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"I came here for a good argument!"

Everyone enjoys a bit of argument, it's not pointless. If it gives you pleasure and exercises some muscles, then feel no shame about it!

Hmmm.... the same applies to some other social interactions....

Ah the "argument clinic." Isn't that what all internet forums ultimately are? ;-)

That's the problem, I come here to vent, but nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

I'm not looking for arguments, I come here to post acute observations of what is going on in politics in Washington. As an independent, I started out poking a bipartisan finger at both parties. I find that does not sit well with the Patnet Liberals, they refuse to let a good old fashioned Bitching about politics in Washington go by, with out answering the threads that were not posed as a question. They like to inject that everything is 100% the republican's fault. It's pathetic really, these folks are either paid shills or delusional of the highest order.

I am willing to argue the state of peoples minds, that are arguing about the what are on the politicians minds in Washington. But I try not waste to much time arguing about what are on those politicians minds. There actions are clear enough, do we really need to debate, who these Bastards serve?

Delving into this further, the problem I have with the aforementioned bickering is that there is nothing wrong with debating things. But the way it seems to be done-especially online- is that it isn't constructive. Instead of someone coming on board and saying they are either concerned or in disagreement with something and then put forth some ideas, instead its more about posting statements. Additionally, the statements usually place blame on the "other side" while at the same time reinforcing their party or political position. There is absolutely no intent to entertain the other side's notions.

edvard2 says

Delving into this further, the problem I have with the aforementioned bickering is that there is nothing wrong with debating things. But the way it seems to be done-especially online- is that it isn't constructive.

But I paid 5 pounds for this argument. I expect 5 minutes-worth of an argument.

TPB says

I'm not looking for arguments, I come here to post acute observations of what is going on in politics in Washington.

It may start that way inside your head.

However what comes out on the forum is often gibberish.

Perhaps you have a condition interesting enough for study.

Vicente says

Perhaps you have a condition interesting enough for study.

Perhaps, How much could I make on a gig like that?

To mix it up a bit and make things interesting - how about deliberately adopting the "wrong" opinion, or point of view, and try to support it as poorly as possible... In other words, try NOT to be "right" or "correct" in any given disagreement - by simply redefining a "win" as a "lose" and a "lose" as a "win" - you can be completely lazy and not even try - yet still "win" the argument and come out on top (by the now redefined meaning of a "win")!!! You do not need the consent of those you argue with to adopt this approach, either. Delusionnal thinking maybe - but who CARES - you get to "win". CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY! For example: the Dodgers lose to the Lakers in a game, and I can still claim that the Lakers are the better team and that they actually "won" because they "lost".... Dodgerg V. Lakers??? Who won? Who lost? Who CARES anymore? It's just laundry and overpaid participants!!! When you adopt this method of argument, another unintended - yet pleasant - side effect is that you tend to not get upset wheather your "right" or "wrong", wheather you "win" or "lose", and you also get a kick out of other peoples' reaction to your argument methodology... they tend to get pissed off and not want to talk to you anymore - thus a "win-win" as they say.......

What the other writer "CLOUD" says here is correct. The public are largely fools that do not have the facts and reality. That is a huge part of why the political debates go nowhere.

The reason is largely the gov/big corp/banker controlled media lies, and the deficit spending which has hidden the truth. Right now the FedGov spends 26% of GDP while Fed taxes are 17% of GDP. So we have a -9% GDP deficit/year.

That is horrible enough, but add in the trade deficit, and the state losses, and and we are bleeding from every orifice of our body.

(BTW: the FedGov only spent 0.13% of GDP in 1913.)

If the Reps want more military, and if they actually were TAXED to pay for it, they'd be changing their minds real quick.

If the Dems want more social spending, and if they actually were TAXED to pay for it, they'd be changing their minds real quick.

Deficit Spending = Disneyland, and Disneyland is closing.
Just look at Europe. It ain't fun. Our turn is coming very soon.

Free lunch time is over. Reality is coming. Neither party represents reality, with the exception of Ron Paul. He is the only one telling people the truth, and most people don't want to hear the truth, they want to keep living in Disneyland.

So we are all riding in a plane out of gas, in a death spiral headed towards the ground. Yet most of the idiots on board want to spend their time arguing over whether they get the Vodka or Rum drinks for Free.

That is exactly how insane all of this actually is. When the plane hits the ground, the type of Free drinks ain't going to matter anymore.

After the things that Bush has done, and now the things that Obama has done, you would think more people would have realized these are all just banker puppets: Reps or Dems there is no difference.

Electing more puppets won't stop the plane from crashing. They are only offering you more Free drinks just to get elected, and to keep you happy and stupid, while the plane crashes into the ground.

Wake up folks. You have a rare opportunity to elect someone who is telling you the truth for once, and has the backbone, courage, and character to stand up to and expose the corruption.

Famous quote: "The people get the government they deserve."

Yeah, whatever man - you guys are just tryin to WIN again. So now you lose.....