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Why hate on Obama?


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2012 Jun 15, 12:11am   9,569 views  25 comments

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By all rational accounts, Obama is a moderate. So why is he accused of all manner of socialist anti-American agendas?

from a psych professor
http://www.gazettenet.com/2012/02/03/a-sideways-glance-why-such-hatred-for-obama
Basically, they do it so they can keep their prejudice views that an African American could not achieve the highest job in the land.

The president explains it to a confused 4th grader
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/10/fourth-grader-asks-obama-why-do-people-hate-you/
Basically, he tells the kid to take it with a grain of salt & the president has to take blame for all manner of problems in society.

Clearly there are talk show hosts that are making a killing stoking the fire, but the question is why the message resonates.

#politics

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1   freak80   2012 Jun 15, 12:14am  

Because I heard he was born in Kenya.

2   Dan8267   2012 Jun 15, 3:54am  

Yep, the Republicans hate Obama simply because of either or both of the following: he's black and he plays for the other team. There is no other reason for the Republicans to hate him.

The Republicans are composed of two distinct groups -- maybe with trace elements of other types -- the greedy, godless leaders in Armani suits and the poor, uneducated, often religious, almost always bigoted "social conservative".

For the greedy suits, under Obama
1. Corporate profits are at an all-time high.
2. Capital gains and the income tax brackets for the wealthiest are at or near an all time low (and way lower than the historic norm).
3. Unions and labor continue to lose power.

For the war mongering bigots,
1. Obama has done nothing for African Americans.
2. Drone strikes are up.
3. The wars are raging on.
4. Military spending is up.

Again, if Obama were white and a Republican but did everything exactly the same, both groups of Republicans would be calling him the second coming of Christ.

Which brings me to the reason I hate Obama. He's Bush III.

I'm a liberal, but not a leftist or rightist. Liberal is orthogonal to the left-right line of tyranny. And as a Liberal, I have real, adult reasons to hate Obama, and they all come down to this.

Obama is terrible on human rights issues and civil rights issues.

From the first article,

He ordered the Bin Laden assassination. He is drone-bombing Al Qaeda beyond Bush's wildest dreams.

Yeah, I'm not for that. bin Laden should have been captured alive and brought to NYC answer for his crimes in an open, honest court. Maybe the pussies in Alabama couldn't handle a trial of bin Laden, but New Yorkers can.

New Yorkers are the rudest, meanest people in the world and you can say a lot of bad things about them. But one thing you have to credit New Yorkers with is that they are tough. You have to be tough to live in NYC.

New Yorkers could easily handle a bin Laden trial as one of my favorite ones expresses…

http://www.youtube.com/embed/46pQwwF8uww

Well there are certain sections of New York, major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade. Well said, Rick.

But anyway, the assassination of bin Laden isn't the reason I hate Obama, but it is indicative of the violence over law policies of the Obama/Bush/Cheney administrations that I do hate. But the drone attacks really inspire despise. These drone attacks kill innocent people including children. They are a war crime.

Assassination lists, killing of innocent civilians, the killing of Americans without trial or due process, torture, outsourcing torture, expanding the TSA, rape scanners, warrantless wiretaps, these are just a few of the reasons I hate Obama. And you should hate him, too.

The only question in this election is which side you hate more. And I use the term side loosely because there really is only one side in this election, and it's not yours.

3   Serpentor   2012 Jun 15, 4:00am  

Dan8267 says

The only question in this election is which side you hate more. And I use the term side loosely because there really is only one side in this election, and it's not yours

4   Dan8267   2012 Jun 15, 4:07am  

Simpsons did it better. Unfortunately, I can't find an English YouTube click of the scene...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/U_bIP58O5-w

And that was Ross Perot smashing his hat at the end.

5   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2012 Jun 15, 4:22am  

For some reason, I voted for Bush in 2000. I used to be somewhat libertarian - fiscally conservative and socially liberal. At this point, the republicans have proven to be completely bonkers, and I am now to the left of Obama. My biggest gripe is that he has been a pussy and not stood up to the Republicans on a variety of issues.

It blows my mind that so many people are running around calling Obama a Marxist or socialist.

