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Sorry, couldn't resist one final jab...

Matt, thanks for hanging in there with the moderation, buddy. Despite your being a subconsciously sexist trigger-happy censor, I think you're doing a brilliant job!

But what do I know, I'm just an unrepentant chavinist appeaser?
Chauvinism is Prime :twisted:

Where's PeterP....

Toll is off 12% sofar.
Not a great day for home builders
http://tinyurl.com/bl5rm

Affordability dives:

http://tinyurl.com/dpg5e

So we are either entering the much predicted era of landlord aristo-dictatorship, where non-owners treck in MadMax-like packs from apocalyptic outpost to apocalyptic outpost, but in search of housing rather than gas, or the market is going to pull back.

I'm covered either way. If we go all MadMax, my FJ is going to be extremely useful.

Cheers,
prat

I’m covered either way. If we go all MadMax, my FJ is going to be extremely useful

And I'll mount a cannon on my deck, and charge boats for "right of passage".
Who knows...maybe we'll even get "positive cash flow"?

On tangents, trucks, and stuff:

Wow you guys were prolific last night--like bunnies. I missed out on the org--er, I mean, conversation.

Okay, and anyone who doesn't come around here much anymore (ahem...prat) because they feel guilty posting their smart-ass comments, needs to realize that the smart-ass comments provide much needed comic relief from what can at times be dry stuff. Prat, the blog suffers in your absence. And in Surfer-X's absence too.

That Toyota was pretty hot. But I have ridden through the desert in a real Hummer (not one of those candy-ass ones) with actual soldiers driving, and tanks rolling around everywhere, and it rocked. One of the highlights of my young life. :-P Hummers rule.

And sorry guys, Huey Lewis and the News?! You offend me. I can't think of many worse bands. Maybe Starship is worse. Prince ruled the 80s, with his little ass showing and everything.

And sorry guys, Huey Lewis and the News?! You offend me. I can’t think of many worse bands.

huh? Aren't you insulting someones listening favorites?

"huh? Aren’t you insulting someones listening favorites?"

Yes! And I was JOKING! And they KNOW it! :-P I'm all for joking around with you, allah. But don't try to claim you were just joking the other day, because the tone of your post made it clear you weren't. :-P :-P :-P

And if you were joking just now, use some smiley faces or something. Because, due to our history, I'm only able to imagine your tone as antagonistic. :-P :-P :-P

Ooooooh, look out, the claws are coming out! The claws, the big scary claws! And the explosive chemicals are reacting! Oooooh!

Isn’t Prince like 5′2″ or something. Huey beats him on looks at least.

You too SQT? Can't you just love us for our MINDS?

My husband hates Hummers too after having to drive one around the desert for a few years and even living on it. But I still think they rock.

Prince is probably that short, but hey at least he wears high heels. :-P Huey is sooooooo not better looking.

I really just love Prince's music and have no designs on him. I think he's freakishly brilliant, or brilliantly freakish, or something.

A mind is good. But really, do I want to be with a man who’s 8″ shorter than me? Shallow I know, but there it is.

Well now....admit that I am no more a sexist than you are.

Isn't it interesting that we're so biologically programmed to respond to certain physical features that we even choose dogs for pets that look like us?

And on that compelling note, I really need to go get some work done. Sorry I'll miss all the goat play--er, I mean, conversation.

Allah, why do you not reply to so many of my questions? On this thread and the others? I'm hurt. Terribly, terribly hurt. Horribly, irreparably hurt! Woe is me! I'm off to sharpen my long scary nails now.

Oh, I didn't ask you any questions on this thread. Never mind. On the other threads--that's what I meant.

Only when you admit that looks aren’t important to you and that your attraction to your wife had nothing to do with her beauty.

Why would I admit something that is not true....Yes my wife is beautiful, young and has a body of a venus despite the fact that she had a child....However, my relationship with my wife is much deeper than looks. We understand each other and she has the qualities I desire in a Woman. She appreciates my old fashioned values and views. She knows me better than anyone....not only is she my lover, but she is my best friend.

Oh, I didn’t ask you any questions on this thread. Never mind. On the other threads–that’s what I meant.

What questions did I miss?

Only when you admit that looks aren’t important to you and that your attraction to your wife had nothing to do with her beauty.

So why did you want me to admit that? Obviously this doesn't apply to eaither of us....Which brings me back to admit that I am no more a sexist than you are.

You know what really gets me about this sexist calling thing..... A Woman will dress sexy and go out somewhere....A guy will check her out and all of a sudden he is a sexist! Don't tell me Women (alot of them) dress like that because they want to impress other Women........Women don't want to be a sexual object, but they go right ahead and make themselves as sexy as they can........ I just don't understand. Us guys and I do mean all of us (except for Jack) do like to look at Women who dress sexy..... It's our animal instinct and as long as the Women who dress that way continue to do so, we will continue to look (with a careful eye). BTW, my wife understands this and wouldn't get upset with me as long as I don't stare or make it look so obvious. She understands what turns Men on....She understands me and would not try to change me one bit.

