The Most Marginalized Group in America
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2012 Feb 19, 9:31am 97,445 views 308 comments
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Anyone who claims that white people are marginalized is a racist. Period.
Like Prop 13, not 14 .. you just get it all wrong.
Oh dear, the crushing weight of your argument has won the day... you sure showed me up. Okay, THAT is an example of why I think of you as a troll. So with that reply, in addition to thinking of you as a fool and a troll I now think of you as probably being about a 14 year old boy.
Here's an article for you on my way out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/minority-students-education-study_n_1322594.html
But you won't get it, won't read it, and will respond with a reply that goes something like this: "but a black man somewhere won a poker game, so this proves everything you post is wrong, and liberals suck, and they never do anything good. Sneer."
In closing, as a method of entry into understanding the world of the thought process from which that article was written, and from which many of the comments you argue against, mine included, without ever really understanding are based in I give you this clue: it's not who wins, it's who looses. And why.
Bye
Here's an article for you on my way out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/minority-students-education-study_n_1322594.html
I want you to explain to me why your affraid of going to places like Little Siagon and talking to or even getting to know some of the Vietnamese immagrants who came to the US, and why they have become so successfull ?
"Civil rights advocates expect this data, collected during the 2009-10 school year, will provide new ammunition for compliance reviews, advocacy and lawsuits involving educational fairness in America."
Who are you going to sue ?
it's not who wins, it's who looses. And why.
The policies based on quotas which you favor discourage anyone "winning" based on their ability and personal drive. Like the Fireman's lawsuit in the video above, you cannot win because it does not meet the racial quota.
Anyone who claims that white people are marginalized is a racist. Period.
Was this before when YOU thought I was Asian or after
when I said I could be white ? Which is it ?
I want you to explain to me why your affraid of going to places like Little Siagon and talking to or even getting to know some of the Vietnamese immagrants who came to the US, and why they have become so successfull ?
I have to correct my statements above. You just really sound like an idiot now.
I have to correct my statements above. You just really sound like an idiot.
Who is the racist now!
At this point I also have to question if you really even understand what 'racism' means.
At this point I also have to question if you really even understand what 'racism' means.
Racism today is hypocrisy.
Scagnetti
2012 Mar 5, 4:36pm
Also:
I don't refute your study. I disagree with the viewpoint that STATE SPONSORED ANTI-WHITE PREJUDICE (affirmative action) is a good thing!
Then I have to say you don't understand it. And I ask you who you mean to indicate the 'good thing' is intended to be for? There's always winners and losers in every situation...
Let me clarify....
I am all for "access" but our current system goes beyond "access" and into "discrimination".
I will use your own study as an example.
To prevent discrimination, some orchestra's started choosing their musicians by only listening to them, without seeing them. I think that's an excellent idea! For me, the problem is solved right there! The most competent people get the job. Race and gender aren't a factor, only competence.
Unfortunately that's not the system we have is it? Even in a system where the best candidates have BLINDLY been chosen, then we give a leg up to groups that are "underrepresented". That's bullshit and discrimination. The best person should get the job period!
P.S. ~ I changed my .gif for you. I agree, it was annoying when scrolling through all the comments.
Scagnetti
2012 Mar 5, 4:48pm
My whole argument is based on the fact that I shouldn't have to prove that it's socioeconomic.
Shouldn't or couldn't? If you can't prove it or at least show evidence, why would any rational person believe you? You want people to just "Take your word for it"?
Anyone who claims that white people are marginalized is a racist. Period.
Why?
I pledge my greivance to the flag...
Because white people (specifically, white men) run the whole country (and really the whole world). It's such an absurd claim that if you're making it, you're either a racist or you're an idiot.
Anyone who claims that white people are marginalized is a racist. Period.
Was this before when YOU thought I was Asian or after
when I said I could be white ? Which is it ?
I never thought you were Asian, you racist dipshit. Maybe you should try keeping people you're being batshit crazy at straight.
