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I think he's a nice guy myself as a person. I don't respect the title of "President" at all no matter who has it. That "title" derives its respect in a sly way from Christian writings or any "title" of a person that is supposed to be the "authority".

Its like Officer "Doughnut hole". Hes got 15 other buddies riding around in cars with guns and a radio. They can convene on someone very quickly and wrestle them to the ground. It means nothing. They have no authority. What they have is "muscle". After all you wouldn't fuck with the Hell's Angels either.

There is no "authority". No one believes that the earth takes care of these things. Than again no one in in "our" society gives a flying fuck about the earth. The earth and the "things of it". What they do. What they do for you. Is something the "Debt merchant" information outlets treats like its information for a 4 year old.

People wonder why their lives are so "fucked up". They wonder why they are stressed every waking hour. Why everything is such a fucking mess in their lives with no end. Sure there are "good month" but MoFO's you just know the bad stuff is on the way.

A lot that of it is being plain stupid about what is being "ripped" out of the ground. Never being taught in any class you "ever" went to about "any" of the things of the earth and what they do. On there own. Without being "fucked with". That stuff they are ripping out of the ground keeps things in line.

Heres one example 35,000 auto deaths a year. Now they aren't telling you much. Deal is ripping iron out of the ground. The "seperation" used to create steal. Iron is very dangerous stuff. To begin with. They know that. They aren't telling you that of course. Iron "does" something in the earth. Its not supposed to mined and used in these ways. See. You have absoulutly no understanding of what is being said. Because you have absoulutly no knowledge of what Iron does in the earth. IRON actually "protects" you. Ripped out of the earth used an object moving at a high rate of speed is dangerous. Not to mention the guns, bullets, cannons, mortars, land mines. etc. See its ignorance of what it actually does on its own without being messed with. I'll leave it there. See if you can discover what iron actually does in the earth. Your going to have a really hard time. Because this is a society made "ignorant" by taking them through school and not teaching them one fucking thing of any fucking use. Except to be used by others.

You pay for 30 years on a house that took 3 months to build. Most people live in those kind of 3 bedroom houses. Someone that would do that to you isn't your fucking friend. In fact its a malicious thing to do to a person. Simple enough to see. Then your made confused enough to do something like that. They think your stupid for doing it to. Stay away from me. Cause I don't need someone that dense around me. They aren't telling you things in your little schoolie about a lot of stuff. Thats obvious. Take some time to learn it on your own. You just may wind up having a "nice life" instead of being someones "debt slave" or someones "lackey" and pretending to like it, those things just aren't a natural life. In short, DON'T BE SOMEONES FOOL.

fatrick says

There is no resource exploitation allowed here in Alaska, unless it is by a Canadian firm.

I don't think that's true. Do you have any evidence for that?

fatrick says

You all want to lie about and get Government checks.

Isn't Alaska the one state where everyone actually does get government checks?

fatrick says

I don't want to live in Hugo Chavez style United States, nor do I wish to be like the Europeans.

In what way is Obama like Chavez? And you don't want the higher incomes, more job security, and better health care that they have in Germany?

fatrick says

I don't know of anyone who hates President Obama for his mixed race, Afro-American ethnic

Unless you come up with some specific reasons, my conclusion has to be that you too hate him simply because he's black.

Here are my reasons for disliking Obama:

* He continued Bush's policy of taxing the middle class at much higher tax rates than the 1%.
* He continued the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and didn't close Guantanamo.
* His cabinet is full of Wall Streeters.
* He signed the NDAA.

* He sold us out to the insurance companies, making it mandatory to pay the insurance cartel unlimited premiums.

So you can see that Obama is actually just running Bush's third term for him.

I don't hate him. But I do think he was responsible for a lot of corrupt government spending with no oversight, like Carter.

And let's be realistic, Democrats screwed up. They were spending like drunken sailors when they swept into power in 08, so Obama doesn't get all the blame there, entire party does.

So you can see that Obama is actually just running Bush's third term for him.