The big give-in was on health care. He passed a law that IMO was too weak. Maybe he couldn't pass Hillary-care after campaigning against her, but that is what we needed. The only thing that would have made me happy would be to have a public option. That would force the health insurers, which are corrupt corporate welfare recipients as far as I am concerned, to compete. It would also allow any individual to get a fair price on medical care. If someone could self insure but get medicare prices for service, that would be great too.

In an ideal world for me, Obama would have pulled out of the wars and started a new deal type infrastructure program in 2009. But in the real world, the choices are Obama and Mitt, and I'm voting for Obama with no reservations.

6   Tenpoundbass   2012 Jun 15, 5:47am  

YesYNot says

My biggest gripe is that he has been a pussy and not stood up to the Republicans on a variety of issues.

YesYNot says

But in the real world, the choices are Obama and Mitt, and I'm voting for Obama with no reservations.

So your voting for the Republican of the two.

7   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2012 Jun 15, 6:10am  

^to the extent that they are both 'republican' then yes.

Mitt is to the right of Obama. Mitt thinks that cutting taxes on the super rich to the detriment of the economy and cutting the number of teachers, firemen, and police is the way to go. Mitt prefers regressive tax schemes where the poor pay social security taxes that are then used to pay for corporate welfare programs. Mitt is going to shake the etch a sketch and veer more to the center, but he is still going to spew all sorts of nonsense to get the Fox-news-tards to the polls.

Obama has his problems and could easily pass for a republican, but he is a good bit more progressive than Mitt. I'm too practical to do a protest vote. There are other more effective ways to be heard.

Hopefully sensible people will win out. I'd hate to see the effects of a Paul Ryan budget coupled with a Mitt-tax structure on the economy.

8   Dan8267   2012 Jun 15, 6:23am  

YesYNot says

^to the extent that they are both 'republican' then yes.

Mitt is to the right of Obama.

To paraphrase: The devil with the slightly shorter pitch fork is always a good choice when you know where that pitch fork is going.

9   clambo   2012 Jun 15, 6:29am  

Since I don't speak ebonics I don't know what "hating on" means.

10   Tenpoundbass   2012 Jun 15, 6:37am  

YesYNot says

Fox-news-tards

I'm an NPRtard does that count?

And the crap they spew is what is getting me to the poll to vote against them.

In closing, what has Obama done in three and half years?

And don't give me his broken polices that clearly aren't working are the least bit effective. If a republican championed and passed the same crap under their watch, I'm certain you guys would have a different opinion of Obama's red herrings.

11   rooemoore   2012 Jun 15, 6:49am  

Mitt Romney's promise to America:

More white patent leather dress shoes with matching belts for everyone!

12   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2012 Jun 15, 6:55am  

CaptainShuddup says

I'm an NPRtard does that count?

What do you do, sit there and yell Shadddup at the radio all day?

If Obama were a republican, we'd be in deeper doo doo at the moment. But I would still vote for him over Mitt. And I'd still laugh at people who called him a socialist.

clambo says

Since I don't speak ebonics I don't know what "hating on" means.

Yes, refuse to acknowledge any contribution that black people make to the language. Good for you. That fits in with your bizarrely fierce animosity toward Michelle Obama.

13   Honest Abe   2012 Jun 15, 7:17am  

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/watch-live-obama-explains-decision-legalize-young-illegal-165949610.html

The new policy: "Catch, release, vote". Obummer desperate for the hispanic vote issues and "executive order" releasing up to 800,000 illegal's ...obviously pandering for votes.

An ececutive order - you might as well call it a proclamation from the king.

14   Tenpoundbass   2012 Jun 15, 7:18am  

YesYNot says

What do you do, sit there and yell Shadddup at the radio all day?

Basically...

15   socal2   2012 Jun 15, 7:23am  

I always love these type of dopey arguments. Essentially framing it as there are no legitimate complaints against Obama and that Obama is "really a republican".

I don't hate the man, but as a Conservative, I most certainly dislike his:

- bailing out the unions with our stimulus money (GM, Municipalities using stimulus money for general funds);
- Obamacare;
- Keynesian economics;
- class warfare;
- constantly blaming his predecessor for EVERYTHING;
- claiming enhanced interrogation is the greatest war crime, while he robustly increased assassinations via his drone policy;
- "reset policy" with Russia selling out our traditional Eastern European allies;
- non-stop fundraising with celebrities;
- thin skin and lack of humility or self-deprecating humor;
- Administration's foreign policy leaks trying to make him look like a stud.......and shameless bragging about getting Bin Laden (Slow Joe Biden even said it was the boldest military operation in 500 years!)

