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GraooGra says

Times are so crazy right now that I really need some kind of faith to stay rational myself. Just convince me some more. I'm losing it...seriously!

I saw your comment in my email, wanted to reply, and then discovered we are neighbors along the 101 corridor.

I am just as perplexed why properties along the 101 corridor from Ventura to Los Angeles are still higher priced than even other California cities. Price certain Orange County cities, Long Beach, and San Diego and you will see for yourself.

True, and apartment is an address, but I do 'want' a small property here.

For whatever it is worth, I have looked online for 3 years, with prices slowly declining in the low end, the pitiful offererings from the banks, and have not once even come close to 'wanting' to put in an offer. For my job, I would need to stay in this area.

Enlarge chart for excitement.
We will never drop to 110 much less 100 because house values only rise.LOL

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/updating-the-case-shiller-100-chart-forecast/

HEY YOU says

Enlarge chart for excitement.
We will never drop to 110 much less 100 because house values only rise.LOL

And also for your entertainment, it wasn't long ago, Mr. Patrick was considered: "Three years ago, plenty of folks considered Patrick Killelea to be a loony tune raving about real estate Armageddon."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/24/BUKCS4NNB.DTL&ao=all

Nothing has really changed regarding the flim/flam aspect of the housing market, it's as dishonest a trade/business as ever, especially with 5-10% foreign investment coming in, on top of the investors the banks have lined up.

It's a game of capital, having connections, and having piles of money sitting around, you either got it or you don't.

APOCALYPSEFUCK isFrank Sinatra says

This guy Lanning shit on the Poobah. Never forget.

Oh! Matt Lanning, he is 'in' the article, one of the criminal psychopaths, got it! thanks, fuck him.

Margaret Has A HorseFace says

Sideways with a utility pole.

LOL! The scum. I don't need to know what he did, he's dog meat..

GraooGra says

I went to the open house this weekend. Nice community built in 1995. At that time there were selling these new homes for $245k (2,700 sq ft). Prices in 2005 were at $845k and now they are at $715k. I don't think they would ever go to 1995 prices but how much you think they would sell for when that bubble bursts completly?

I think that median family income in that area is close to or a little bit over $100k.

I still cannot imagine that these houses would go down as much as to $300k - $350k.

wait or buy elsewhere, these prices do not reflect a sane market. 10 year of inflation perhaps, but now; no.

Foreclosures are starting to spike. Maybe the banks finally figured out that loan mods don't work, and letting underwater owners squat for eternity isn't a profitable business model:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/14/real_estate/foreclosures/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2

Yup, it's simple really. They can pretend things are good on the books by keeping the bad non-performing assets, or actually make money by foreclosing and turning them into performing assets by selling them at market value to people who can actually afford the house.

This choice would be easy for any private enterprise not receiving billions of dollars in government welfare money.

tatupu70 says

Margaret Has A HorseFace says

Whatchya think about that

I think I'm wasting my time with a troll.

Definitely juvenile trolls under the age of 12 and with the analytical skills of a slug. At least Call it Crazy backs up his/her arguments.

Call it Crazy says

I'm still waiting for Tat to back up his....

What are you looking for? I usually post links to back up my facts...

whenever there is a buying mania it's a safe bet to say that there is another bubble in the making... the current buying mania is reminiscent of the heady days of 2004, it definitely does not signify normal sustainable demand.

These are investors trying to make a quick buck gambling that prices will rise OR buyers on the fence thinking they will be priced out forever if they don't act now. We have seen both groups in the bubble that elapsed and we know what happened to the market after that.

Call it Crazy, small favor if possible, but could you stop quoting tatupu70? I originally ignored him because he was turning a lot of threads into bull vs bear troll arguments, I'm not saying his points aren't valid for consideration, but I'm trying to cut down on the clutter so I can read non-emotional-troll post. But since you've been quoting him it's like the arguments are starting all over again.

I think you add a lot to the discussions here, but the petty arguments get tiresome.

Goran_K says

I'm not saying his points aren't valid for consideration, but I'm trying to cut down on the clutter so I can read non-emotional-troll post. But since you've been quoting him it's like the arguments are starting all over again.
I think you add a lot to the discussions here, but the petty arguments get tiresome.

Yes, it's much easier to read posts from only those who agree with you.

Unfortuntately, you'll find that you will be caught off guard quite frequently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

Call it Crazy says

Sorry, I keep telling myself to ignore him but then he states something nuts

Really? Something nuts? Could you please show me one example of anything I've said that could be possibly be interpreted as "nuts"?

Call it Crazy says

I think you're confused.. a link is what I just posted in the Reuters article above.... we haven't seen links from you, just spout-offs...

really?

Do these posts look familiar?

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If there's something I post with no backup, just ask for a source. I'll be happy to post it.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/topics/real-estate/

I think that there are two housing markets. One for rich investors and one for the average home buyer. On many occasions I have looked at Redfin and have seen great homes sold for very low prices. But I suspect that the good deals primarily going to investors, realtors, or others that have an in on the market. The banks will except a low cash offer from and investor before excepting a higher priced offer from an average person with traditional financing. So looking back at the data may show lower priced homes but it most likely was sold to someone with cash. Meanwhile the rest of us home buyers are left competing for the high priced flipped homes. It just not fair :(

Carolyn C says

I think that there are two housing markets. One for rich investors and one for the average home buyer.

Rich people don't see housing as an investment. If they did, they wouldn't be rich in the first place.

If real-estate is an investment, it's one that pays negative dividends in the form of property taxes, insurance, and maintenance. Do you want an investment that pays negative dividends? I do not.

Oh, so there are not investors buying up homes?

Carolyn C says

Oh, so there are not investors buying up homes?

I have no idea. Are they planning on becoming landlords? Or are they just speculating?

If the flood ever comes it won't reach the MLS for would be buyers, they will be scooped up at auctions. You will know when listing starts popping up after being acquired by investors at the auctions.