Every one of them is "Bush" running for his third term. The ignorance is astounding. You would think the guy would be "liberal" with sweeping changes. It NEVER EVER WORKED LIKE THAT. I gave up at Clinton. I said to myself. Its all just fuckin business bullshit. Nothing to do with me. So I stopped voting. That was at Bush 1. 41 or 69 or whatever they called him. When I gave up on all of that. Then actually started doing well in my life. I never believed in it again. Or Merica. The United gates or whatever you want to call it. I pledged allegence to the "gag" because it was one more brief moment I did not have to do school work. I never paid attention in school. Learned how to add, subtract - some english. I chased girls, drank beer, smoked pot sports were ok. Was indoctinated into the biggest "user" system to ever hit the planet. If you want to be someones piss boy (you get to empty the pan when your boss wants) its a great place to believe in. Took me close to 18 years to get over. Finally figuring out small change and fixed salaries and working for someone is really fucking stupid. Got into where large amounts of "paper" really were. With no one to stop me or tell me what to do or what not to do. I never "dawns" on many people. Its just paper. Not an asset. Some hold "paper" in high esteem (its even biblical folks). Never realizing it you can't eat it live in it or does it have much use as it is. They picked the easiest thing to make in mass quantity and made it the only legal means of trade. Its a swindlers game is what "paper" really is. Once you "get" that its a swindel. You know to concentrate on the "asset" NOT the paper.

Too smart to go for the "swindel". I got into real estate. Cause simply it's bails of paper. So I beat the swindlers. With the rules they had written for the game. Paper became no big deal. The asset (like your house which you think is a big deal) Became everything. If you concentrate on the "paper" in your life your a mark and you are going to loose. A lot of people just won't figure another way. They don't figure they are only in debt letting swindlers use "paper" to measure their time and labor. Its a colossal rip off. The "paper" is simply a "fixed" measurement of your time and labor. Which means they can adjust that measurement for however long they want your labor just so you can get food. Which is really fucking easy to grow. So basically your bowing and scraping giving them all your time for food and shelter is what it comes out to be.

Honest Abe says

He's the consumate poster boy (poster guy, poster man, posterperson, poster image...screw political correctness - poster boy!) for the "Joker"

This is a guy who tells us over and over in another thread how "color blind" he is.

Amazing. AS if someone was going to give him a hard time for using the word boy in that context. As if it would even occur to anyone else but him.

Because he lies like a rug.
Because he is Bush 2.0.
Because he gives Comedy Central style monologues while he chastises half of the nation.
Because he's a disingenuous douche bag.
Because he has the innate ability to change the rules for his rich buddies, that are detrimental to our democracy and competitiveness of small business, but his hands are always tied for the touchy feely things he promised his Changebots.

People have plenty of reasons, just the Liberals don't want to listen.

TPB says

Because he lies like a rug.
Because he is Bush 2.0.
Because he gives Comedy Central style monologues while he chastises half of the nation.
Because he's a disingenuous douche bag.

This sounds like a lot of...

Just they hate him because... well, you know.

TPB says

Because he has the innate ability to change the rules for his rich buddies, that are detrimental to our democracy and competitiveness of small business

Could you be more specific about this? You have any particular rules in mind?

it's because he's black...duh...

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

Funny how the Obama haters can't say exactly why they hate him

So true, except for us rare independents. I hate Obama for the exact same reasons I hate Bush. The exact same reasons.

Honest Abe says

Because he's fundamentally changing America for the worst.

Correction: because he's fundamentally staying the course America for the worst.

TPB says

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

William E Baughb

The USA Patriot Act could be used to suspend elections in an emergency, where emergency is defined at the sole discretion of the president. Pretty much, the president can do anything under the USA Patriot Act.

Of course, Republicans are mostly responsible for that act.

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

Dan8267 says

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

Hate for Obama is something they can't explain by anything Obama has done or not done.
Just they hate him because... well, you know.

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama.. but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

And you ask, why does Patrick feel some hate Obama?
This is a rather strange question.

Father Flagler (Radical racist advocating black liberation theology)

William Ayers (anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)

Reverend Wright (race baiting spiritual mentor who espouses black liberation theology and was his paster for 20 years, baptizing his children and conducting his marraige ceremony)

Saul Alinsky (mentor, author of Rules for Radicals, an anti-american instruction book in which he dedicated to satan)

thomas.wong1986 says

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

Still claiming to not be a racist?

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

Only one of those people on your list is even someone that you could say had any influence on the man, and the only things you know about him are a few controversial out-of-context video clips that were used to attempt to harm Obama in the 2008 election.

