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309   Blue   2022 Oct 20, 1:55am  

Patrick says

Yes, Cliffs of Moher.

They resembles to Channel Islands National Park.
310   cisTits   2022 Oct 29, 4:36pm  

What's this 'You hit your new thread limit for the day' bullshit, @Patrick?

Some shit comes my way in 'spurts' and are low shelf-life, like election or Ukraine war stuff.
311   Patrick   2022 Oct 29, 9:37pm  

@citTits I don't remember putting that in, but must have.

I see now it's 7 new threads per day. I kinda remember that someone was trying to spam the forum with new threads at some point.

Sorry about that.
312   Patrick   2022 Oct 31, 4:11pm  

I think I've got image tagging working.

Below any image wider than 300px, you will see an "add tag" button.

You can click it, enter a tag, and then that image will be tagged with your tag, which allows much easier search of images (if you know the tag to search by).

All the tags will start with _ because:

1. # does not work in urls, being reserved for within-page links
2. _ will add some uniqueness so that you can search otherwise common words and get a limited set of relevant result images

The tags are stored in the "alt" property of the image, so the author of the comment or post with an image can go in and manually add, change, or delete a tag on any image he or she posted.
314   Patrick   2022 Oct 31, 5:07pm  

@zzyzzx OK, did it.

Now this is the definitive thread for the Pelosi attack:

https://patrick.net/post/1377463/2022-10-28-pelosi-s-husband-threatens-to-release
315   Hircus   2022 Nov 2, 7:16pm  

@patrick

I tried out tesseract today (an ocr lib) and it was easy to use. I was thinking maybe you could use it to make the text in images searchable. Tags still fill the void when the image doesn't contain any relevant text, but many images on here contain headlines, and so might be useful if they were searchable.


// npm install tesseract
// fyi I used node 18.12.0
const Tesseract = require('tesseract.js')
let filename = 'npr.png'

Tesseract.recognize(filename)
.catch(err => console.error(err))
.then(function (result) {
console.log(result)
console.log(result.data.text)
process.exit(0)
})



result of console.log(result.data.text)
m K@su L SIGNIN i NPR SHOP
[E] NEWS X CULTURE J MUSIC () PODCASTS & SHOWS Q SEARCH >
TECHNOLOGY
4] . .
Elon Musk said Twitter wouldn't become
v a 'hellscape.’ It's already changing
E October 31}, 2022 - 4:'?9 PMET
‘v‘ gs Considered
fl SHANNON BOND


from



I think it worked pretty well out of the box w/ default settings! It still worked w/ my network cable unplugged, so they aren't calling some web spyware service to accomplish it - its done locally.

Maybe an implementation could be something like

CREATE TABLE image_words (
post_id INT,
file_name VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
words VARCHAR(20000),
created_at DATETIME DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP NOT NULL,
most_recent_ocr_attempt DATETIME,
most_recent_ocr_success DATETIME,
FULLTEXT KEY (words),
-- I'm not sure which of the following indexes would work best w/ mysql for the query, but one of them should work well I think.
INDEX dates1 (most_recent_ocr_success, most_recent_ocr_attempt, created_at),
INDEX dates2 (most_recent_ocr_attempt, created_at)
);

-- Have a background worker run this query and process the results every X minutes.

-- Find rows that have not been successfully processed yet.
-- If an attempt was made on a row, but it failed, we try to process it again but not for at least a week.
-- The reason we process newest first is a similar reason for why we wait 1 week before reattempting
-- a failed row - this query+table is basically a queue, and we want to make sure we don't eventually clog the head of the queue up
-- with stuff that keeps failing over and over, which might prevent the worker from ever consuming fresh work that it
-- can succeed with. Let it try the new stuff first, and then if it has spare time, it can reattempt failed stuff.
select *
from image_words
where most_recent_ocr_success is null
and (
most_recent_ocr_attempt < CURRENT_TIMESTAMP - interval 1 week
or
most_recent_ocr_attempt is null
)
order
by created_at desc
limit 100

316   Patrick   2022 Nov 3, 7:46pm  

Hircus says

I tried out tesseract today (an ocr lib) and it was easy to use. I was thinking maybe you could use it to make the text in images searchable. Tags still fill the void when the image doesn't contain any relevant text, but many images on here contain headlines, and so might be useful if they were searchable.


