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The news is not necessarily the truth. Don't "rush to jusgement", if the glove don't fit you must acquit. In America a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, just in case you forgot.

The law was Not intended to give...blah, blah, blah. The law of unintended consequences is at work here. Thats something liberals are never concerned with. It seems they lack the 'cause and effect' gene.

They prefer to have the appearance of doing good, without being concerned about the wreckage caused as a RESULT of their never ending oppressive laws. Case in point: The Community Reinvestment Act. We've been experiencing the damage caused by that FEEL GOOD LAW since 2006...and there's possibly three to five years to go before things are stablized.

Three to five is what the politicians should have gotten. Carter, Clinton, Barney, and the rest of the scum bags involved. Sociopaths, white collar criminals, the emeny within, financial terrorists.

Dan, skin tone is something liberals are concerned with, though all liberals will deny it. True conservatives, on the other hand, judge everyone by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin. You seem to have a lot of inner anger and rage.

Get some rest, take some aspirin, read LIberty Defined, and you'll feel better.

The thing that bothers me, is how they are making this a race issue. And you hit the nail on the head with this title. This isn't about race, it's about the Condo Commando and the "Florida's stand your ground law".
The problem is people are now trying to make it a race issue, that is why the opposition is able to pull the "FSYG" law out of their ass for a counter argument.

How come it just can't be against the law for Goober Gomez to randomly shoot people, especially when the 911 official told him not to follow the kid. We got enough to hang this creep on, why does race have to play into it?

Abe, what on Earth are you talking about?

Zimmerman calls Kid a "F**king Coon" on 911 call, is told not to follow Kid, does so anyway.
http://www.VZERsNpe9Hc

I can't help but wonder if Zimmerman has a family member who is a cop or something. The reason I say this is that Zimmerman got into a brawl with a cop and was charged for it several years ago. His treatment by police gives me a feeling they went out of their way to let him off.

As for self-defense, 90% of the time if somebody shoot somebody else, they charge you anyway - even if the self-defense was obvious, like shooting a stranger who is on the 2nd floor of your house at 3AM.

They let this guy go and gave him his gun back right away.

It's not racism? Check out these Fox News comments:

What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!”

[…]

Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card.

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No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America.

[…]

Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police.

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17 = child. LOL!!!!!!

Let the LIB word games begin.

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Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator.

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Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does??

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Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA!

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Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!!

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In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood….

but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have:

the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and

the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business!

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Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons.

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Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules

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What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning!

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Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!!

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How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian

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maybe his gang brothers incited violence too?

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How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place?

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Them monkeys can jump!

Referenced by from LGF here:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40088_Fox_News_Commenters_React_to_Trayvon_Martin-_Good_Shot_Zimmy

Note Fox News apparently eliminated all comments from this article. There were more than 3000 at one point.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/19/department-justice-opens-investigation-into-case-black-teenager-killed-by/3/#comment

Yeah, Fox totally deleted all 3000+ mostly racist comments. All the other articles on Fox News have a comment button to the left of the Facebook icon. It's missing from the "Department of Justice..." article referenced above.

17 year old dies due to gunshot wound in Florida.
Case Open.

911 tape verifies shooter followed victim after being instructed to not do so and uses racial slur.
Case closed.

A manslaughter conviction at least is in this guy's future.

TPB says

We got enough to hang this creep on, why does race have to play into it?

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

Now, I'm not for prosecuting Zimmerman for "violating federal civil rights statutes". I'm for prosecuting him for murder. But that murder was the result of racist xenophobia, and you cannot honestly discuss this case without dealing with that.

Do black teenager boys need to carry AK-47s to protect themselves from irrational neighborhood watch captains?

david1 says

A manslaughter conviction at least is in this guy's future.

That would be a tragedy of justice for a premeditated murder. If one of the boy's family decided to get revenge and kill Zimmerman or one of his children, should the revenge taker get only manslaughter?

