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Oh, I get it. If its something i wog agrees with then it must be true, but if its something he doesn't agree with its "FUCKING STUPID AND IGNORANT BULLSHIT FROM THE RADICAL RIGHT".

"oBAMA's State Department decided" hahaha, OF COURSE THEY DID, fool. Call it dishonest, call it liberal spin, oh I know! call it by its Marxist slogan: the ends justify the means.

Bingo, and there you have it comrade.

Obsama is Not a socialist? Perhaps he's closer to being a Communist.

Honest Abe says

Bingo, and there you have it comrade.

Let's be careful here. Abe, Bap, TPTroll and others have seen the "Forward" video, and have to be pretty upset.

On some level they know what's probably going to happen, and they have some reprogramming to do to find a rationale to back up their emotion. Let's give the right wing propaganda machine some time to come up with a way for them to put this all in perspective. But until then, they're lost, and more than a little upset.

Beck is a charlatan who is trying to scare punk mfs into investing in gold so that he can increase the value of his holdings.

still ready to read anything that shows Beck to be what you Obamaites are saying.

I've given that ask more attention than it deserves already. I've told you what he seems to be doing. You didn't challenge any of it. I can only conclude that you're okay with continuing to feel along with him.

Very well.

Ultimately, that feeling isn't going to go away until you start seriously questioning his logic. Yes, that burden is on you, not me, or on anyone else. I vet my sources of information --vet the hell out of them. That's because I'm responsible for the opinions and beliefs I hold; for the facts I quote; for the decisions I make based on all of these things. I am responsible for the information I take in and how it changes me --and it does.

If you honestly want to start doing that --questioning him, vigorously, like you should question all media-- I'll try to help you out. Ask some of these questions: When he relates a bunch of things together like that in that Atlantic piece, what does that imply? Does the implication make sense? Is the burden of proof on him to show that these connections are there? Does he ignore that burden? Or does he ask you to feel that it is met, without really looking --the way a magician shows you one thing that's true while taking your attention from the things that are most critical for discerning what is going on?

It's up to you. You're demanding fish. But you don't need fish. You need to pick up a pole.

.. waiting and waiting ... if he is what you say, prove it. It seems that the whole "feeling" that Beck is wrong is enough for you. His logic works for me. Those that say what he is saying is not true are the ones that should share with me the details of such things. Ready, go.

Bap33 says

.. waiting and waiting ... if he is what you say, prove it. It seems that the whole "feeling" that Beck is wrong is enough for you. His logic works for me. Those that say what he is saying is not true are the ones that should share with me the details of such things. Ready, go.

http://patrick.net/?p=1211686&c=820720#comment-820720

sir, I very plainly said that the site is offering free trail at this time. Please go find and share some of those horrible things Beck has said and done. Please.

Here are a few, if you've forgotten what a clown he is. I can see Bap totally buying the first one. (they're faking you out with all that talk about how it's the right moral thing. Don't let them fool you !!!! Good stuff)

http://www.youtube.com/embed/RO1timWATHE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=pVH_45acqaM

http://www.youtube.com/embed/BAyCNxl8I54&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ka_UWyZ9xf4&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9Tb_mMPD6hw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KAE87Q5Ype0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/W-3nfEaQ_gU&feature=related

note: I did ask for some post-fox stuff. Please.

I do not hear any lies or 1/2 truths in those vids, by the way.

You guys cant call the man the world most evil liar ever, and then produce ZERO examples!! Thats weak.

Now, shall we all take turns putting up some Lord Barry fibs??

next time just type, "I can't, my bad." It's easier.

TallyHo

Bap33 says

next time just type, "I can't,

IT's not that I can't, it's that I won't. How's this, you watch a bunch of Rachel Maddow, and for every lie you find, or anything you feel she falsely infers, I will go find two from post Fox Glenn Beck.

BUt only if I'm convinced you found a real lie or false inference.

Share the link that shows me calling her what Beck has been called on here.

going to bed, adios

Bap33 says

You guys cant call the man the world most evil liar ever, and then produce ZERO examples!! Thats weak.

Umm... no one has called him the word's worst and most evil liar ever. If Beck posted to this forum that he was called "the world['s] most evil liar ever", that would indeed be a lie. In Rupert's empire of liars he probably wasn't even the worst liar there, let alone the entire world.

In case you have not gotten the point yet, I will sum it up for you...

No one here cares about Glenn Beck. During his tenure at FOX "news" Beck did a very good job proving to the critical thinking world that he is not to be trusted. Based on cursory overviews of theBlaze he has given no one here any indication that he has turned over a new leaf. We don't have full time fact checking jobs. We are not going to watch hours of propaganda, taking copious notes, then spend even more hours researching each claim. We just... don't... care...