And the funny thing about that one person is that the "controversial" stuff that he said would be completely agreed upon by most of the Obama haters if it came out of the mouth of a white conservative. It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

wthrfrk80 says

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

using email at work answering 100+ messages a day for 25+ years and than at home and now on my cell phone does that to you.. your spelling/grammer takes a hit but its ok...

Kevin says

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

nazis today hail hitler everday, none ever met or spoke to hitler ever in their life. Obama was heavily influences by Saul Alinsky.
The other 3 are nut cases and have connections with then community organizer Obama.

Kevin says

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

white, black, asian.. they can all be blind racist drones..

Whats racist... Derrick Bell
“I Live to Harass White Folks"
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http://www.youtube.com/embed/e56k3ZvLYxU

Kevin says

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

thomas.wong1986 says

Kevin says

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Honest Abe says

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

Absolutely nothing. Which is one of many reasons why Obama is a terrible president.

The Republicans could take advantage of this if it weren't for the fact that they are for all the same bad policies as Obama.

thomas.wong1986 says

Dan8267 says

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

You don't have to be important to have your rights trampled on, to be tortured, falsely imprisoned, or executed. Just ask the Uighurs. Just ask Rodney King.

Just ask Abner Louima, the innocent nobody who was tortured and raped by police including having a plunger put up his ass literally. And for what? The police mistakenly identified him for some guy who got in a street fight outside of a nightclub.

If you think you are safe because you are a nobody, you're dumber than you sound. You are not safe because you are a nobody. People who are connected to power and wealth are safe. Nobodies like you and me are not.

Furthermore, more people have died from Stalin and Hitler each than have died from all the criminals and all the terrorists in all of history combined. The power of the state to do evil is far greater than the power of terrorists. You are far more likely to be killed by your own government than by some terrorist.

thomas.wong1986 says

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

FortWayne says

Why did so fiscally responsible Obama reappoint all the same people back that caused the financial collapse in the first place? The only person that was let go was Greenspan, and that was before Obama even took the office.

Simple: Obama is not fiscally responsible. Even when Greenspan left, of his own accord, he was replaced with Bernake, who is even worse.

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

No Name calling, and no low blow by talking unsubstantiated GOP talking points. I will list a fact a day in this very thread. Or I will start a new one if this one is gone.

TPB says

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

Why wait? I've listed plenty of reasons to dislike, even hate, Obama.

I wonder, however, are your reasons going to be important ones, and if so, won't they also apply to the vast majority of Republicans? After all, Obama is more of a Republican than a Democrat in policy. He's more like Bush than he's like Ted Kennedy by far. Hell, he's more like Bush than he's like Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Hell, he's more like Bush than that guy on SNL who impersonates him.

Dan8267 says

thomas.wong1986 says

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

Kevin says

People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

There's a big difference between "always doing the morally right thing even when it's dangerous" versus "fuck all human rights, I'll kill anyone who looks funny to me". It's a false dichotomy to say either you have to abandon human rights, habeas corpus, and rule of law or you have to let the terrorists will win.

Today is the safest time in all of human existence. You are less likely to be murdered than at any other time in the past 200,000 years. But if you are murdered, it's far more likely to be your government doing the evil deed than a terrorist.

Kevin says

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

Kevin says

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

Sad. But true.

Dan8267 says

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

* And even that also happened. Kent State anyone?

Dan8267 says

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

We should also not be bringing hyperbole here. What government actions are being done for the sole purpose of frightening people into meeting some demand or changing their way of life?

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable. From the treatment of native americans, to the civil war, to blacks, to unions, to student protestors, to war protestors, there's plenty of history of our own government doing shitty things.

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done. Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

The only thing that's going to get the government to stop doing these horrible things is for the citizens to stand up and say that it's wrong. When a strong majority of people believe that it's OK to shoot anyone that is identified as a possible terrorist threat, you should be happy that we're at least still respecting the constitution when on american soil.

Kevin says

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

You pulled that out of your ass, not out of my philosophy. Try again.

My only point is that none of the prior administrations had gone to the extreme level of evil that the current and past one did. Therefore, you are incorrect in concluding that this level of evil is necessary to combat terrorism or ensure national security. Your statement is empirically false.

Any conclusion beyond that is your assertion, not mine.

