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elliemae says

OTS

Who is OTS?

Sometimes people refer to people from back in the day. Has anyone written a "Brief History of Patrick.net"?

mdovell says

Some might argue that deficit spending pays for itself..Paul Krugman would come to mind. He is now saying it is like 1937 when FDR pulled back.

I don't think any Keynesians say it pays for itself, but rather that it is the most affordable and only way to grow your way out of this. They aren't in love with the idea of borrowing, not like the right is on tax cuts. Krugman wouldn't ask for borrowing in good times, but there is no situation that can't be resolved, or improved by tax cuts for the opposition.

mdovell says

Sometimes people in power change stances. Ted Kennedy was actually prochoice prior to roe vs wade. He had to change his mind to get reelected.

Kennedy was pro-choice after Roe too. I assume you mean that he was personally opposed to abortion as a Catholic, and later became a staunch defender of a woman's right to choose.

This is, of course, a sticky point. I think many could be personally opposed to the practice, but believe firmly that in a free society that that decision should be between a woman and her doctor.

Much as the libertarian wing of the Republicans should be, and used to be, regarding gay rights and gays in the military. While they might be opposed to the practice, they recognize the inherent right of the other in society to have their own individual compass. Goldwater said, "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight"

At least, there used to be a belief that keeping the government out of my bedroom, or my doctor's office was good for everyone. When the Right took on water with the social conservatives, they adopted their authoritarian viewpoints, and abandoned that wing.

OTS = "On the Sidelines"

someone who started posting on the site pretending he was "waiting on the sidelines to buy" It was soon exposed that he was either a realtor or someone who was underwater. He managed to antagonize pretty much everyone from our favorite Ducky to Patrick

Did I threaten him? no. Did I call him names? no. End of discussion.

I'm from the fucking Bronx, this is how we fucking talk.

Larry stuck his nose in a privately run blog site and predicted its "doom" (one can consider that a threat). I have no idea why you are defending him.

Serpentor says

I'm from the fucking Bronx, this is how we fucking talk.

Reminds me of the 2 NYC jokes I know:

Q: How do you ask someone from NYC what time it is?
A: "Excuse me sir, can you tell me what time it is, or shall I go fuck myself?"

The Brooklyn Alphabet:
Fucking A... Fucking B... Fucking C... etc.

Sorry to derail, but I never resist the opportunity to insert a joke.

-ellie

Most importantly..

I'd rather be a TEA-bag than a FLEA-bag.

Big_Brain says

More people, in this country, are conservative than liberal because most people understand that liberalism is a mental disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders

I've searched, but can't find Liberalism. Maybe in the DMS-V, due out in 2013...

There can be strong differences between what a party says, what the local climate can be and what someone personally believes.

GHW Bush slammed Reagan calling his plans voodoo economics but then he was the vice president under him for eight years.

Gun control as an issue is largely associated with the left but might only be a selling point in local politics in Chicago and DC. In Vermont it won't get anyone anywhere (they have the most lax laws in the country).

There are various influences that are hard to ignore. The Daile's in Chicago, DuPont in Deleware, Mormons in Utah, oil in the Gulf Coast, P&G in Cinncinatti..heck the military in any town/city that hosts a base. Everything is a special interest as there is no general interest.

ahhh......politics. name calling and swearing. way to keep it civil and intelligent folks. for the record, and to the right wingers here, who seem to be terribly offended......remember, it's still a free country. leave the site, and don't come back. to the liberals who sunk to this level of "debate"....i don't understand why you get so worked up over conservative rhetoric. this nation is great because we all have the right to our beliefs and opinions. what sucks about that is that most of us have to bicker like children over those beliefs. for the record, this is patrick's site and he can run it how he'd like.....and the beauty of this nation is that if you think you can do better, then you can go run your own site. god bless all of you and have a fantastic day!!!!!

elliemae says

Serpentor says

I'm from the fucking Bronx, this is how we fucking talk.

Reminds me of the 2 NYC jokes I know:

Q: How do you ask someone from NYC what time it is?

A: "Excuse me sir, can you tell me what time it is, or shall I go fuck myself?"

The Brooklyn Alphabet:

Fucking A... Fucking B... Fucking C... etc.

Sorry to derail, but I never resist the opportunity to insert a joke.

I love a good joke too, so here's another on the same topic. Hopefully it can defuse all the political foodfighting going on, too.

How do you perform CPR in New York City?
"Get up! Get up! You want to fucking DIE?"

I love this thread.
folks left and right need to come to this site ready to admit that the folks f*cking them don't really give a shit about their politics. just keep paying and keep arguing.

debt is slavery. and the folks helping to put you there don't give a shit who you vote for or what news channel you watch.