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I've got to go now. Leo your a pretty nice guy. I won't belabour the point. Just to say you just might know Rome and all the Catholic BS. Don't get me wrong, once again. Its a great place to have a drink and meet a babe. Its a great social organization. However its not unlike them to pull BS like that. I know to many and have been there. I actually consider you sane. Some of that stuff that comes with that "Church" I just don't know. I don't have a "religion" some of the stuff they do seems very strange.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Not really. Just because its not on the web does not mean it's not true. I mean they weren't like ocean liners filled with whores. Just small vessels filled with hookers for the officers in the Roman Army.

OH, yeah don't get me wrong. The story is believable, I am just not sure on the etymology of the words "hooker" and "worship". Prostitutes following military is an age old tradition. I think that the French Foreign Legion is the only "modern" western military that still has dedicated prostitutes.

ArtimusMaxtor says

I actually consider you sane.

Thanks.

NP Leoj. I noticed your list of all the religions. Really comprehensive. The Catholic Church is actually due to dealmaking. Some would not be so suprised at the players. It's soothing pablum to people who otherwise not have a God or an end to look forward to as they drudge their lives trying to be good for the bitter end. For the perpetrators of religious hoax. So they can make out with things like cheap labor. While the believers sit there and patiently take it. I consider that a rotten trick on people.

Our ancestors might understand the deals struck. Like I say not such a nice thing to do. We that are considered counter-culture. Or actually people that are not fooled. Find that being ruled by moray's that are part of a fake religion. Outrageous.

Which actually then includes us in religion as counter-culture. I don't much care for that.

See thats what I noticed. How can you include people. That have their own way of life. In religion. That aren't for the most part, part of any BS religion. Because they aren't stupid enough to be in religion.

My point is they organize religious people. Whole country is filled with churchs. Some people find that amazing. I find that a well behaved labor force, draftee's, good citizens without a thought to themselves. Working for others once again. Quietly. Taking out debt that makes them owe for a lifetime. Which their shitbag church's never bring up as usury.

I'm going to be the friend. I have always been. Didn't start yesterday. Goes back decades. If your organized in any way. If any of those organizations you may belong to get recognized on the debt merchant owned media. Or are affiliated with the ones tha dot get recognized. LOOK OUT. Because the people that engage in that kind of stuff (see above) are skilled manipulators and they are just screwing you.

See the game is hope against hope be a good boy till the next ruling. That disperses the angry and quells anger. So what you thought. Is true. I hate to see my good friends being jerked around and made fools of. If your categorized as religious or something of. Thats basically what they do with you. Also, really keep an eye on your "spokesmen" you might just have some really swift bastards in there doing that for them. Not really high level people. Just people doing it for the cash or the ones they owe or for a jobbie.

You'll go along with what they want in one form or another hoping against hope for a favorable ruling. When you don't get it. You will entrench yourself further in your selection of THEIR part of the system. Democrat, Republican or Independent. Divide up and have at it. They love that. The religious argument getting even larger. Giving religion even more validity. Which it does not deserve. The people that engage in doing these things to the populace are diabolical, no doubt.

Take note comes at primary time. When they run their phoney business. The one thing they have a hard time keeping down. That really makes them squirm. Is a minority in charge of a majority. Has never happened unless artificially induced in the history of the world. If you can ever get yourself out of the device. That they have so cleverly put you in. Just like all the people caught in the device of religion. You'll see. What suffering patiently is all about. Thats really setting yourself free.

So get ready for a little pander'n. A little song and dance possibly. If even from your part of the world. Be good. Cause you know things. They don't want you to know. They will just haul out the old routine anytime things get rough on them. Thats what really happened.

I'm not so easily caught in a trap. What you will see is maybe you have not been good. Therefore. In addition you must understand in order to validate religion. The little farce must go on and on. In order to keep you in line the same must continue. One always hoping the other one will come to their senses or the argument will be settled. Which never happens. Its just to spiffy a game for them to let to happen.

Can we get back to the topic of Christianity? How did we get to talking about whores on ships?

wthrfrk80 says

Can we get back to the topic of Christianity? How did we get to talking about whores on ships?

Sure I'm game.

Christianity has the virtue of praising the poor while also getting them to stop questioning the continuous forced transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.

