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That seems to be what contemporary America is all about: money = truth.

Truth, justice, values, religion, etc are sold to the highest bidder.

wthrfrk80 says

Most of rootvg's comments about Asians have been positive, have they not? Like saying Asian immigrants in the US place a very high value on education, for example.

As for the assertion that homosexual behavior is a disorder, the APA said the same thing until the whole "gay movement" began. I'm not a psychologist so I really can't say which view is "correct."

I say what I say about Asians because it's damn fucking difficult for the white kids to compete with them head on in a public school setting. One would think that will change as more of them arrive here and the ones who are already here assimilate into our population but right now, it's tough.

The jokes about wiener size and social awkwardness and pounding dents out of minivans have to be expected.

Lighten up, Francis.

rootvg says

it's damn fucking difficult for the white kids to compete with them head on in a public school setting.

I guess the white kids will have to study harder, haha. ;-)

wthrfrk80 says

Most of rootvg's comments about Asians have been positive, have they not? Like saying Asian immigrants in the US place a very high value on education, for example.

As for the assertion that homosexual behavior is a disorder, the APA said the same thing until the whole "gay movement" began. I'm not a psychologist so I really can't say which view is "correct."

No, most of his comments on Asians have been far from positive. Look back at the sum of his posts, not just the ones right here.
And people used to say the sun revolved around the earth. What is your point?

wthrfrk80 says

That seems to be what contemporary America is all about: money = truth.

Truth, justice, values, religion, etc are sold to the highest bidder.

There are a couple of scenes from the Analyze series of movies with Billy Crystal and Robert DeNiro that are absolutely priceless.

wthrfrk80 says

rootvg says

it's damn fucking difficult for the white kids to compete with them head on in a public school setting.

I guess the white kids will have to study harder, haha. ;-)

They are studying harder, but sometimes (depending on the situation) there's just nothing you can do. The mountain is too steep.

rootvg says

I say what I say about Asians because it's damn fucking difficult for the white kids to compete with them head on in a public school setting. One would think that will change as more of them arrive here and the ones who are already here assimilate into our population but right now, it's tough.

The jokes about wiener size and social awkwardness and pounding dents out of minivans have to be expected.

Someone needs to lighten up.

If that was the sum total of your comments, then nobody would have much of a problem. Unfortunately, it isn't.

rootvg says

They are studying harder, but sometimes (depending on the situation) there's just nothing you can do. The mountain is too steep.

One of my best friends in college was Asian and said that it's only the smartest that get to come to the US to study...which is why it seems like "all Asians are good at math." He joked around saying he hated it when he would walk into a math class and everyone would look at him thinking, "aw crap, there goes the curve..."

Bigsby, I'll grant you the point that we are indeed WAY off topic.

How'd we get from Oakland area RE to this stuff? Oh well...

wthrfrk80 says

rootvg says

They are studying harder, but sometimes (depending on the situation) there's just nothing you can do. The mountain is too steep.

One of my best friends in college was Asian and said that it's only the smartest that get to come to the US to study...which is why it seems like "all Asians are good at math." He joked around saying he hated it when he would walk into a math class and everyone would look at him thinking, "aw crap, there goes the curve..."

Oh, I'm sure.

It's not so easy for them in Political Science, though. They tend to stick with Engineering or Math or Business. The quantitative analysis courses for the average business major are for most of them a joke. I'll bet a lot of them simply test out of it.

wthrfrk80 says

Bigsby, I'll grant you the point that we are indeed WAY off topic.

How'd we get from Oakland area RE to this stuff? Oh well...

Yeah, I'll shut up about all this other shit. It's a deal.

wthrfrk80 says

Bigsby, I'll grant you the point that we are indeed WAY off topic.

How'd we get from Oakland area RE to this stuff? Oh well...

But seemingly, you don't think root's posts, in this and other threads, have been racist and homophobic? Go figure.

rootvg says

wthrfrk80 says

Bigsby, I'll grant you the point that we are indeed WAY off topic.

How'd we get from Oakland area RE to this stuff? Oh well...

Yeah, I'll shut up about all this other shit. It's a deal.

We'll see.

Wow, epic troll spree. OK, back to east bay real estate...

oh Jeez Bigsby just put that bigot on ignore.

