't do this risky thing... not risky but with potentially high rewards, risky that there will be no reward at all...
...I say that glibly, but I was (briefly but memorably) homeless as a kid because my parents got kicked out of our apartment and weren't mentally sound enough to find another one... so I take aspersions on my sanity as potentially valid concerns.
I could really use some reassurance that the realtors are bastards, that I am neither too mean nor too nice, and that it is better not to overpay by 200k than it is to no longer have one's gladiolas mowed over by the landlord's son because he thought they were corn...
*weeps for my gladiolas*
Thanks in advance,
alia in astoria
ps: I did try to work with buyer's brokers, btw. they aren't returning my calls either. maybe it's my colorful language...
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