Scagnetti
2012 Mar 5, 6:51pm
I think people have used the word "racist" and "racism" so much, it really is losing its meaning!
tatupu70
2012 Mar 5, 8:58pm
Here's an article for you on my way out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/minority-students-education-study_n_1322594.html
But you won't get it, won't read it, and will respond with a reply that goes something like this: "but a black man somewhere won a poker game, so this proves everything you post is wrong, and liberals suck, and they never do anything good. Sneer."
followed by:
I want you to explain to me why your affraid of going to places like Little Siagon and talking to or even getting to know some of the Vietnamese immagrants who came to the US, and why they have become so successfull ?
"Civil rights advocates expect this data, collected during the 2009-10 school year, will provide new ammunition for compliance reviews, advocacy and lawsuits involving educational fairness in America."
Who are you going to sue ?
I can't tell if Thomas was trying to be funny or not. Based on his usual writing style, I'd say no and if not, it is even funnier.
Kent--I'd say you pretty much nailed that one.
Thomas what the lobs can't tolerate is the concept of freedom.Its that simple,
freak80
2012 Mar 6, 12:09am
I guess we can't have a "color blind" society. Fact is, we're obsessed with race. Is it hard-wired psychology?
tatupu70
2012 Mar 6, 12:16am
Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours.
Not according to Jeremy and Scags. Us white men have been marginalized. Didn't you get the memo?
rootvg
2012 Mar 6, 12:21am
Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours.
Not according to Jeremy and Scags. Us white men have been marginalized. Didn't you get the memo?
I don't give a shit about anyone's memo. I know the truth. I've been a lot of places and trust me, California is an economic and cultural bubble.
Just wait until after the election in November. All this screwball politically correct California horseshit isn't going to get us much out here.
freak80
2012 Mar 6, 12:25am
I've been a lot of places and trust me, California is an economic and cultural bubble.
Definitely.
Jeremy
2012 Mar 6, 2:22am
Because white people (specifically, white men) run the whole country (and really the whole world).
THAT'S it? THAT is what makes me racist? The fact is, there is a major double standard in this country, and it is unwarranted. I understand why affirmative action was created. Years ago, underprivileged groups did not have access to the tools of self betterment that White Males had. Does any reasonably coherent person think there is one single person in this country that does not have access to the tools of self betterment because of the color of their skin or gender or sexual orientation? Give me a break. Everyone has the same access. Is it harder if you're poor, from the inner city? Yes. Is it super easy if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth? Yes. I would fight for more opportunities for underprivileged inner city or rural area kids to help guide them. But in the middle class world, the blacks and Hispanics and Women really need self promotional groups?? Why? They serve no purpose but to purport racism, however accepted they are. I'm made to feel guilty for being white. This is how I am marginalized. I grew up in a middle class neighborhood an hour outside of Los Angeles. On my street, there were girls, boys, whites, browns, blacks, maybe one asian kid. Our Community, employment, and societal prospects have been EXACTLY the same our entire lives. EXCEPT, they have had promotional groups, scholarships, recruitment targeting, hiring practices, etc., that have all been specifically directed at them simply because they are brown, black or whatever, while I have not. This is my argument for why white males are marginalized. Thank you for taking the time to think about my position from a logical point of view, and not simply spewing hatred. Thank you
CL
2012 Mar 6, 2:44am
Right, Jeremy. So-- employers, police officers, the court system, don't continue white privilege through preferential treatment?
The big issue here is that white people don't mind white privilege. They believe this is normal, because they believe themselves to be culturally superior. Isn't that really it?
rootvg
2012 Mar 6, 2:53am
Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours.
Not according to Jeremy and Scags. Us white men have been marginalized. Didn't you get the memo?
I can take you several places that immediately come to mind where white males aren't marginalized. None of them are in California, Massachusetts, Illinois or Maryland.
We are approaching a point in our nation's history where all the "feeling" and political correctness in the world aren't going to save us from ourselves. We're sitting on a demographic time bomb that's in the early stages of blowing up on us. I think our taxes, as a nation, are going to go up but I also think we're in the very early stages of making some decisions on means testing of our entitlements and possibly in wholesale collapsing of some cabinet level agencies into others. We're gonna pay more but people are damn well gonna make sure that money goes as far as it can. I mean, what do you think the Fox News phenomenon is all about?