Look, Any 1st year psyche student can figure out that Rootvg comes on this site to project his self loathing and guilt after indulging in the very things he hates. Nobody is so obsessed with the behaviour of others unless that have it themselves. He's just a very sick individual and God help him before he really goes out and turns these projections into action. Patrick allows this crap for a reason and it speaks volumes about him as well. I've lurked around for a while now it's appalling at what a trailer park Patrick has allowed it to become. I want no part of this as a participant or observer and I don't know why any intelligent individual who is truly interested in real estate would want to be any part of this either. Let this guy hate himself and stop taking that hatred from him and he will eventually turn that hate back on himself where it originates. Do you really want your world polluted with this creep's negativity and mental problems? Not me so I'm out of here for good. Patrick, when you get some class I might return but not a minute before. Cheers boys and girls!

yaletownman says

Patrick allows this crap for a reason and it speaks volumes about him as well.

Precisely.

I'm out, too.

I think he's an idiot and a total douche, but for christ sake grow a back bone you whiny little bitches.

CrazyMan says

I think he's an idiot and a total douche, but for christ sake grow a back bone you whiny little bitches.

Yeah, there's this really convenient feature called "ignore." Unless one thinks that they are going to "reform" him, they should just use that feature. The guy is a pretty good troll...as he openly states, he has been trolling "progressives" for a long time, and seems to know how to get under their skin. The mistake that a lot of them make is assuming that he is stupid (never ever underestimate your opponent, in battle or otherwise).

I think he's an idiot and a total douche, but for christ sake grow a back bone you whiny little bitches.

Yeah, there's this really convenient feature called "ignore." Unless one thinks that they are going to "reform" him, they should just use that feature. The guy is a pretty good troll...as he openly states, he has been trolling "progressives" for a long time, and seems to know how to get under their skin. The mistake that a lot of them make is assuming that he is stupid (never ever underestimate your opponent, in battle or otherwise).

Whining about the whiners. LMAO!

When I go to a party and the host has invited some drunk asshole that insults everyone and does nothing, I don't ignore them. I leave the party and tell the host thank you for subjecting your guests to your low rent friend and I never return. I'm deleting my account for the same reason I don't hang out in bad neighbourhoods because I prefer to go to good ones where I don't have to subject myself to the crap. There is nothing in this neighbourhood that is appealing enough for me to ignore or stay here. Not even the amusement of actually coming into contact and observing a class of person(s) that I have little to no experience coming into actual contact with. What is that prayer says "accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can", well I've had the privilege of never really have to encounter this kind of trash in my life and I still have the power to continue on that way. It's nice in my neighbourhood, you guys can keep slumming but not me.

Toodles

bmwman91 says

CrazyMan says

I think he's an idiot and a total douche, but for christ sake grow a back bone you whiny little bitches.

Yeah, there's this really convenient feature called "ignore." Unless one thinks that they are going to "reform" him, they should just use that feature. The guy is a pretty good troll...as he openly states, he has been trolling "progressives" for a long time, and seems to know how to get under their skin. The mistake that a lot of them make is assuming that he is stupid (never ever underestimate your opponent, in battle or otherwise).

Why? If he's deliberately trolling this site with racist and homophobic posts, then he should be banned. Personally, I don't particularly see it as trolling - they are simply his abhorrent opinions. Either way, it shouldn't be an issue of others having to press the ignore button, it should be a matter of Patrick warning or banning him.

Bigsby says

Personally, I don't particularly see it as trolling - they are simply his abhorrent opinions.

Nah, he has openly stated that he trolls "progressives" for fun, and that he is trying to prove some point that they can't "let it go" if someone says something that is contrary to their "agenda." I am not sure if trolling is against patnet rules...if so, then it may well be a ban-worthy offense. I'd just expend the 15 Joules of energy & 3 seconds to put him on the ignore list if I were you. If you are worried that you need to fight him to prevent his "message" from spreading...don't...it's not getting too far lol.

Don't feed the trolls.

yaletownman says

When I go to a party and the host has invited some drunk asshole that insults everyone and does nothing, I don't ignore them. I leave the party and tell the host thank you for subjecting your guests to your low rent friend and I never return. I'm deleting my account for the same reason I don't hang out in bad neighbourhoods because I prefer to go to good ones where I don't have to subject myself to the crap. There is nothing in this neighbourhood that is appealing enough for me to ignore or stay here. Not even the amusement of actually coming into contact and observing a class of person(s) that I have little to no experience coming into actual contact with. What is that prayer says "accept the things you cannot change and change the things you can", well I've had the privilege of never really have to encounter this kind of trash in my life and I still have the power to continue on that way. It's nice in my neighbourhood, you guys can keep slumming but not me.