Kevin says

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

Kennedy and Eisenhower certainly would not. And as for Carter, not killing innocents hardly makes one a pussy.

Kevin says

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

Then the Constitution shouldn't be suspended during this period of indefinite war.

Kevin says

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable.

Gitmo, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, government stating that assassination of U.S. citizens is legal are all new in American history. So yes, our government has become materially worse in the past 12 years.

Kevin says

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done.

And there you are wrong. There are no fewer than 1 million Americans who would have done a better and more ethical job than Obama, and that's an extremely conservative estimate.

Kevin says

Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

Except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nadar. And if people voted for these two instead of all the assholes, there would be more people like them in office. Electing people like Elizabeth Warren and William Black would help a lot too.

Kevin says

The only thing that's going to get the government to stop doing these horrible things is for the citizens to stand up and say that it's wrong. When a strong majority of people believe that it's OK to shoot anyone that is identified as a possible terrorist threat, you should be happy that we're at least still respecting the constitution when on american soil.

And on that, we agree. Well, except that I don't believe "we're" respecting the Constitution on American soil.

The Joker's real persona:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/17/elle-macpherson-loves-obama-i-m-socialist-what-do-you-expect

He wants to fundamentaly destroy American values and substitute the failed policies of redistribution, when it was free enterprise that made America great in the first place.

Free enterprise = America, USA
Redistribution = Amerika, USSA

Honest Abe says

He wants to fundamentaly destroy American values and substitute the failed policies of redistribution, when it was free enterprise that made America great in the first place.
Free enterprise = America, USA
Redistribution = Amerika, USSA

ITPRWPORT?

I do not hate Lord Barry. Lord Barry is simply the man .... the figure head of the movement/ideals/principality that is against traditional American culture, values and beliefs as found on Leave it to Beaver, Fozie, George Lopez, Karate Kid, Full House, Family Matters and Cosby Show.

I hate evil. The oposite of good. Lord Barry's group, and their supporters, do not agree with me and other conservos on what is evil and what is good.

I am pretty sure we have went over this stuff a few times already. Good and Evil ... right and wrong ... it is from here that the split begins.

Bap33 says

I do not hate Lord Barry. Lord Barry is simply the man .... the figure head of the movement/ideals/principality that is against traditional American culture, values and beliefs as found on Leave it to Beaver, Fozie, George Lopez, Karate Kid, Full House, Family Matters and Cosby Show.

Do you have specific examples?

Bap,

What has Obama actually done to negate any of those values and beliefs? He's only a president, you know.

I can understand being against Obama: Obamacare seems like another givaway to Big Health Insurance.

As for the economy, I'm not sure what Obama (or any other president) can do to revive an economy suffering from the necessary debt-deleveraging "hangover" that comes after a period of irrational exuberance.

What I think we need is sound money. Ultra low interest rates encourage "yield chasing," excessive risk-taking, and serial bubbles.

@80,
I said Lord Barry is only a man. Where did I place blame for today's situation on him? He is only a representative figure of the "problem" in my estimation.

@thunderlips,
I'm pretty sure Lord Barry's group has taken a position on immigration, God in public, guns, gays, welfare, and issues such as those, that does not match the position of -- lets say, Tea Party people -- for example. And, as in my example, members of Lord Barry's group do not seem to like/agree/embrace the America depicted in those shows I put up. While I think we can all agree that the Tea Party members are depicted in such shows, or at least associate with them in a positive way. I just used some shows that most folks would know, and to save a bunch of time with details and explanations to only have them be thrown out. That may have been a bad medium to choose.

But, to be honest, I am not sure what you are looking for in the way of examples. My original premis may lack the detail to satisfy your question.

If he's only a man, why "Lord Barry" as if he were a King or God? That's what I meant.

he came to power with zero background, as if chosen by some devine power.

his followers allow him free run, giving blind obedience.

those who oppose him or his system are demonized with great effort.

he shows no reverence for the laws of man

his words and actions bring warmth to his followers, while his words and actions bring fear and anger to his opposers.

he operates above any oversight.

I guess I just went with Lord Barry to get used to doing by choice something that will be demanded of us all starting Dec. 21, 2012 - if he wins - and he really might.

If he does win, we might not see another election in America without first having a civil war to reset the nation. Just a hunch.