There was story out several weeks ago about Paul Ryan meeting with a bipartisan committee in the House about entitlement reform, outside the normal channels. The upshot? BIG changes are coming. Obama and the Democrats have spent so much so quickly and so recklessly that now SOMETHING must be done about it, lest we end up as Greece or Italy or Spain. Grover Norquist and his people aren't stupid. Maybe this was the plan all along, to get progressives in a position where we simply have no alternative but to slip the debt monster's neck into a noose and strangle the son of bitch until it dies in order to save the nation. If that's the case, yeah...it'll work but it's awfully strong medicine.
freak80
2012 Mar 6, 3:41am
We're sitting on a demographic time bomb that's in the early stages of blowing up on us.
Pretty much. Whether you're on the "right" or "left" or somewhere else, demographics don't lie. The boomers didn't have enough children to support them (via taxes) in their old age.
Then boomers sold off our industrial infrastructure to China for a quick buck, and now we don't have anything in this country other than fast food and financial speculation.
rootvg
2012 Mar 6, 3:53am
We're sitting on a demographic time bomb that's in the early stages of blowing up on us.
Pretty much. Whether you're on the "right" or "left" or somewhere else, demographics don't lie. The boomers didn't have enough children to support them (via taxes) in their old age.
Then boomers sold off our industrial infrastructure to China for a quick buck, and now we don't have anything in this country other than fast food and financial speculation.
It depends upon where you go. Parts of the south are industrializing quite nicely, and it's not the dirty industry we're all too familiar with in the Rust Belt. VW just opened that plant at Chattanooga. BMW and Mercedes have been building cars and SUVs in South Carolina and Alabama (respectively) since the nineties.
I understand Hershey is moving most of its Pennsylvania operations to Virginia. Disney has a huge data center in (of all places) suburban Columbus. The AT&T data center we point our network traffic to is in downtown Akron, half an hour from where I grew up.
Yes, most of California's aerospace industry is gone. Yes, most of the military bases that supported us for fifty years are also gone. I don't think California ever recovered from the base downsizing in the early nineties. That wound never healed, in my opinion. That's the real reason Stockton is a basket case...although I hear landing on those ~12000 ft runways is a lot of fun for a student. If you can't pass your check ride in that environment, you shouldn't be flying. There's a runway at Castle that was for the B-52 fleet and they say it's 150 ft wide. You almost land a Cessna 150 or 172 sideways!
thomas.wong1986 says
I am whiteokay, I gotta ask: why is your log in name "thomas.wong1986" if you're white?
I never thought you were Asian, you racist dipshit. Maybe you should try keeping people you're being batshit crazy at straight.
At what point did I make a racist comment... show me where and to who .. was it toward black, white, latin, or asian group ?
Scagnetti
2012 Mar 6, 4:28pm
thomas.wong1986 says
I am white
okay, I gotta ask: why is your log in name "thomas.wong1986" if you're white?
I never thought you were Asian, you racist dipshit. Maybe you should try keeping people you're being batshit crazy at straight.
At what point did I make a racist comment... show me where and to who .. was it toward black, white, latin, or asian group ?
You didn't Wong. Its the typical nonsense of challenging someones' opinion and them yelling RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! at you to silence you. Some of us are starting to see through this transparent argument. It's okay to drop your baggage of "white guilt" we have been saddled with.
THAT'S it? THAT is what makes me racist?
What makes anyone who believes white men are marginalized racist is the overwhelming truth that they are not.
If you believe white men are marginalized, you're either a racist or an idiot. The only way you could possibly believe this is if you are fearful of other races (or sexes) having a place in power.
At what point did I make a racist comment... show me where and to who .. was it toward black, white, latin, or asian group ?
When you make comments like:
Should it be 75, 100, or 200 years...and who is to decide that ?
How many black presidents/congressmen must we have until so called discrimination has ended?
How many black CEOs and doctors must we have ?Whats the quota you have in mind...