Hi & bye? You registered this account today lol. What's your "regular" screen name on here?

Anyway, I have been looking at stuff up in the Fremont & Hayward hills. It would be great to have easy access to the trails, and maybe some additional peace & quiet. For those that live up there, how's the commute to the SV? I dread going near 880, but some have said that traffic has improved or something. 237 looks nasty! Shit, it seems like I should just stash a power boat somewhere down there & shoot over to Stevens Creek. Hell, I could ride up that, stash it and walk 100ft to my office!

Prices up in the hills are a little high for my liking. Maybe sometime next year they will have fallen a little more, assuming inventories recover.

bmwman91 says

Bigsby says

Personally, I don't particularly see it as trolling - they are simply his abhorrent opinions.

Nah, he has openly stated that he trolls "progressives" for fun, and that he is trying to prove some point that they can't "let it go" if someone says something that is contrary to their "agenda." I am not sure if trolling is against patnet rules...if so, then it may well be a ban-worthy offense. I'd just expend the 15 Joules of energy & 3 seconds to put him on the ignore list if I were you. If you are worried that you need to fight him to prevent his "message" from spreading...don't...it's not getting too far lol.

Don't feed the trolls.

I'd say that it is more to do with him covering his arse when he gets pulled up for spouting his usual clap-trap. It's a pretty typical approach for someone whose views are so indefensible.

yaletownman says

Look, Any 1st year psyche student can figure out that Rootvg comes on this site to project his self loathing and guilt after indulging in the very things he hates. Nobody is so obsessed with the behaviour of others unless that have it themselves.

That's a bad argument, regardless of one's stance on the whole "gay" issue. A lot of people think that certain behaviors are bad w/o actually indulging in it themselves.

For example, I think that loan-sharking is bad behavior. And I rail against it constantly. But believe it or not, I don't have some deeply-repressed desire to do loan-sharking myself. And I don't hate myself. Really.

wthrfrk80 says

That's a bad argument, regardless of one's stance on the whole "gay" issue. A lot of people think that certain behaviors are bad w/o actually indulging in it themselves.

For example, I think that loan-sharking is bad behavior. And I rail against it constantly. But believe it or not, I don't have some deeply-repressed desire to do loan-sharking myself. And I don't hate myself. Really.

Mind, using an inappropriate analogy hardly represents a good argument...

Your argument was that anyone who disapproves of homosexual behavior has a deeply-repressed desire for homosexual beharvior. Is that correct? Is that your assertion?

I gave a counter-example of a situation where someone could disapprove of a behavior and yet NOT have a deeply-repressed desire for said behavior.

If you're going to make an assertion, the "burden of proof" is on you to prove the assertion. The assertion that all (or most) people who disapprove of homosexual behavior are themselves gay is quite a claim. You should probably back it up.

wthrfrk80 says

Your argument was that anyone who disapproves of homosexual behavior has a deeply-repressed desire for homosexual beharvior. Is that correct? Is that your assertion?

I gave a counter-example of a situation where someone could disapprove of a behavior and yet NOT have a deeply-repressed desire for said behavior.

If you're going to make an assertion, the "burden of proof" is on you to prove the assertion. The assertion that all (or most) people who disapprove of homosexual behavior are themselves gay is quite a claim. You should probably back it up.

It wasn't my argument. Keep up.

And I don't agree with his point, but drawing a parallel between an occupation and sexual orientation is clearly a false analogy.

Bigsby says

It wasn't my argument. Keep up.

Do you need me to spell it out for you? The following is a direct quote:

yaletownman says

Look, Any 1st year psyche student can figure out that Rootvg comes on this site to project his self loathing and guilt after indulging in the very things he hates. Nobody is so obsessed with the behaviour of others unless that have it themselves.

You made a totally baseless accusation.

If you don't like Rootvg's opinions, fine. Use the "Ignore" feature. I've already done this with several of the "far right" trolls on here that just repeat whatever they hear on AM radio.

But I don't make bizzarre, baseless accusations against those individuals.

wthrfrk80 says

Bigsby says

It wasn't my argument. Keep up.

Do you need me to spell it out for you? The following is a direct quote:

yaletownman says

Look, Any 1st year psyche student can figure out that Rootvg comes on this site to project his self loathing and guilt after indulging in the very things he hates. Nobody is so obsessed with the behaviour of others unless that have it themselves.

