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bdrasin says

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

Cooking the books by fighting two wars off-budget, is that anything like adding billions in unfinded healthcare entitlements when nearly half the country was against it without specifying any way to pay for it?

If you are talking about what you call "Obamacare", its not off-budget. Just because you don't like it, and even if you don't think the plan to pay for it will work, doesn't make it off budget. Bush didn't even pretend to find a way to pay for Iraq, Afghanistan, or Medicare part D. And you conservatives marched like lemmings to push it through.

This is one of the problems with forums like this. Just because I am against obamacare doesn't mean that I was for Bush and the war in Iraq. Matter of fact, if you had even skimmed my previous post you might get this.

Bush was an out and out moron and puppet. obama is a delegator who still hasn't run anything bigger than midnight basketball.

The office of the president of the United States has been so devalued that nearly any rube with the most funding can win the job with few to no qualifications by merely out lying the other guy.

My worst nightmare is 4 more years of obama followed by 4 years of palin, which by the way is where we are headed given the soft minded electorate who with more information readily at hand has become even less informed than ever before.

Dan8267 says

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

Cooking the books by fighting two wars off-budget, is that anything like adding billions in unfinded healthcare entitlements when nearly half the country was against it without specifying any way to pay for it?

Please explain this to Shrek. Maybe he'll listen to you.

It is impossible to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

My worst nightmare is 4 more years of obama followed by 4 years of palin

I don't think you have anything to worry about with Palin.

What does the Geriatric Old People's Party look for in a female candidate? A 40-ish MILF who can regurgitate the talking points. She's past her "sell by" date as far as GOP wank material, her popularity decline is already evident.

However they'll find someone just as dumb to replace her.

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

This is one of the problems with forums like this. Just because I am against obamacare doesn't mean that I was for Bush and the war in Iraq. Matter of fact, if you had even skimmed my previous post you might get this.

Bush was an out and out moron and puppet. obama is a delegator who still hasn't run anything bigger than midnight basketball.

The office of the president of the United States has been so devalued that nearly any rube with the most funding can win the job with few to no qualifications by merely out lying the other guy.

My worst nightmare is 4 more years of obama followed by 4 years of palin, which by the way is where we are headed given the soft minded electorate who with more information readily at hand has become even less informed than ever before.

Around here that's Code for "You're a Republican"

Now either get in line to stand on the soap box to kiss Obamas black ass, or you're full card carrying GOPer. There's no room for nothing else with this lot.

You can tell the liberal patneters they all have chocolate mustaches.

"The Administration deregulated Wall Street to enable a lot of this on the back-end. Pulled FBI resources from financial enforcement to anti-terrorism."

Yes and I actually know FBI agents. Although that is true we also pulled them from looking at organized crime...EVERYTHING was pulled to support anti terrorism. After 9/11 what were we expecting?

"What a crap argument. The anti-war movement wasn't strong enough to stop the war so it's too fucking late now. We were protesting to stop the damage, now the damage has been done so there's no point protesting."

Huh? So if more people die it is fine? So we have to wait for it to reach vietnam levels for people to protest?

"Plus we're out of Iraq for the most part."
Yeah and "A slight case of overbombing" is acceptable.
44,000 troops is still pretty significant..and it looks like it's now a permanent military base.

"Afghanistan is a different war and is harder to get out. If we keep fucking things up there protests will happen again, but there is a timetable to disengage and that keeps most people happy."

We went into Afghanistan to get OBL...we asked the Taliban to turn him over, they refused. OBL is dead..mission accomplished..can we go home now? We cannot realistically put in a government in place when they haven't had a central government in 30 years. It relies on opium for funds and there are no other cash crops. We have sanctions on Iran and Pakistan isn't exactly the land of milk and honey.

"That's some industrial-grade bullshit right there. Don't tell me how to think, clown."

I don't tell you how to think man. Your ethics are poor that's all I'm saying.

How is Obama that much different than Bush at this point? Obama won the primary because he voted against Iraq and Hillary didn't. But even after being in office we are STILL in Iraq. He STILL has not explained what exactly we are doing in Afghanistan after we killed OBL. Building a democracy? A republic?