Men and Women are truley different species and one should not judge another without walking in the same shoes first.....as in the case of Jack....he may have already (just kidding). :lol:

new topic please!

And do not assume that I am above (or beneath) looking at a woman “that way”…..

(Frankly I enjoy BOTH of those angles…… oh, and sitting across from a woman in a chair with both of us totally naked works really well too for, you know….LOL)

Then that makes you just as much a sexist as the rest of us! I rest my case.

new topic please!

There is no thread bubble.

It's been a long time since I've 'been in the market', so to speak, but I've found that younger women aren't very appearance-focused compared to most men. The one physical feature that reliably seems to attract is that conspicuous bulge in a man's pants --you know the one I'm talking about, ladies? That's right --a man's wallet!

I've observed this tendency just about everywhere, but for some reason, it's especially pronounced in California.

Chauvisim is Prime :twisted:

My husband loves the fact that I married him when he had nothing. See, not all women are mercenary.

Ditto for me --I was poor as a church mouse when I met my wife, and it didn't matter to her. One reason why I fell in love and married her!

I agree that it is fair for a man to watch his bank account once he has gained a certain level of financial success. The pre-nuptuial agreement has probably saved a lot of fortunes.

Agreed --actually, as women gain more $$ and power, this will work both ways. I would imagine Carly Fiorina, Martha Stewart, Oprah, etc. are in this category.

How about a digression of the digression...

NEW YORK, Nov 8 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks declined on Tuesday after leading home builder Toll Brothers Inc. gave a disappointing outlook for next year, raising concern that the housing sector, an important driver of economic growth, may be slowing.

Shares of Toll Brothers plunged 11.8 percent to $34.78 after the luxury home builder warned new home deliveries and earnings next year would probably fall short of its forecast.

The slide in Toll Brothers' shares helped push the Dow Jones U.S. Home Construction Index down 6.3 percent, its biggest one-day drop since November 2002.

Sexism relates to how one sex views the other.

Exactly....as in.....

Prince ruled the 80s, with his little ass showing and everything.

Now I ask you, does your lovely wife always agree with you?

no.

Do you value her opinions as much when she disagree’s?

yes.

SQT, I value your opinions too....if I didn't, I wouldn't even bother to continue to argue.

And if she didn’t have the “body of a venus” after having children, would you love her less? I would hope not.

Well....I'd have to find another......just kidding,..... I told you our relationship is alot deeper than that.

Good news Frank!

And sorry guys, Huey Lewis and the News?! You offend me. I can’t think of many worse bands. Maybe Starship is worse.

...and I'm not going to let Jamie off so easily...... This statement is no different than what I said that "desperate housewives is garbage". Jamie, for you to be upset with me about that statement and then to make the above statement makes you a hippocrit (never mind the tone statement)..... You obviously do not like Huey and the Starship, otherwise you wouldn't have said it....Nothing wrong with that, we all have our likes and dislikes. Your defense before about tone, stinks...here are some smileys :):):):) . BTW there were no smileys in the above statement. You getting angry at me before only proves that you didn't want to miss a golden opportunity to attack Allah.

I do think Jamie was kidding about Prince’s behind though. You have to admit he did like to put it on display.

...and SQT that is fine, but I bet that if a guy (especially me) were to make a TNA statement about someone like Britney Spears, you two would be all over him like hair on a gorilla. :):):) (some smileys to smooth the tone).

I don’t know anyone who has used one of these crazy loans personally.

There are a hell of a lot of people in this country and I know you don't know them all personally,......but there are alot of young people who are using these loans.

"…and I’m not going to let Jamie off so easily…… This statement is no different than what I said that “desperate housewives is garbage”. Jamie, for you to be upset with me about that statement "

Allah, talking to you is like talking to the wall, if this is how well you listen to me. I repeatedly bring up valid points you could respond to, but instead you ignore them. And no, I'm not going to do the work of digging up whatever you haven't responded to. You clearly don't consider my posts important enough to read and consider thoughtfully, and that's okay. Just stop talking to me--it's wasting my time.

I have already stated *exactly* what offended me about your your previous Desperate Housewives statement--probably several times--and it was NOT the judgment that any one TV show is garbage. I frankly agree that Desperate Housewives has a certain garbage-y quality about it, but I also find it entertaining and don't really care what you think of my entertainment choices.

What bothered me was that you first posted that link, and then when I responded to it seriously, instead of answering me seriously, you gave me something along the lines of whatever, I didn't know you watched that kind of garbage.

It was your argument tactic that bothered me, especially given the history of our previous conversations. You dismissed me with an insult instead of engaging me in a serious conversation. That's it. That's what bothered me.

And I cannot believe I am having to have this conversation AGAIN!