I will try this. Thanks @Hircus
317   Patrick   2022 Nov 4, 3:49pm  

"npm install --save tesseract" failed:


npm ERR! gyp info spawn make
npm ERR! gyp info spawn args [ 'BUILDTYPE=Release', '-C', 'build' ]
npm ERR! ../src/tesseract_bindings.cc:7: warning: "BUILDING_NODE_EXTENSION" redefined
npm ERR! 7 | #define BUILDING_NODE_EXTENSION
npm ERR! |
npm ERR! : note: this is the location of the previous definition
npm ERR! In file included from ../src/tesseract_bindings.cc:9:
npm ERR! ../src/tesseract_baseapi.h:10:10: fatal error: baseapi.h: No such file or directory
npm ERR! 10 | #include
npm ERR! | ^~~~~~~~~~~
npm ERR! compilation terminated.
npm ERR! make: * [tesseract_bindings.target.mk:125: Release/obj.target/tesseract_bindings/src/tesseract_bindings.o] Error 1
npm ERR! gyp ERR! build error
npm ERR! gyp ERR! stack Error: `make` failed with exit code: 2
npm ERR! gyp ERR! stack at ChildProcess.onExit (/usr/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/node-gyp/lib/build.js:194:23)
npm ERR! gyp ERR! stack at ChildProcess.emit (node:events:390:28)
npm ERR! gyp ERR! stack at Process.ChildProcess._handle.onexit (node:internal/child_process:290:12)
npm ERR! gyp ERR! System Linux 5.10.0-14-amd64
npm ERR! gyp ERR! command "/usr/bin/node" "/usr/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/node-gyp/bin/node-gyp.js" "rebuild"
npm ERR! gyp ERR! cwd /home/patrick/webfam.net/server/node_modules/tesseract
npm ERR! gyp ERR! node -v v17.2.0
npm ERR! gyp ERR! node-gyp -v v8.4.0
npm ERR! gyp ERR! not ok
319   Patrick   2022 Nov 4, 7:54pm  

Good suggestion. I didn't consider that.
320   stereotomy   2022 Nov 7, 1:48pm  

Periodically, I'm unable to post replies, and receive an "Invalid Nonce" error message. If I try the better part of a day later, I'm able to eventually post my reply. Is this the result of an intrinsic or an external cause?
321   Patrick   2022 Nov 7, 1:52pm  

@stereotomy

It's because of a poorly thought out system for stopping XSS. Mostly it happens when people start to edit a post or comment, and then submit it more than two hours after they started it.

I will fix it so that never happens. Thanks for the reminder to do that.
322   Tenpoundbass   2022 Nov 26, 7:48am  

Patrick do you have a way to aggregate all of the individual posts on Politicians, that you have been posting in the past year or so?
They could use their own section like Memes, Latest Images, ect. It would be nice to have a repository on the internet, that keeps the score of politicians as they rise through the ranks, then try to sell themselves as champions that their track record says otherwise. The media then hides or misrepresents those politician's track record, depending on if they are trying to bolster or destroy them.
323   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 7:57am  

Thanks @Tenpoundbass

I got a list of all 535 Congressmen and created a thread for each of them on May 31. You can add images, memes, or whatever to any of those as usual.

You can search for any of them by name, but you'd like some kind of search that lists them all at once, right?
324   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Nov 26, 8:05am  

It might be on my end, but I notice now I'm getting automaticly logged out every week or so. Not the biggest deal, more a minor inconvenience.
325   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 8:10am  

@GreaterNYCDude Huh, that should not happen and I have not noticed it myself.

Being logged in on patrick.net just means having a cookie in your browser that is an encrypted version of your password.

Sometimes people have their browser set to erase all cookies when they quit the browser. Could that be it?
326   cisTits   2022 Nov 26, 10:23am  

GreaterNYCDude says


It might be on my end, but I notice now I'm getting automaticly logged out every week or so. Not the biggest deal, more a minor inconvenience.


Same here. It is a recent thing.
327   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 10:51am  

@cisTits @GreaterNYCDude

Can you look at the cookie expiration date in your browser's dev tools? For me, it looks like this:



(Don't paste the actual value of your cookie here or others can see it and become you.)