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.
And it wont go any further than a senseless random robbery and violence rap. There wont be any Race parade, or Al Sharpton trying to get to the bottom of it. A lone ass hole running around the neighborhood randomly shooting people, is just that. To begin with, the guy is already suffering from social and mental problems(Not that those traits should be grounds for excuse) to begin with. This guy is touched in the head no differently than Leroy on Cell block 8, that shot 4 white people while robbing a 7-11. Leroy didn't catch no race or hate crime rap. What a crock of shit that is anyway. Unless the pain one afflicts on another human being was an accident, then they are all Hate crimes. But I guess Gomer Gomez being half white, then he gets a hate rap. Which is why the white liberals are going to fuck this case up. Because Gomer Gomez is half a "minority" too.
Maybe we should lock all of the Zimmermans up on his fathers side.

This Zimmerman character had no business with a gun, much less out prowling the neighborhood looking for wrong doers.
These self proclaimed Condo Commandos are a detriment to society and should be stopped and made to leave the Law enforcement up to the professionals. By making this a race issue, then we are just deferring the issue, until Leo Weinstein the 60 year old high strung Citizens patrol goes off the handle and shoots someone, because his condo community watch gig went to his tightly wrapped head.
Or Jean Baptise the Haitian wannabe security guard shoots someone for telling his to fuck off, when Jean questioned their right to be on the property.

The point is people like the two I just mentioned happen every day in this country. And we again and again allow these crazy psychopaths that were rejected from law enforcement to become self appointed community cops.

The Black and White Bullshit part of this story, does what exactly?

Is it OK if both parties had been white or black or even two Jews going at it?

I don't get it, just more race bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to tie a rope to Gomer Gomez's ankle and the other end of the rope to a catapult and fling him into a burning brick wall. But for different reasons than everyone else.

Dan8267 says

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

No Gomer Gomez followed the kid because Gomer is a dangerous individual.

But since we're going there. Here allow me...

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

TPB says

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

I'll ask this again because it's really so fucking important. And it would be really interesting to see what constitutes racial and hate crimes, with this lot.

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

TPB says

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.

That's not legal either. What color is the sky in your world?

If a black guy shot and killed a white guy with 6 bullets, we'd be calling for his arrest for murder as well. Although in your example, I think it's second degree. In the case of Zimmerman, it's first degree. P remediation and stalking the prey counts.

TPB says

The Black and White Bullshit part of this story, does what exactly?

It illustrates motive and a recurring problem that causes violence.

TPB says

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to tie a rope to Gomer Gomez's ankle and the other end of the rope to a catapult and fling him into a burning brick wall. But for different reasons than everyone else.

No, we all want him punished for the same reasons: first degree murder. Were we differ is how we can change society so that it doesn't produce more Zimmermans.

TPB says

Dan8267 says

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

No Gomer Gomez followed the kid because Gomer is a dangerous individual.

Who is Gomer Gomez and what does he have to do with this story?

TPB says

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

No. You don't get to shoot people because they insult you. And it's not illegal to be racist. It's illegal to commit acts of violence. However, discussing a violent crime that is motivated by racism without acknowledging that motive is disingenuous.

TPB says

TPB says

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

I'll ask this again because it's really so fucking important.

And I'll answer it again: No!

TPB says

And it would be really interesting to see what constitutes racial and hate crimes, with this lot.

I'm not in favor of "hate crime" legislation myself. The justification for "hate crime" laws is that the criminal is terrorizing an entire community rather than an individual. But we have anti-terrorism and anti-conspiracy laws for that.

I'm not saying that Zimmerman should be punished more because his crime was racially motive. But I am acknowledging that his crime was racially motive because it's important to acknowledge evil and how it works in order to defeat it.

Racism is a form of xenophobia, which causes humans to become irrationally violent. Stranger danger is another form of xenophobia and it has the same effect. Acknowledging that fear of Muslims and black men is blow way out of proportion is part of the process of stopping irrational humans from making stupid decisions that result in the deaths of innocents.

TPB says

r Context CONTEXT People!

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.
And it wont go any further than a senseless random robbery and violence rap.

It would not be a hate crime, because black on white violence happens every single day in every town in America, and not once, has it EVER been called a race or a hate crime.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1406104

Happy now? read carefully the ACLU responses.