If Jesus may come at any minute, then the unfairness taking from the poor and giving to the rich doesn't matter!

Better yet, the suppression of critical thought is elevated to the highest virtue. So the poor are explicitly instructed NOT to look for mistakes in what they are being taught. It's called "faith".

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom. But the religion is definitely used by the rich to stay rich.

leoj707 says

Confucianism
Cao Dai
Juche
Mohism

Isn't that the political party that runs North Korea? What's the afterlife? Spending all of eternity as a really short guy in elevator shoes watching porn tapes? (I guess there could be worse fates...?)

leoj707 says

Happy Science

I ain't even gonna google that one. For once, I honestly do NOT want to know.

leoj707 says

Sithism

LOL, what?

PS: you forgot Pastafarianism a/k/a Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom. But the religion is definitely used by the rich to stay rich.

Not really a fair criticism. Buddhist monks were some of the biggest propagandists for getting Japanese to sign up as kamikaze pilots, and Tibetan Buddhism is historically actually one of the most savage theocracies that's ever existed.

'Course both Christianity and Buddhism have been "syncretized" to the point I doubt Jesus or Buddha would recognize their respective faiths. (Though I do think it is kinda cool that the Ethiopian branch of Coptic Christianity has as one of their main saints...Pontius Pilate, of all people. If I'd known that back in the day, I'd have asked to take that as my saint name at Confirmation time. Of course, the Catholic Church has no Saint Pontius Pilate, but maybe I could've snuck it through. After all, he is a saint, just not a Catholic one.)

Full disclosure – I’m a practicing Roman Catholic.

I also volunteer teaching religious education to 6th graders one day a week.

I’ll tell you what I tell my students… keep seeking truth, and you’ll find it.

More to the point – Christians by definition believe Jesus was “The Christ” the anointed one. The Messiah. What that means we can debate ad nauseam from a theological and historical perspective. In truth, the genealogy of the various denominations is quite interesting. But at the end of the day 1) Jesus was Jewish – what has become Christianity is a convention of his follows – and their attempt to emulate him and implement his teachings. 2) Christians across a wide swath of denominations mostly agree on Jesus’ teachings – that is to say what he said as related in the four “traditional gospels” plus portions of the Gnostic texts, Gospel Q, etc.

Religion is an attempt by man to understand God and answer fundamental questions – who am I? why am I here? How should I treat my fellow man? On a deeper level its an attempt to grapple with what sets us apart from other animals, how we deal with our own motility, and things of that sort.

Even if you think Christianity is a bunch of BS and don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. I’d still encourage you to study his teachings. If you keep an open mind, you’d be surprised at how much they resonate with you.

Some of the eastern philosophies encapsulate the same spirit. The essence that our time is finite, and we must treat each other with dignity, respect and compassion. Remember – there are many paths, but only one way. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrian – the core tenants are virtual identical – love your god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest will take its own path from there, but the goal eternal oneness with the creator, is the same. I wish you luck in your search.

Darwin proved that Christianity is BS. There never was a Garden of Eden paradise with no death, and humans are not "special" relative to other life forms. Death and suffering have always been; it was not the result of Adam and Eve disobeying God.

Paul links Christs death on the cross to salvation. Paul says, as in Adam all die, as in Christ so all shall be made alive.

So much for Paul's supposed divine inspiration.

I suppose if Christianity is reduced to "Jesus was a nice wise philosopher who pissed off the authorities and got whacked", then Christianity is "true." But all the stuff about sin, atonement, salvation, and eternal life is BS. Darwin proved that.

The folks in Dayton, Tennessee knew the implications of evolution, so they fought it. Yes, they looked like fools, but at least they knew what they were up against.

I don't have any problem with Jesus Himself. Excellent guy. Almost Buddha-like in wisdom.

The Buddha comparison was kind of a joke. Of course Christians would say Jesus is far superior, so it was a little provocation on my part. Sorry.

But seriously, Jesus and Buddha had remarkably similar teachings about defeating hate with love. A kind of moral judo. Knowledge of Buddhism had made it to Greece and Egypt before Jesus was born, so there could easily have been some adoption in Christianity of Buddhist ideas.