This all sounds like demands of some marxist guerrilla group holding out in the jungles of Peru demanding some power sharing structure from the government without actually having to do any work.
and
50 years is plenty of time in which success has been acheived.
Again, I remind you of the current president in office.
It shows your racism through and through.
I never claimed that you made a racist comment. I said that you're a racist. You don't have to say "I'm a racist" or use an obvious racial slur or anything to make your racism obvious.
Scagnetti
2012 Mar 6, 5:05pm
The only way you could possibly believe this is if you are fearful of other races (or sexes) having a place in power.
I find this statement hypocritical and funny! If YOU'RE not fearful, why don't you agree to get rid of the form of affirmative action, giving preference to underrepresented groups, we have today! Go for merit, not entitlement. In lots of cases, it can be done.
I suppose you would say we can't get rid of it because of biases in the system and we should try to compensate for "historical injustices". You do understand that government can't change peoples instincts right? All of us, including you, have natural biases in our subconscious. These aren't going to go away because of "forced diversity".
marcus
2012 Mar 6, 11:22pm
Racism today is hypocrisy
When Scag was tying to argue in a very unsubtle way that African Americans and Hispanics are inferior to whites and Asians when it comes to competing academically or in the corporate world you said he was making more sense than I was.
As for the reverse discrimination on an individual level. I understand your claim. But I still say that at this point the desire for diversity in the corporate world transcends affimative action laws, and conservatives are behind it too.
What you might not get is this.
Say you are a white man, who loses out in persuing a job to a latino woman, in spite of your experience and abilities (in your opinion are better than hers).
If the corporation decided that she was very trainable for the job, and she got the job because the value of adding Latino woman to the team, outweighed their perception of the value of your experience, this is their right.
They aren't doing it at this point because of affirmative action. It's just good business for a number of reasons, including the fact that some powerhouse genius who happens to be black or Latino in the future may not be willing to work in a monochrome male environment. Actually, these days a lot of white men or woman from urban environments are going to feel uncomfortable in an all white environment.
IF you want to argue this, your only choice is to argue the value that the corporation puts on diversity. But that value is not racist against whites. We just happen to be the majority soon to be not the majority, and some of us are not taking that in a very intelligent or dignified way.
freak80
2012 Mar 6, 11:59pm
I think the Blue Man Group has the right idea. Paint everybody one color and then all of this racial bullshit will go away.
Then we can direct our natural fighting instincts toward the Big Bankers who own our labor (via debt and dollar debasement)...instead of fighting each other based on skin reflectivity.
I don't know about you, but I'm fed up with this system of "privatize the profits, socialize the losses." That's not capitalism, that's socialism for the rich, as billionaire investor Jim Rogers (no socialist!) put it.
freak80
2012 Mar 7, 12:03am
By the way, most of the Big Bankers are WASPs like me. I think they're scum because they're the biggest "welfare queens" around. When they failed, they got bailouts. The rest of us were stuck with the bill.
That's NOT capitalism! That's crony capitalism!
What a laugher, when white people attempt to pretend what people of color go through on a daily basis. Cry me a fucking river.
Have you ever been pulled over by state troopers and then asked if you recently "crossed the river"? Yeah, this Asian guy was pulled over back in college for having a tan during Spring Break in Texas.
Ever had the college students you teach talk about getting those "sand niggers". Hmmm, that happened in my class at this college in North Carolina when the Iraq War started.
And those Vietnamese success stories that "Wong" is talking about. Check your stats again about them being a Republican voting block. The uneducated parents may vote Republican. Check on how their professional kids vote. My parents voted Republican strictly on an anti-communism basis. That's done. There's other concerns now.
And frankly, Asian high schoolers get the shaft because of the Asian quota. That quota is pretty beneficial to white students. The way affirmative action works for whites in college admissions is "well-roundedness". Hmmm, sounds like a code word for diversity (except for white folks).
So no, I don't think whites are marginalized at all. Try again.
What you lib's will never understand is the concept of "do it for me, do it to me"
Its time all of us to be color blind, all the time, not when it suits us to "forward our own agenda".