"…and SQT that is fine, but I bet that if a guy (especially me) were to make a TNA statement about someone like Britney Spears, you two would be all over him like hair on a gorilla. "

I have seen some very lascivious comments on this blog about women, and I've never been bothered by them, because they were always said in a joking way. Big deal. It's no secret what men like. It's all about the tone, and your tone is consistently so morosely serious that there's no way I could interpret what you say as a joke.

Regarding my comments on Prince's ass, really, what did I say that's sexist? Is it sexist to acknowledge that he has an ass and wore pants that exposed it completely? I stated a fact, in a joking way. I've rarely say anything to SQT or prat that isn't a joke, so I always assume they know I'm kidding them. If you were truly offended by it, then I apologize for stating that Prince has a little ass.

This is the most absurd conversation I've had in my life. (And by the way, if you want to believe I'm a sexist hypocrite, please, do so. It's OKAY.)

I don’t know anyone who has used one of these crazy loans personally.

Most of my friends are using IO or Option ARM.

"Your defense before about tone, stinks…"

See, this is why I stated in the first place that we're on such different pages, we're reading completely different books. You don't get most of what i say, and big deal. That's fine. But please in the future ignore me, and I will ignore you. I think tone is extremely important in commucating in writing. I do it for a living, so I think I can state this with some certainty.

"here are some smileys :):):) . BTW there were no smileys in the above statement. "

There were no smileys because they knew I was joking. I requested that you use some emoticons if you were joking because I've only ever interpreted your tone as earnest and serious and occasionally frustrated or annoyed.

"You getting angry at me before only proves that you didn’t want to miss a golden opportunity to attack Allah."

I never got angry at you. Please show me where I communicated anger. I was and am vaguely annoyed, but that's another emotion entirely.

BTW, tangent = sushi

hmmm maybe dim sum

Which are your favorite dim sum restaurants?

Jamie,

When we had the argument about Women having a hard time getting back into the workforce, you disagreed......and you threw it back in my face as some kind of an attack on Women...I don't know why! Perhaps just because I said it and any attempt for me to clarify it failed because you were on the defensive. I know many Women who went through this...and I told you this before...... When I saw that article, I read it and noticed it was written by a Woman describing the exact thing that I was trying to get across. I figure that if I sent you this link, I would MIGHT get across to you, but I didn't because it seemed that you probably didn't even read it.....That is why I said "whatever"..... see for yourself........

Allah, I don’t know what I’m supposed to be getting angry about here. It’s not like some big secret that mothers suffer discrimination in the workplace–it’s such common knowledge that Desperate Housewives has a whole storyline about the issue.

The article was about Mothers having a problem getting back into the workforce....The article has comments from REAL Mothers who describe exactly what happened when THEY went to interviews.....this is REAL LIFE, not phoney made up comedy script like desperate housewives...that is why I said I really didn’t know you watched garbage like that.

I’d like to drop this subject completely, because clearly I accomplished nothing the first time we debated this issue. Your thinking I’d get pissed off about the article shows that we’re on such different pages, we’re not even reading the same book.

You disagreed with me before and you got PISSED OFF....since the article explains the same EXACT thing I was trying to get across to you, I figured maybe you'd get mad since you did the last time when it came from my keyboard. I figured maybe if you heard it from the keys of another Woman, I would have made my point.

Theory: the more *off topic* we get, the more the actual topic becomes interesting!

Item! We go off on this tangent, Toll misses and the MSM really starts doom-and-glooming it!

Item! We go off on this tangent , and the MSM puts out affordability sob-stories!

Item! I got a haircut today. Very military-ish. I'm practicing for the coming aristo-landlord wars.

Item! Jamie, whatever her other wonderful qualities may be, is apparently

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mentally
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retarded
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when it comes to taste in music.

That's the p-p-p-p-Power of Love!

Can you feel it?
prat

I have seen some very lascivious comments on this blog about women, and I’ve never been bothered by them, because they were always said in a joking way. Big deal. It’s no secret what men like. It’s all about the tone, and your tone is consistently so morosely serious that there’s no way I could interpret what you say as a joke.

I joke around just like anybody else...what is this your tone is consistently so morosely serious I don't know where you get the tone thing from...just because I don't always use emoticons? :) :) :) Allah is not allowed to joke around? :) :) :)

Regarding my comments on Prince’s ass, really, what did I say that’s sexist? Is it sexist to acknowledge that he has an ass and wore pants that exposed it completely? I stated a fact, in a joking way. I’ve rarely say anything to SQT or prat that isn’t a joke, so I always assume they know I’m kidding them. If you were truly offended by it, then I apologize for stating that Prince has a little ass.

I don't get offended by anything like this at all.....In fact I don't get offended by most of the stuff people say.....but I know that if I started mentioning something gender related it's like pulling a pin out of a grenade. :) :) :) (to smooth the morose tone) :) :) :) being labeled as a sexist when everyone who really knows me can tell you that I am not, that is what offends me. Sorry if my writing skills don't show you my emotions, I don't claim to be a professional writer.