Lumpenprole says

Isn't that the political party that runs North Korea? What's the afterlife? Spending all of eternity as a really short guy in elevator shoes watching porn tapes? (I guess there could be worse fates...?)

Yes, and it is a religion in that the "dear leader" is essentially divine, and revered as such. Many supernatural instances are attributed to him; such as upon his birth winter spontaneously turned to spring. Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

Lumpenprole says

leoj707 says

Sithism

LOL, what?

PS: you forgot Pastafarianism a/k/a Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

Damn, I tried deleting the "silly" religions -- i.e. religions that even the followers have never actually believed to be true -- from the list, but it looks like I missed one.

*ah, hemm...*
not that "real" religions have any more evidence to prove their "truth" than a "silly" religion does

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Lumpenprole says

Not really a fair criticism. Buddhist monks were some of the biggest propagandists for getting Japanese to sign up as kamikaze pilots, and Tibetan Buddhism is historically actually one of the most savage theocracies that's ever existed.

Yes, thank you. This is something that most people don't seem to know or like to forget.

While I am not fan of how the Chinese government chooses to treat people a good argument can be made that the average Tibetan is better off and more "fairly" treated under the current Chinese rule that they were under the opulent theocratic -- and yes savage -- dictatorship run by the Dali-lama. Only after his failure to seize power through violent means the Lama turned to peace, love and Hollywood.

It is amazing to me that people take the Dali-lama so seriously.

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Funny, perhaps you did not see the large deliveries of adult diapers coming in the back door.

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Even if you think Christianity is a bunch of BS and don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. I’d still encourage you to study his teachings. If you keep an open mind, you’d be surprised at how much they resonate with you.

I agree that people should at least have some familiarity with the bible, and read it with an open mind.

EastCoastBubbleBoy says

Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrian – the core tenants are virtual identical – love your god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Hmmm... see, it is comments like this that make me think you have not been reading the bible with an open mind. When Jesus preaches: hate your family, and he is here to bring the sword not peace, and true followers can drink poison and not be harmed, etc. a person with an open mind does not cherry pick around these teachings and try to explain them away as metaphor. And, don't forget that as a christian if you see your neighbor mowing their lawn on a Sunday you need to rush over there and kill them -- as god's law commands.

Also, if love -- of god, and neighbors -- were such a core tenant of christianity then why are they not in the 10 commandments. In these core christian beliefs god commands your worship, and will punish those that hate him, but does not ask for love. He does however command that you show mercy to others that love him. As far as neighbors go don't commit any erotic thought crime concerning his wife, but nothing about being nice to your neighbor let alone loving them.

I do appreciate your disclosure, and comments, but I just don't think that reading the bible with a truly open mind will have the results that you are hoping for.

The problem is that the bible is a very poor moral guide. The teaching therein can and has been used to support and endorse any behavior. With the understanding of course that the perpetrator of such acts worships El Shaddai, and follows some "minor" rules like don't wear cotton wool blends, or how to properly beat your slaves.

In my moral view probably one of the worst things someone can do is abuse and rape children. If I was god -- which by the way, no one can prove that I am not -- that would be #1 on my list of "thou shall not" commandments. There is no direct prohibition on raping and murdering kids in the bible, but I guess that is all just part of gods plan.

leoj707 says

Of course my favorite being that he neither poops or pees.

In Catholic school (3rd grade) we students speculated that nuns do not poop or pee because they were never observed to enter or exit any bathroom.

Oh, I almost forgot about "Everybody Poops" has been debunked. So maybe the Kim Jung Ill and the nuns have found a way around it.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/03/everyone-poops-debunked.html

Now, “everybody poops” is a conjecture based on the rather shallow theory that everybody eats, and since what goes in must come out, everybody poops. So, what about the male of the moth detailed in Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation: The Definitive Guide to the Evolutionary Biology of Sex by Olivia Judson? This moth lays its eggs in the ears of bats. When the eggs hatch, there is one male and several females. The male incestuously mates with his sisters, who then fly away to find bats of their own, while the male stays behind and dies. Most interestingly, the male is born without mouth parts, and therefore cannot eat. To paraphrase St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, “If a moth will not eat, he shall not poop.” So much for the brave conjecture.