Otherwise you are the prejudiced ones, you're the ones focused on color, judging others based on the color of their skin - not on the content of their character, or their qualifications.
CL
2012 Mar 7, 7:04am
This is truly bizarre. I'm not calling you racist to score political points, but it's amazing to me that you racists can't even see your own racism!
And frankly, it will be awesome when Caucasians become the minority in America.
As Louis says:
rootvg
2012 Mar 7, 7:13am
This is truly bizarre. I'm not calling you racist to score political points, but it's amazing to me that you racists can't even see your own racism!
And frankly, it will be awesome when Caucasians become the minority in America.
As Louis says:
In California, they already are.
In Texas and the rest of the deep south, it'll be awhile.
In the Rust Belt? NEVER. I'm from that area and I'm telling you it won't happen because people there won't allow it. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are so deep with European roots, it hurts. My SAP friend there was looking at the donor list for the local library, saying it read like the Warsaw phone directory.
CL
2012 Mar 7, 8:22am
In the Rust Belt? NEVER
Ha. Great. The Midwest can be the next Hazelton, PA! How is that working out for them, post-immigrant hysteria?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
2010 census says, that California is 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White). In what world would white be a minority?
And remember that, although white, the Poles, Irish and Italians were once persona non grata in America. Unfortunately, their memories are short or they would remember when they, as immigrants, were treated thusly.
Bigotry begets bigotry. It's incumbent on this generation to resist the racism that their old, dying parents and grandparents instilled in their progeny. I think they will, and are.
rootvg
2012 Mar 7, 8:39am
In the Rust Belt? NEVER
Ha. Great. The Midwest can be the next Hazelton, PA! How is that working out for them, post-immigrant hysteria?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
2010 census says, that California is 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White). In what world would white be a minority?
And remember that, although white, the Poles, Irish and Italians were once persona non grata in America. Unfortunately, their memories are short or they would remember when they, as immigrants, were treated thusly.
Bigotry begets bigotry. It's incumbent on this generation to resist the racism that their old, dying parents and grandparents instilled in their progeny. I think they will, and are.
Can be? How about IS?
I have relatives in both states, remember? I know where to find good pizza, hoagies and shoo fly pie.
Here again, Tom Tancredo is right. We need some time for our political culture and economy to heal. We need some time (I'm thinking twenty years) for all these groups to assimilate.
You're actually making my point for me.
I find this statement hypocritical and funny! If YOU'RE not fearful, why don't you agree to get rid of the form of affirmative action, giving preference to underrepresented groups, we have today! Go for merit, not entitlement. In lots of cases, it can be done.
...because, due to millenia of discrimination, there's still a gross imbalance in power. I believe Affirmative action remains necessary at this point in time.
With time, and monitoring, I'm optimistic that one day it won't be needed, and there won't be glaring disparities between the races and the sexes, but that's just not the case today.
I suppose you would say we can't get rid of it because of biases in the system and we should try to compensate for "historical injustices". You do understand that government can't change peoples instincts right? All of us, including you, have natural biases in our subconscious. These aren't going to go away because of "forced diversity".
And yet they are. Government ended many forms of institutionalized discrimination, instituted wage equality laws, etc. All of these things have greatly moved the needle. In the last 50 years we've made more progress towards fairness and equality than the previous 5000 years combined.
And those Vietnamese success stories that "Wong" is talking about. Check your stats again about them being a Republican voting block. The uneducated parents may vote Republican. Check on how their professional kids vote. My parents voted Republican strictly on an anti-communism basis. That's done. There's other concerns now.
LOL! kids vote Demo... until they get more mature, and switch to GOP. God Family and Country gene kicks in. And like many othe children of immigrants they vote GOP. Funny how things happen. Their parents are not uneducated, Infact i have known more than a few who came here and right into Calculas and Computer HS Classes later to universities long long ago before their children were born.
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Straight white males between the ages of 18 and 54. As far as I can tell, this is the only group of Americans that can not form a group to promote themselves or their own advancement within American society. Am I wrong?