You made a totally baseless accusation.

If you don't like Rootvg's opinions, fine. Use the "Ignore" feature. I've already done this with several of the "far right" trolls that just repeat whatever they hear on AM radio.

But I don't make bizzarre, baseless accusations against those individuals.

Are you daft? Look at the names. Good grief.

Yes I screwed up the names. The noise all starts to sound the same after awhile, regardless of the source.

wthrfrk80 says

Yes I screwed up the names. The noise all starts to sound the same after awhile, regardless of the source.

Not much of an apology...

I apologize for claiming that you made the original argument. I was incorrect.

But you rushed in to defend his "argument" so I stand by my points even if they were directed toward the wrong person.

wthrfrk80 says

I apologize for claiming that you made the original argument. I was incorrect.

But you rushed in to defend his "argument" so I stand by my points even if they were directed toward the wrong person.

Err, I think you need to read what I said once again. I didn't defend his argument at all. What I did was to point out the flaw in your own. It's pretty weak to accuse a poster of making a bad argument by producing your own equally bad argument. That was my point.

bmwman91 says

Anyway, I have been looking at stuff up in the Fremont & Hayward hills. It would be great to have easy access to the trails, and maybe some additional peace & quiet. For those that live up there, how's the commute to the SV? I dread going near 880, but some have said that traffic has improved or something. 237 looks nasty! Shit, it seems like I should just stash a power boat somewhere down there & shoot over to Stevens Creek. Hell, I could ride up that, stash it and walk 100ft to my office!

Prices up in the hills are a little high for my liking. Maybe sometime next year they will have fallen a little more, assuming inventories recover.

BMWman,
i reverse commute on 237 (go east in the AM). That's smooth, but the west in AM, east in PM looks ugly. West in the AM, and S on 880 in AM seems bad as late as 10 am. East 237 in PM is bad past 7 pm.
There is the express lane from 880S to 237W and vice versa, so you could get a BMW motorcycle! or carpool, or pay the toll.
Google Maps now shows the time for a given route, based on current traffic conditions. I tried it a couple times and it was accurate, so you could fiddle around with that. I'm not sure how it handles roads with carpool lanes though. Imagine 237 W in AM; on average the traffic speed may be 30 mph, but it's like that by the 2 right lanes being 20 mph and the carpool lane being 55 mph.

Parts of Fremont are pretty nice, but, it varies widely. Mission San Jose area is nicest, but it's expensive, Cupertino-level. While most of Fremont is the same school district, there's a wide variance, so the part that goes to Mission SJ pays a premium for that. It's risky though; a few years ago they changed the borders so people on the edge, who had paid a premium for MSJ, then lost it.

the eastern part of Milpitas is not bad, actually in the hills there's some nice houses, and the commute is a bit shorter.

Whoa whoa wait...this is a housing thread? I thought it was about...oh wait nevermind. It does say "East Bay is On Fire" so I guess it is about real estate. My bad. ;-)

At first I thought the thread was about another wildfire.

SiO2 says

Parts of Fremont are pretty nice, but, it varies widely. Mission San Jose area is nicest, but it's expensive, Cupertino-level. While most of Fremont is the same school district, there's a wide variance, so the part that goes to Mission SJ pays a premium for that. It's risky though; a few years ago they changed the borders so people on the edge, who had paid a premium for MSJ, then lost it.

the eastern part of Milpitas is not bad, actually in the hills there's some nice houses, and the commute is a bit shorter.

Thanks. What you mention about 237 is sort of what I was expecting. Yeah, I'd rather chock up the bridge toll than pay that much of my time. Then again, 101 to/from Willow Road sucks ass too lol. Maybe that is why rents are shooting up around Mountain View...without wild housing price appreciation, people don't think the commute is worth it. Then again, if traffic so so bad, people obviously live over there!

School districts are not really a concern of mine. My plans only really include 1 kid (3-5 years from now), and I am a big believer that parenting matters more than the school. That, and I can probably just send them to parochial school if the public ones are THAT bad.

So, for now anyway, I think I'll just keep enjoying my "renting for less than buying" setup & my 5 minute bike ride to work...while I still can!

well if you look at the bums living under the freeway underpass every morning on the way to work, most are white. so maybe those asians' mouths were open because they were looking at those...