I've never seen one take a shit. I'm sure it happens way more than we suspect. It's even at the door. There is also another verse in the bible that says "If a moth will not eat. He will not hump" It's a hidden verse. It has to do with eating but than again who the fuck cares.

HOLY SHIT! MIC CHECK.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/7QSyaBHr1jU

As we taxied down the runway
I could hear the people shout
They said, "Don't come back here Yankee!"

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ung4zxDKMfY

Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

REALLY?

Heres what it really says:

RomansRgone Route 66: Let every person be subject to anyone with shit for brains that sounds like hes in charge. For there is no authority from God. Because thats not how it works. He really could care less what you do. Someone better pull these bastards back. Because I'm really pissed.

ArtimusMaxtor

So what is life all about? Where did we come from? Is there any purpose for living? Is there any absolute rights and wrongs?

finally, have you had a bad experience with church?

Paul

wthrfrk80

It is easy to attack anyone or anything (especially with mute arguments) but what do you believe?

Paul

Christians are made to be totally ignorant of the earth in many cases. They are experts on outer space. Of shit no ones knows about or can find. They are happy little destroyers of the earth. That go right along with the people who love too plunder the earth. Its of a people made to be totally ignorant. Willing little lackey's in the employ of people that love stealing or taking what is not theirs to begin with.

You tell me paulma. If the gold on a thousand hills are His what fucking right do they have to be taking and buying and selling his gold?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WtuoFv4dcwM

Carefull this video may be Radio active.

Ivan Sudakov lead singer

You do know some things slick. So lets be frank.

If you think the people in that video just hatched out of a pod. You have another thing coming. You might be asking yourself. Why would someone intentionally want to spend a long time burning. (What your afraid of). What they laugh at. They are kind of obvious in this video. Aren't they? Then ask yourself. Why are you asked to be a little child with no senses. Opening you up to every con, swindeler and near-do-well that shows up in your life. Being told that God will get them in the end. While they run off with everything you have? Not that you would of course. You don't take that seriously. So how the fuck do you expect anyone here to take you seriously. Deal is people here aren't stupid. Don't ask them to be. They don't like it. Nor do they like someone coming in here trying to make them ignorant.

I can tell I will get frustrated. With what your going to say. Because your just pretty damn sure. There is a hell your going to burn in forever. If you use some fucking common sense. Giving me some kind of rational answer. There are several people on this board that understand. However I feel you won't and if you do stick around here. There will be a huge fucking religious explosion. Not like the 2 vanloads of C4 they parked in both basements of trade towers either. Motive: Discovery of the second largest oil field in the middle east in Iraq. While Iraq was under sanction, being explored. No it may be a Jesus-Elton John explosion. Which frankly I don't think I can live through one more of those.

ArtimusMaxtor

You sound like a very unhappy person. Did you have a bad experience at a Roman Catholic church?

True Christianity bring peace, joy and victory. I recommend it to you.

Paul

Thanks for answering my question with a question. I've got fucking joy, peace and victory. Some things irritate me. Stop giving me pat answers. I'm not a customer. Or go study your book. Or ask for your friends to prey for me. I love having people that wonder about outer space preying for me.

God never gave you anything. Youv'e preyed till your preyer closets buckled. He gave you two arms and legs and a brain for a reason.

The Catholic church is a great social organization. I don't believe their bullshit of course. Which gave birth to your bullshit like it or not. Some of my best friends are from there. All kinds of friends, picnics, baseball, basketball football, great food. Many good memories. They let you drink beer. A place bountiful with fine pussy. I highly recommend it for a great time. Just don't buy their religious bullshit. The priests were nice friendly guys. The nuns not so friendly. No one tried to touch my pee-pee either. So in my experince. I never encountered or even heard of something like that in my days there. I consider it a wonderful social experience.

I've even been to your kind of church. Nice people, friendly, no beer, basketball, sports. The pussy is pretty good. Most of these people in both places like me. I like them also. I hate to see people being used. Yes there is a purpose for Chrisitans, Catholics, Muslims etc being good people. Its pacification of otherwise thinking people. That would do for themselves. Not falling in line. With what others want. Making sure they pay their debt. Having them help tear up the earth by helping the people that wrote what you read taking anything and everything they want. Theirs or not in one form or another.