Don't worry though, I am sure that if his new vehicle becomes popular enough it will get the attention of fact checkers. Also, people will start posting his ridiculous claims here. Then you will get the fact-checking that you seek, and can summarily apply the same willful ignorance used while watching his show and ignore it.

interesting ..
from "Beck tells lies about.... ((fill in liberal/progressive/leftist dream))!!"
to, "we dont care what Beck says".
very interesting, indeed.

Bap33 says

interesting ..

from "Beck tells lies about.... ((fill in liberal/progressive/leftist dream))!!"

to, "we dont care what Beck says".

very interesting, indeed.

Yes, Beck tells lies, so... we don't care about what he says. Do you put a lot of stock in what a known and proven liar says? -- oh wait never mind -- Do you put a lot of stock in what someone says, who Beck tells you is a liar?

We do care that so many seem to gobble up his lies like flies eat shit -- after all can 10 trillion flies be wrong?

The problem is all the people gleefully chewing on his tripe grinning broadly and nodding in agreement when he tells them that it is filet mignon... yeah, them... they all choose to remain willfully ignorant of fact. Regardless of all evidence to the contrary they are going to go to their deathbeds insisting that they were indeed eating filet mignon.

If it was possible to convince those people of Becks deceptions then maybe people would care more...

ok, it is Bush's fault ... depending on what the definition of is is.

You guys really let me down here. I was hoping you would have something more viable than fuzzy feelings of hate towards conservatism, Christianity, America, or whatever it is you figure Beck stands for, that fills you with so much rage and hate.

Bap33 says

Christianity

Beck is a mormon, I don't remember where you fall on the mormons=christians debate.

Funny thing about theBlaze, but I noticed a very negative attitude towards mormons on the pro-mormon = christanity articles. Do most Beck fans even know he is a mormon?

Bap33 says

I am not sure what about Beck you hate, so I just tossed out some common things that progressive/liberal/leftists tend to dis-like

I don't hate Beck per-say, I just think that he is a scumbag who will say or do anything that will make him money. He has latched onto the GOP ditto head money train.

I hate what he has done to the political discourse in our country. I hate that he has chosen to try and divide us as a country. I hate that he uses dishonesty and propaganda techniques to sew confusion and obfuscate facts. I hate that he is part of the machine that has convinced you to shutdown your critical thinking faculties.

I could go on, but it is all along the same lines. Sorry if none of that was on your list of liberal stereotypes.

Bab, you did not answer my question. Is a mormon a christian? You do know that Joseph Smith called your religious views an abomination, and that mormonism is the only true religion, right?

Bap33 says

I was hoping you would have something more viable

leoj707 says

I just think that he is a scumbag who will say or do anything that will make him money. He has latched onto the GOP ditto head money train.

I hate what he has done to the political discourse in our country. I hate that he has chosen to try and divide us as a country. I hate that he uses dishonesty and propaganda techniques to sew confusion and obfuscate facts. I hate that he is part of the machine that has convinced you to shutdown your critical thinking faculties.

Outstanding answer. But don't expect Bap to understand. He thinks Beck is this wise sage who can see through the bs and inform the righteous ones of profound truths.

Honest Abe says

Step two: deport all liberals

Who in the hell would take them?

Castro? Chavez perhaps?

lol leo, you should change your name to ole'!! (notice, this was humor, and just moved one letter-lol)

your list matches my list, but mine has "liberal/leftist/progressive/anti-American sum" in every place that you used "Beck" or referred to him. Well, we at least share a list! Cheers.

At least we all can finally agree that your hatred for Beck is INSPITE of his being truthful. Right?

p.s. you continue to mis-reference the post that had "Christian" in it. I was not calling anyone anything, I was just filling in some common terms "your side" (for lack of terms) uses for things and people they hate .. just like I said already .. but you must be missing it.

Around here we dance a lot around the single biggest reason that we as a species may be doomed.

And that is because people believe what they want to believe.

And worse than that - people with average to below average intelligence can convince themself of almost anything.

Since the fairness doctrine was done away with by Reagan, things have slowly gone further and further toward propaganda being an acceptable substitute for real critical analysis. Beck is just one especially obnoxious example of this.

But it is more than a little scary.

CaptainShuddup says

Who in the hell would take them?

As if the country could survive with a majority of the upper 35% of the IQ distribution gone.

By majority, I mean more than half of the upper 35% is "liberal." I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. If you define liberal as not voting republican these days, I guarantee you it's WAY more than half of that upper 35%.

marcus says

As if the country could survive with a majority of the upper 35% of the IQ distribution gone.

We would manage just fine, if the folks that THINK they know every god damn thing were out of our ephin' way.

Libs are like that pain in the ass lady friend that suddenly becomes an automobile expert, once your hands are in the motor turning wrenches. Asking dumb questions like "Did you check the water?", when your changing the brake pads.

