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Again, I'm ignorant of the significance of the 53%... but I am curious, why are about 50% of the subjects of this website prior service members?

I wonder why 53 exactly?

And of course farming in the US has no socialist supports right?

Maybe the whole thing is a gag and the submitters don't see that.

terriDeaner says

why are about 50% of the subjects of this website prior service members?

Because, while they chose a path that provides may opportunities through socialized services they feel entitled to those services because they "earned" them. They somehow fail to see how these services --along with their hard work-- that helped them to succeed are socialized.

Might as well forget about asking them to make the leap to understanding that others, who work hard, may benefit from non-military social programs to help push their success over the top.

leoj707 says

Because, while they chose a path that provides may opportunities through socialized services

Yeah, that's why they do it.... (sarcasm)

leoj707 says

they feel entitled to those services because they "earned" them.

Tell that to the 21 year old wife/husband with kids who has to take care of her disabled husband who is now incapable of cleaning his own ass after an IED went off next to him/her.

leoj707 says

They somehow fail to see how these services --along with their hard work-- that helped them to succeed are socialized.

Sure, some people in the military fail to connect those two points together. I do not. I have experienced socialized medicine in the military and you don't want to know how many times I have seen the doctors screw up someones surgery. The military member has no recourse when this happens. Not the best service system, but everyone is covered.

You don't make your point very well since the military member doesn't set policy. If you are mad at someone, look up your politician. Don't take it out on the military members.

terriDeaner says

I'm ignorant of the significance of the 53%

I think 53% refers to the number of people that pay taxes. I believe the assumption is that 47% don't pay any federal income taxes.

Really, the only fair tax is everyone pays the same amount but I'll go for the socialistic idea that everyone pays the same percentage.

Truthplease says

leoj707 says

Because, while they chose a path that provides may opportunities through socialized services

Yeah, that's why they do it.... (sarcasm)

People join the military for all sorts of reasons, and yes some people do join just for the socialized benefits, in-fact I remember the military used to advertise that as a reason to join. Do you notice how recruitment gets much harder when people might actually have to go to war? However, regardless of reason for joining they all get the benefits of the socialist programs.

Truthplease says

Sure, some people in the military fail to connect those two points together.

Yes, and that was what I was pointing out. It is silly for people --military or not-- to act like they are "self-made men" when they have received so much support and "help" from the larger society around them.

Truthplease says

I do not.

Nor to I.

Truthplease says

You don't make your point very well since the military member doesn't set policy. If you are mad at someone, look up your politician. Don't take it out on the military members.

Perhaps I did not make my point very well if your take away was that I was mad at military members. I am not angry that military members get the services that they do; in fact I think that they should be getting better care than they are.

I am disappointed in certain military members who unwittingly benefited from "socialism", and then want to deny similar social support to other Americans. I am angry at the aristocracy in this country --out politicians included-- who have steered the system in it's current direction.

Truthplease says

leoj707 says

they feel entitled to those services because they "earned" them.

Tell that to the 21 year old wife/husband with kids who has to take care of her disabled husband who is now incapable of cleaning his own ass after an IED went off next to him/her.

While I have not been in the military, not long after 9/11 I worked several years for a defense contractor on a project where one benefit was an actual measurable impact in reducing IEDs. I did do some work on military bases, and using my skill set I was, in some small way, trying to make the jobs of our service men safer and easier.

So, yes I would tell the 21 year old spouse that they are entitled to and deserve socialized support in caring for their loved one. I would also tell the same thing to the spouse of a Caltrans worker who was hit on the job, or a spouse of a factory worker that got injured in an industrial accident. I am not opposed to the care, I am just opposed to the attitude that the "53%" seem to have towards the care.

Haw... Darth Vader! Nice one Vincente. Funny how quickly the back-and-forth goes in this modern internet era...

leoj707 says

I am disappointed in certain military members who unwittingly benefited from "socialism", and then want to deny similar social support to other Americans. I am angry at the aristocracy in this country --out politicians included-- who have steered the system in it's current direction.

F'ing A Bubba.

It's like a step towards feudalism. Here's the warrior class, they get all kinds of promises, the rest of you can suck it. It's a sop the politicians throw to avoid possible coup also, see the "Bonus March" incident. I wouldn't mind it quite so much if the politicians who seem to wrap themselves up so much in "support the troops" actually all had children on the front lines somewhere, or had served themselves. And don't get me started on the pension and medical plans that Congress gets. See WE have socialism because we know how to use it responsibly, YOU cannot handle it so DENIED!

THose who benefit the most from Socialism are the ones who want to stop Socialism. Take Michelle Bachmann. Her husband's ex gay therapy clinic gets Medicaid payments. She gets a Congressional salary of $175,000. And she earns income from a relative's farm that got over $250,000 in farm subsidies. (She does not own the farm, but she did claim income from it in her congressional disclosure form).

Rand Paul is another example. He touts his support of the free market. But, when he was a doctor, 50% of his patients had Medicare.

And another little known fact is that, for govt. jobs, vets get a 5-10 point prefence. I can't even count the number of jobs I did not get after losing out to vets. I'm not against vet prefence. But don't use your vet prefence and then tell us non-vets to go suck it and stop whining.