One day you'll figure out the user's that wrote that NT want you to be a good boy. A. So you won't bother them. B. So you will work indefinitely for them for very little. Or you will borrow cash from them for a student loan, car, house, television becoming a debt slave. Believe me debt will be your little miricle when you marry little Becky or whoever you marry. Everyone in your church is up to their ass in debt. OR they will draft you into some war you will happly go into. Get your head blown off because A. It's the patriotic thing to do. B. You don't know any better. You better wake up kid. This country is run by animals that invade other lands, continually making up spurious reasons. Like human shields for tanks, rape, child killing and things like, chemical weapons in Iraq. A country sanctioned and inspected by 22 nations. Where you couldn't take a shit without someone knowing it.

The earths a great place. If you stop following stupidity and be your own man. Use your head. Stop being a useful idiot.

Truth of it is there are just as many people on the earth that DON'T help themselves to whatever they want. The ones that do help themselves are making this a shithole for everyone else. People even the ones in debt need to stop and think about that. Think about why their part of the earth is so barren. Thats why they have to have everything trucked in. So stand with me.......

http://www.youtube.com/embed/z7Yakl_xIkc

ArtimusMaxtor says

The Catholic church is a great social organization. I don't believe their bullshit of course. Which gave birth to your bullshit like it or not.

wrong ... but dont let facts slow you down now ...

Boy, you ain't never gone out drinking with the Irish. You've never been with an Italian girl. You ain't never et no Eyetalian food. Not any real Italian food anyway. That means you ain't got no friends.

It is a social org. so are the I guess whatever you call it Baptist or whatever. Tell me one of those old fried chicken jokes. Just a differnt kind of fun I guess. Its a place to meet friends a girl. Work up a big Jesus feeling for me. People like to go where their "own kind" are. Simple fact.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/yNFp7zStBvY

paulma says

So what is life all about? Is there any purpose for living?

Yes, there is a purpose, and...

Only reason I ever went to Church is to find girls:

1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

Moses screwed everything he could find as a prince sometimes twice. Then he went out into the desert and kept banging. Abraham banged one of his girls. Being married. God never said word fucking one. Resulting in a hoary (in many places) peoples. I don't like the word whore. Never did. I also can see many people love to attack these people for some GD reason. Descendants of Abraham are semites. I have to correct myself. However part black. Palistinians, Iraqi's and Persians. Not Lud. Many of Afganistan. So you can see the smart asses in the U.S.A. have fucked themselves. Thats my observation. Not asking you to have it or like it. What happens, happens.

Christian ignorance calls them A-rabs. Syrians are as white as you or me. Why they stay and film only in HOMS. Is no mystery to me. They love playing this game. I'm sick of it for one. I date a Syrian girl. So don't give me any bullshit. They NEVER go into Damascus. Where you think they would. Where "nothing" is happening. Just does not make sense. She like many real Syrians want the rebellion to work. It's the A-rabs causing all of the trouble by what you can see. Thats all they will show you. I'm getting weary of the endless persecution of these people. Of having them shown as the cause of all the trouble.

So what it really boils down to is these A-rabs. Won't let you get in to "steal" and take everything YOU want. You don't like that. I find that wonderful. So take a fucking wild guess and figure out who is on the wrong side of this one. Try mixing it up. Fool some of the people all of the people. Dosen't matter I'M NOT FOOLED.

As for the first paragraph there was no "money" back then so that is spurious. I loved chasing women in church. I would not chase someones wife of course. However I would chase every single girl that was fine. (I have some specifications of course.) If I could get her in bed. I'd do it. I'd still go there cause thats where daddy puts the fine ones sometimes. 13 and over is good. 13 your an adult. This country likes keeping them around the house for some reason Dad dosen't like the boy and Mom dosen't like the girl for some reason when they are of age. They should be making there way in the world like my granfather did at AGE 14. He thought it as bullshit and coddling to keep a young adult around. They need to get started in life not waiting around for a fucking student loan or home loan. There is endless guilt for someone that dosen't get the right grades or gets into the right college. I call that Plato's bullshit. I have 7000 times more than any of those nitwits will ever have. It's really not as hard as you think it might be. The teachers in those schools are skilled in perpetrating guilt. Lot of the students just don't get it. More of Plato's bullshit. Take apart the word Demo-cracy. You'll see the greek myscogny in that. It's of a really confused people that loves to confuse others.