CaptainShuddup says

Libs are like that pain in the ass lady friend that suddenly becomes an automobile expert, once your hands are in the motor turning wrenches.

CaptainShuddup is like that guy who says

"Hold my beer and watch this y'all!"

And when it ends in flaming wreckage and a trip to the ER, somehow it's our fault.

Here hold my doob son...

marcus says

By majority, I mean more than half of the upper 35% is "liberal." I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. If you define liberal as not voting republican these days, I guarantee you it's WAY more than half of that upper 35%.

Don't forget the RINOs who would probably be ousted soon after. That would most likely remove close to all of the top 35%.

Bap33 says

At least we all can finally agree that your hatred for Beck is INSPITE of his being truthful. Right?

No, Beck is a well documented liar. Also, clearly you did not read my post.

leoj707 says

I don't hate Beck per-say...

If you can't bother to read what I write, then why should I bother to respond to your posts?

Bap, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The idea that Beck -- for some unknown reason -- turned over a new leaf after leaving FOX "news" and is now telling all the truth all the time, is indeed an extraordinary claim.

Bap, the onus of proof is on you to show that Beck, 8 months ago, has gone through a miraculous transformation and is now telling the truth all the time.

Bap33 says

p.s. you continue to mis-reference the post that had "Christian" in it.

No, you had said...

Bap33 says

I was hoping you would have something more viable than fuzzy feelings of hate towards conservatism, Christianity, America, or whatever it is you figure Beck stands for...

You were clearly implying that we think Beck stands for christianity. I was just wondering if you think Beck stands for christianity, he being a mormon and all.

So, what is it Bap? Is a mormon a christian? Or, is Beck an anti-christian just like all the stinking liberals you hate.

The liberals could be deported to Cuba. That way they wouldn't feel homesick, they'd feel right at home!

What's a liberal? Good luck with your "all or nothing" thinking, people. There are more than two kinds of people. We have a lot more in common than in difference.

TV is made to get more people watching so that the CPM number is high and advertising time can be sold at a higher dollar value. It's a business. That's all. Pointing to any TV show, or personality as a representative of truth or lie is going to land you in areas of partial understanding(as if there's anything else), since the delivery of truth or lie is not the goal of TV.

Bap33 says

well ... if having 20 million invaders flow into your country and start breeding like crazy, hugely impacting all public services, was such a great idea, more countries would do it.

Isn't this at least a partially reasonable description of how the U.S.A was established?(admittedly, I'm a terrible historian, but some chapters of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" might suggest something like this, for example) So do you just move the bar of time to your liking and think that as long as a given event is benefiting mostly you, the event is okay, but when you think the event is to your detriment, you oppose it? Doesn't that get tricky? Or do you not have any concerns about consistently applying your thoughts to your actions?

Fun, I don't disagree with you. Part of the problem is some things ARE all or nothing:

NEVER put ANY amount of rat poison in food meant for human consumption.

Never put any amount of anti-freeze in liquids meant for human consumption.

Never allow any food stuffs to be contaminated with human or rat poop.

The problem is creeping socialism. The laws which liberals like to cram down everyone's COLLECTIVE throats which endorse socialism/communism unfortunately many times look good, or feel good or seem "fair". But the result is always negative. Its the road to tyranny.

Thats why its got to be "all or nothing" with creeping socialism. As for me I choose "nothing" (no support of socialistic/communistic laws, policies or procedures - nothing).

Glenn Beck probably hasn't told Bap that net migration from Mexico to the U.S. is at or below zero right now.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2250/mexican-immigration-immigrants-illegal-border-enforcement-deportations-migration-flows

Has Glenn Beck been trumping up illegal immigration as a concern on his show recently? Who cares.

leoj707 says

Bap33 says

p.s. you continue to mis-reference the post that had "Christian" in it.

No, you had said...

Bap33 says

I was hoping you would have something more viable than fuzzy feelings of hate towards conservatism, Christianity, America, or whatever it is you figure Beck stands for...

You were clearly implying that we think Beck stands for christianity. I was just wondering if you think Beck stands for christianity, he being a mormon and all.

So, what is it Bap? Is a mormon a christian? Or, is Beck an anti-christian just like all the stinking liberals you hate.

NO, I said, "whatever it is YOU figure Beck stands for." No gray area there, pal. I gave YOU some common favorite targets of your side. Nothing more.

leoj707 says

Bap33 says

At least we all can finally agree that your hatred for Beck is INSPITE of his being truthful. Right?
No, Beck is a well documented liar. Also, clearly you did not read my post.

hmmm ... "well documanted liar" .... but, nothing from you that resembles proof. Odd, no?

Bap33 says

NO, I said, "whatever it is YOU figure Beck stands for." No gray area there, pal. I gave YOU some common favorite targets of your side. Nothing more.

And I asked YOU if a mormon is a christian....well....? I am still waiting to hear your reply.