So the expiration date for the cookie in my browser is about 6 months from now.
328   Tenpoundbass   2022 Nov 26, 11:18am  

Patrick says

You can search for any of them by name, but you'd like some kind of search that lists them all at once, right?


Yes a searchable section dedicated to politicians, by office and party.
Perhaps on down the road, then I would like to be able make api calls to your Critter Catcher, you could become the go to source for such crowd sourced repository. Like the Craigslist, Wiki, or Facebook of who's who elected officials and would be candidates.

I would like to make a precinct map, and an aide for people to navigate their elected vermin vs heroes getting geo data for that is easy, getting info on the polls records on issues is not.
329   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 11:41am  

Ballotopedia has a lot of the facts:

https://ballotpedia.org/Rand_Paul

But they do not let you write comments about the politicians, I think.
330   cisTits   2022 Nov 26, 11:57am  

Patrick says

cisTits GreaterNYCDude

Can you look at the cookie expiration date in your browser's dev tools? For me, it looks like this:




(Don't paste the actual value of your cookie here or others can see it and become you.)

So the expiration date for the cookie in my browser is about 6 months from now.


No dev tools for duck duck go browser in Android far as I know.
331   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 12:05pm  

Maybe they are deliberately erasing the patrick.net cookie. I don't trust DDG.
332   Tenpoundbass   2022 Nov 26, 1:52pm  

Patrick says

Ballotopedia has a lot of the facts:


Ballotopia is curated glorified facts for some, and regurgitated MSM smears for others. It's not a collection of posted articles with discussions as they happened. The media likes to rewrite history and play selective memory, it would be nice to have the receipts from when the episodes were unfolding before the media can spin and clean it.
333   Tenpoundbass   2022 Nov 26, 4:28pm  

Also with your critter catcher, people will post in them when RINOs vote with Dems on issues, that undermined our interests. Ballotopia only tracks bills they sponsored, not how they voted, or the detriment it had on their base at the time. People forget these events, it would be nice to have a place to replay the tape. We're looking for Backstabbing events, or Hero events, not general official records. Nobody remembers the ramifications of those when the next election cycle comes.
334   Patrick   2022 Nov 26, 7:32pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Yes a searchable section dedicated to politicians, by office and party.
Perhaps on down the road, then I would like to be able make api calls to your Critter Catcher, you could become the go to source for such crowd sourced repository. Like the Craigslist, Wiki, or Facebook of who's who elected officials and would be candidates.


How would this be different from search right now? If you know a Congressman's name and put it in, you will find a page for them.

I do plan to make an API so that people can use patrick.net programatically, or by using the API in an app (though I hate apps).
335   richwicks   2022 Nov 27, 7:51pm  

I have two suggestions:

1) I want the ability to tag a comment do I can refer back to it. Some things take days or weeks to research. I can bookmark them (and do), but it would be nice to have the ability to tag/untag a comment

2) It would be nice to have a list of responses to what I've written. I know this is sent in email, but I think it would be better to have a pull down on responses you need to take note of.
336   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 27, 7:52pm  

richwicks says

I have two suggestions:

1) I want the ability to tag a comment do I can refer back to it. Some things take days or weeks to research. I can bookmark them (and do), but it would be nice to have the ability to tag/untag a comment

2) It would be nice to have a list of responses to what I've written. I know this is sent in email, but I think it would be better to have a pull down on responses you need to take note of.


like favorites? or just searchable tags?
337   richwicks   2022 Nov 27, 9:04pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


richwicks says


I have two suggestions:

1) I want the ability to tag a comment do I can refer back to it. Some things take days or weeks to research. I can bookmark them (and do), but it would be nice to have the ability to tag/untag a comment

2) It would be nice to have a list of responses to what I've written. I know this is sent in email, but I think it would be better to have a pull down on responses you need to take note of.


like favorites? or just searchable tags?



Searchable tags would be nice, but I think that's overkill. Say you can tag a comment with a name, and search based on that..

I'm thinking more like a website favorites.
338   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 2:28pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Yes a searchable section dedicated to politicians, by office and party.