Another tactic they use. Everyone but Israel is a fucking UFO. I guess its they are the only people that survived from yesteryear. No one is told who the fuck they are or where theyre people come from EVER. Unless its obvious. Why you do that is someones guess. I guess they just have to assume. In addtion you got the Hebrews only half right. More than likely on purpose. So your educational system has purpose also. I'll get to that one day. It goes to indigenous speaking people. Thats as far as you will ever go in your schools. You never trace it to the core of who they are. You leave it up to confusion. (My guess is you dilute peoples by not letting them know who they are as a people for your own purpose.) Like seeing them to Christianty. To make them nice and pliable. Really only once choice of religion here. You see to that. That would involve a small group. Dealing out legal tender. Printing shitloads of bibles. Loaning cash on churchs. (Believe me its an easy start-up. There is a shitload of cash for anyone that wants to get a franchise or something related.) People drenched in pacification. So they don't give you any trouble. Work cheaply and quietly, take out sucker loans, pay their bills. Trying to get it so they never bitch about any war you choose to get in. Because your oh so righteous. The bibles the debt merchants printed tell me so.

ANOTHER THING YOU DON'T DO IS EDUCATE PEOPLE ON LOANS. Oh fuck no. Simple enough to say hey pal your paying on a 30 year loan on a house that took three months to build. Add a blurb in there somewhere Homer. The people you let get fucked over would appreciate that.

Then there is Israel the land of God. Has 17 major banks and countless lending outlets with rates WORSE than ours. Usury oh fuck no. What does that mean? Porno. No problem. Selling the land (Pat you debt ridden preacher its selling the land not dividing it. You bet Israel is sub-divided 3/4 acre lots to. All stubbed out. Ready for new builds and FOR SALE.). Israel has home, auto loans, boat loans, RV loans, credit cards, small loans, business loans, Commercial loans, Farm loans, Synagouge loans. Can't get much of anything in Israel without some kind of fucking loan. Its all so end times. If you push shopping carts around the Supermarket, parking lot. Drool down your chin. Pick your nose and eat it. Keep playing your fiddle Homer its fun watching you make an idiot out of yourself.

Demos

1.
the common people of an ancient Greek state.

2.
the common people; populace.

3.
Sociology . a people viewed as a political unit.

You live in city-states. Its a people of political division. (Divide and conqueor) You figure it out from there.

If your a Democrat or Republican. One day you will figure out your people divided on purpose. There is a purpose in that. Because a divided people are taken. They will fight with one another. Instead of dealing with the problem at hand. It's really very clever. You'll never arrive at any meaningful solution flailing away at each other. Take that to religious "issues" further division. They do this kind of crap on purpose TOO YOU ever single day. People in "social gatherings" are to embarassed to even discuss their disagreements. Becuase deep down they know they are being made jackasses of and get along. Never mentioning the disagreements. Thats the way real people live in real life. It's never white against black. Or gay against religion in real life. Never. They get along. The only ones stirring up the shit in your mind are people of the debt merchant media and the people of "politics" that are divided up into cities, states, "parties".

So that basically means I can get along with anyone. The goofy bastards that are the perp's in this are never going to let you have your solutions. It's just to much fun for them to leave you confused in your mind. About things that are really simple to solve. For me it is solved. I'm comfortable. There are people here. What I am addressing. Are the goofballs in most of my writtings that won't leave everyday people alone. Those are the people I am after.

There is no way to center all of this. Of course. They just have to much division going on. Religion vs non-religous. Democrat vs Republican. They have it set up so they can divide just about anything that will come at them. Until then we remain a people in real life. That just don't practice division for the most part. Until they throw their bullshit in. This is of a people easily taken. Readily conqueored. They do this throughout the world. To other peoples continually.

If you ask me the real "devils" in this are the dividers. Who rely on their continuity of division to remain undetected. Making things appearing to occur naturally. When really a lot of it is a product of their quite on pupose divisions. You see them doing it everyday.

A palliative to the foregoing:

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Religion, especially christianity, is explained in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/MeSSwKffj9o

A palliative to the foregoing:

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