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What's so wrong with communisum?


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2011 Nov 28, 7:30pm   33,048 views  129 comments

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OK - I'm ready to get skewered for even posting this one...

A long long time ago (I think i was in High School, perhaps even middle school) I wrote a paper on communism. I've always felt that the system has certain merits when applied to small groupings, but begins to break down when applied to larger society. Further - said breakdown is partially due to the fact that there is nothing to keep those tasked with distributing the goods amongst the people from taking a disproportionate share for themselves, particularly in the absence or a strong moral framework or religious underpinning to keep everyone on the same plane. Lets face it - human nature is to horde - to consume more, more more. There is no natural inclination to help others unless there is a perceived benefit (be it current or future) in doing so.

In short some form of "moral communism" can work on small scales - but it breaks down when applied to larger society. Why? and could some tweaks allow one to come up with a "better" system, perhaps one that can be a viable alternative to the representative democracy we have in place now?

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116   Dan8267   2011 Dec 10, 2:30pm  

Zachary says

I must be a fool for believing such a line of crap that took me from a life of drugs and pain and set my path on a more righteous life.

Trading one delusion for another is no gain. Furthermore, blind faith is not righteous. You could worship Hindi gods and get the same result. Does that make the Hindi gods real?

117   Dan8267   2011 Dec 10, 2:36pm  

Nomograph says

Animals have no recognition of their own mortality, only humans have this ability.

One theory is that religion is a psychological defense that allows us to circumvent this conflict with the idea of an eternal life.

Yes, as humans became more intelligent, our genes had to keep us from getting depressed about our own mortality or we wouldn't propagate those genes. So our genes lied to us by giving us the delusion of immortality so we didn't rebel against them.

I don't buy that other animals have no sense of mortality though. Most don't obsess about it though. However, they clearly have a sense of self-preservation that wouldn't make sense if they didn't feel threatened by death. Have you ever tried to catch a squirrel?

In any case, other apes, monkeys, and elephants have been observed mourning for fallen relatives.

118   marcus   2011 Dec 10, 2:37pm  

If you talked him out of his faith, would that make you feel good ?

119   Zeke1964   2011 Dec 10, 11:04pm  

Marcus,
After what I've experienced in my life, there isn't a chance of it. They can debate words, but they can't debate the love of Jesus Christ and everything the Holy Spirit has done for me and my family.
My challenge continues to be to them to be honest with themselves and ask the Lord Jesus to reveal Himself to them, with an open heart. I doubt that this is possible right now because I detect such a spirit of hate and bitterness towards Christ.

Why waste time on multiple Gods when I honor and worship the one true God?
Thanks, Zach

120   marcus   2011 Dec 10, 11:27pm  

It's not hate and bitterness. It's just that they too are invested in their beliefs. It's sort of like logic is their Jesus.

Personally I don't have the faith that you do, nor is Jesus or a personal God at the center of my spiritual beliefs. But I respect you for having the faith you do, and have no interest in trying to change you.

121   Zeke1964   2011 Dec 10, 11:35pm  

Ha, good catch!

122   Zeke1964   2011 Dec 10, 11:39pm  

thanks Marcus...
I wish that everyone knew Jesus as I do. It's a shame but most Christian churches don't accept having a personal relationship with Christ. It's written in the book of Acts...wait for the comforter who will come in my name. He' still available 2,000 years after Jesus accended into the heavens.
Z

123   uomo_senza_nome   2011 Dec 10, 11:54pm  

LOL, this thread should probably move to religion section because it has veered off so far away from the subject of communism.

124   Dan8267   2011 Dec 11, 2:32am  

marcus says

If you talked him out of his faith, would that make you feel good ?

It would make me feel good about our species. Irrationality is what's going to lead to the destruction of mankind whether through nuclear fire or ecological collapse. We're facing a few Litmus tests here. If we pass, we colonize the galaxy. If we fail, we go extinct. Religion and other forms of irrationality keeps pushing us towards extinction.

And don't think that a population of 7 billion can't go extinct if we render the Earth a lot less hospitable to human life.

125   Dan8267   2011 Dec 11, 2:34am  

marcus says

It's sort of like logic is their Jesus.

Yes, logic and reality are the basis of our belief system. And that's bad, why?

126   marcus   2011 Dec 11, 3:14am  

Dan8267 says

If we pass, we colonize the galaxy

Are you saying that you believe religious dogma is propaganda that was brought here by aliens who don't want us to colonize the galaxy ?

127   Dan8267   2011 Dec 11, 10:52am  

uomo_senza_nome says

LOL, this thread should probably move to religion section because it has veered off so far away from the subject of communism.

agreed

128   kentm   2011 Dec 11, 3:11pm  

Speaking of communism, it would appear that Karl Marx predicted our current crisis...

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/n8v0f/i_recently_read_the_communist_manifesto_by_karl/

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