Outside of Japan and Germany how many countries has the USA molded into stable and free governments? How did Panama go? Lebanon? Kosovo? Iran? Cuba? Vietnam? Russia? The military is great in defeating an enemy..and we did and he's dead. But the military is not police and to suggest that we have to be the police in other countries is far too much of a leap (just read Ron Pauls materials)

This whole do as I say not as I do doesn't go well. This isn't the first time we've reached a task only to find out that something drags us in further.

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

Dan8267 says

TheLastGoodIdeablogspotcom says

Cooking the books by fighting two wars off-budget, is that anything like adding billions in unfinded healthcare entitlements when nearly half the country was against it without specifying any way to pay for it?

Please explain this to Shrek. Maybe he'll listen to you.

It is impossible to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Touché

Vicente says

A 40-ish MILF who can regurgitate the talking points.

I never got why people consider Palin or Bachmann to be MILFs. They are not the least bit good looking. Maybe it's because I just don't go for that over-22 look.

Dan8267 says

I never got why people consider Palin or Bachmann to be MILFs. They are not the least bit good looking. Maybe it's because I just don't go for that over-22 look.

Well, see, I sort of understand the thinking here, as someone who grew up in the South. Women back there are more likely to use tons and tons of makeup, basically using tons of face powder and stuff like that, craploads of hair spray, have dated hair styles, and so on. Men there sort of go for that kind of thing. Its ok for me to say these things since these are "my people".

The only thing I'd have to say about Palin is this. Read the book Game Change. It basically illustrates much of what happened politically in the spring to fall of 2008. Some of the bits include

- The selection of Palin was not a process well thought out.

- John Edwards relationship with his wife was more rocky than anyone would have thought..there was no real way he could have won

- Obama basically used the Iraq war vote to win the primaries

mdovell says

- The selection of Palin was not a process well thought out.

I would bet any amount of money, that Sarah Palin could fill a room with more people wanting to see her, supporters or otherwise, than any other political figure in America.
That includes Obama him self.

That is unless Obama used promotional tools at his disposal, to fill his room, he does have the federal budget to work with. He could buy an audience.

Tenouncetrout says

I would bet any amount of money, that Sarah Palin could fill a room with more people wanting to see her, supporters or otherwise, than any other political figure in America.
That includes Obama him self.

I'm not sure if that's much of a compliment.

@Dan8267

Thanks for the list (although I think the nearly all Repuplicans would have done the same or worse on at least 9 if not all 10 of these points). I didn't expect Shrekgrinch to come up with the goods.

Let's see. You've been a "long time supporter" of the GOP but you haven't voted for them in the last decade or in 1992. Sounds like a long time!

Not sure why would one support the Dems as they've managed to make the economy worse after wasting trillions of dollars on boondoggles like Solyndra and the other corrupt pork and labor union payout in the "stimulus"

Its pretty clear that Obama is incompetent and in over his head. We have to get rid of him for the sake of the country.

I for one was a democrat and a huge supporter of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Obama had his chance, wasted trillions, and now has no answer on how to create jobs and get the economy moving other than raise taxes. America will be much better off as soon as he can return to the faculty lounge and get out of the White House.

Why are you engaging a troll?

Hell, The Greatest Orator Of All Time added 2.5 trillion dollars to the debt in his first 19 months! http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404

You know what they say, a trillion here, a trilion there, soon you'll be talking real money.

Not sure why this forum would be any different than America. Voters ejected 64 Dem congressman in 2010 and Dems just lost a seat in NY-09 they've held since the 20s. Obviously, a lot of people have stopped supporting the Dems lately, not the GOP.

Oh, I think I did. It just wasn't the answer you wanted.

Then again, with 9.1% unemployment and Obama wracking up multi-trillion dollar debt and Obama at 39%, I suspect you're not going to find many answers you like.

AdmiralAdama says

Not sure why this forum would be any different than America. Voters ejected 64 Dem congressman in 2010 and Dems just lost a seat in NY-09 they've held since the 20s. Obviously, a lot of people have stopped supporting the Dems lately, not the GOP.

Don't forget that the depression and the citizens united case and unprecedented money backing teabagger wackos in 2010 might have been a factor. Add to that the money behind Fox news and talk radio, and their influence and we have nearly a perfect storm set up for a fascist regime to take over or for them to try.

Most hard core or old time right wingers won't see it until it's too late.

YOu might want to try out objectivity rather than just looking for propaganda which says what you wish to be true. (referring to this absurdity: http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404 )