16   Serpentor   2012 Jun 15, 8:39am  

socal2 says

I don't hate the man, but as a Conservative, I most certainly dislike his:

- bailing out the unions with our stimulus money (GM, Municipalities using stimulus money for general funds);

Bernanke was appointed by Republican Pres. Do you think McCain would have done something different?
socal2 says

- Obamacare;

is the same as Romneycare

socal2 says

- Keynesian economics;

see point #1. also just continuation of Greenspan's policy, which is another republican appointee
socal2 says

- class warfare;

what class did he wage war on? what policies? who's winning the war?
socal2 says

- constantly blaming his predecessor for EVERYTHING;

everything WAS Bush's fault.
socal2 says

- claiming enhanced interrogation is the greatest war crime, while he robustly increased assassinations via his drone policy;

drone policy is not exactly liberal hippy policy is it?
socal2 says

- "reset policy" with Russia selling out our traditional Eastern European allies;

I'd agree with that.. but meh, not that interesting and doesn't affect me all that much. Also not really a democrat thing.

socal2 says

- non-stop fundraising with celebrities;

and you would turn away easy money? Romney will turn away easy money from billionaires?

socal2 says

- thin skin and lack of humility or self-deprecating humor;

personality trait, not a liberal thing. some would disagree with you on the humor part. Not important for a good prez. GW was a funny guy and I'm sure most people would love to have a beer with him.

socal2 says

- Administration's foreign policy leaks trying to make him look like a stud.......and shameless bragging about getting Bin Laden (Slow Joe Biden even said it was the boldest military operation in 500 years!)

leaks: unsubstaciated. I don't see much bragging about Bin Ladin: Gave most credit to special forces. It was pretty baddass, ballsy call. Plus not exactly a hippy liberal call to kill the most imfamous terrorist in the world.

17   Serpentor   2012 Jun 15, 9:04am  

Shrek says

And when the time came for him to be re-appointed by Bam, Bam demanded a quid-pro-quo: "When I say 'print money' you say, "how much?".

state your source. The money printing did not start with his presidency. It started long before. Printing press was running pretty hard under Greenspan and nobody thought it was bad. Somehow it was ok when the other guys were running the show, but now its bad because some black Muslim kenyen guy is in charge.

18   Serpentor   2012 Jun 15, 9:17am  

I find it pretty hilarious when the loose money policy is somehow now portrayed as liberal democrat thing. Both guys that dropped money from helicopters were republican appointed. The last fed chairman that tightened the monetary policy significantly was Volcker, who is a democrat and appointed by a democrat (and fired by a republican.) oops

19   Dan8267   2012 Jun 15, 10:21am  

clambo says

Since I don't speak ebonics I don't know what "hating on" means.

I don't speak Ebonics either, but I figured it out. It's not that hard.

20   freak80   2012 Jun 15, 2:35pm  

Yeah and I like how all of that newly printed money found its way into the hands of the largest, most politically-connected banks. That's usually called socialism for the rich.

22   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2012 Jun 17, 8:47pm  

^ You realize that the law professor thinks that Obama is not progressive enough, right? It is the opposite of what you and Ruki think.

23   Honest Abe   2012 Jun 17, 11:50pm  

"Progressive" a liberal term of how to boil the frog without the frog noticing, as you proceed towards serfdom, destroying rights and freedoms along the way. Final destination? Socalism...which Marx said was a stepping stone to Communism.

Concerned yet? Or happy to go in that direction?

24   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2012 Jun 18, 12:13am  

Regardless of your political views, do you see that Unger is farther to the left than Obama?

If liberals want to vote for someone else because Obama is too far to the right, I get it. What I don't understand is how someone can claim that Obama is a socialist.

If you want to complain that Obama is too favorable to connected corporations and bankers, then fine. But then go vote for Ron Paul.

Are you going to vote for Romney? If so, what in particular about Romney do you like more than Obama.

25   freak80   2012 Jun 18, 1:08am  

Romney is a robot that will tell you what you want to hear. And he's a typical Wal-Street one-percenter that makes quick profits buying and selling businesses.

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