@Tenpoundbass OK, how about this:

https://patrick.net/post/1377838/2022-11-29-us-congressmen-lists
339   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 3:19pm  

richwicks says

Searchable tags would be nice, but I think that's overkill. Say you can tag a comment with a name, and search based on that..


Well, every comment already has a unique id number, and you can find any comment by number like this:

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1902282

Or did you mean a way to give multiple comments the same tag?
340   richwicks   2022 Nov 29, 4:02pm  

Patrick says


Tenpoundbass says


Yes a searchable section dedicated to politicians, by office and party.


Tenpoundbass OK, how about this:

https://patrick.net/post/1377838/2022-11-29-us-congressmen-lists



I think just having a checkmark to the left to tag a post as something you need to follow up on would be nice.

I imagine having a button to the LEFT of a post might be difficult to implement but something like that would be ideal.

Basically, bookmarks for the site is what I suggest.
341   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 4:21pm  

@richwicks OK, something like the existing "pinned" list for threads:

https://patrick.net/pinned?a=Patrick

But for comments instead, right?

It wouldn't say why you pinned a comment, but hopefully you'd remember why.
342   richwicks   2022 Nov 29, 4:45pm  

Patrick says

richwicks OK, something like the existing "pinned" list for threads:

https://patrick.net/pinned?a=Patrick

But for comments instead, right?

It wouldn't say why you pinned a comment, but hopefully you'd remember why.


That would be good enough. I mean, I just need to know "I promised to respond to this" - but it takes more than 5 minutes for me to do it. One I have to do, is read a law in Pennsylvania that legalized mail in voting.
343   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 5:08pm  

OK, it's kind of a good time for this, since I was planning to merge the database tables for original threads and comments so that search could be unified. Right now there are separate tables and it's a pain.

After they are unified, then there can be just one kind of search, and one kind of pinning.
344   richwicks   2022 Nov 29, 5:11pm  

Patrick says

OK, it's kind of a good time for this, since I was planning to merge the database tables for original threads and comments so that search could be unified. Right now there are separate tables and it's a pain.

After they are unified, then there can be just one kind of search, and one kind of pinning.


Can I make a suggestion?

Make a PARALLEL system to start with if you're about to do an overhaul. If the underlying database isn't changing, you can run two interfaces at the same time on top of the DB.

Also - BACKUP.
345   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 5:17pm  

I do have a reasonable daily backup system I think. Worst case, one day is lost. Eventually I hope to have all comments immediately mirrored to a different server, but that's time, money, etc.

For the db migration, I plan to take every thread, make the text of it a comment, and have that thread just be a kind of skeleton which just has a bit of metadata and points to the original post content in the comments table.

So everything is going to be a comment. A "thread" will just be a wrapper around the first comment, which is the original post.

The whole site should look and work pretty much the same, except that search and pinning will be just one thing instead of two.
346   richwicks   2022 Nov 29, 5:22pm  

Patrick says

I do have a reasonable daily backup system I think. Worst case, one day is lost. Eventually I hope to have all comments immediately mirrored to a different server, but that's time, money, etc.

For the db migration, I plan to take every thread, make the text of it a comment, and have that thread just be a kind of skeleton which just has a bit of metadata and points to the original post content in the comments table.

So everything is going to be a comment. A "thread" will just be a wrapper around the first comment, which is the original post.

The whole site should look and work pretty much the same, except that search and pinning will be just one thing instead of two.


Again if you like (and you probably don't), I can help you clone this machine and you can run it locally for development. Setting up a website in your home is easy, but the name of the site will change, and you'll need to open ports on your router, and to setup let's encrypt. I can show you how to do all that.
347   Patrick   2022 Nov 29, 6:28pm  

Thanks, but I've got this, no problem.
348   richwicks   2022 Nov 29, 7:06pm  

Patrick says

Thanks, but I've got this, no problem.


Well, I can see you're using Let's Encrypt still and have the script running for it.

Setting up your router to allow 80 and 443 passthrough is all you need to do to test locally at home - and REALLY you don't need that OR Let's Encrypt unless you plan to allow access by the wider world.

All you need to do is clone the virtual machine. To do that, setup a VM that is CLOSE to what you have here, and then use sudo apt --installed to get a list of packages you need and/or are missing.

SMTP won't work though, that's a BITCH to setup on anything other than an "approved" server.

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