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What if we stop buying stuff?


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2012 Jul 5, 6:26pm   54,367 views  123 comments

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What if people just live somewhere but don't buy it?

In the Bay Area, in retirement Mexico, where ever.

That's me. A boomer on the threshold of retirement who owns nothing now and intends to buy nothing in the future. Not car, not house, none of it. Anywhere.

What comes of your speculation then?

Why do I need to own stuff when I can rent it for a fraction of the price? In the US, in Ecuador, in China? Why would I sink my hard earned money into a speculative venture when all I really want to do is live? I can live well without *owning* stuff.

What if more people like me stop buying losing propositions like real estate; we rent, we quit driving around in money sucking cars (we take the bus) we completely opt out of the ownership system?~(I have)~where does that land all of your speculative economic theories?

What happens then?

You quaintly think there aren't more people like me? People who realize that owning stuff is indentured servitude?

I had a meeting today with a financial planner and laid out my thoughts. Move somewhere outside the US, live off the stipends of minimal SSI and small other money, and just....exist. He was flabbergasted. Apparently no other client had ever come into his office without big plans for starting a business overseas and buying a place and making it big, big, bigger. My plan was small, small, smaller. We are 60 something Americans getting ready to drop off the radar.

Anybody with an ounce of good sense can see that buying property ANYWHERE is a risk that need not be taken. You can rent a place to live anywhere in the world and be money ahead. Roof over your head, done.

You real estate fools yammering amongst yourselves have each other convinced that money invested is money earned in the right amount in the right place in the right times and: voila! You're rich!

Meanwhile I'm sneaking out the back door, keeping my mouth shut and my money to myself and out of the taxman's hands....because I rent everything! And when I'm done with it I give it back to the owner who is paying the freight.

I do not understand the American obsession with *ownership*. I'm into the much cheaper and more useful *usership*.

People, you have been philosophically and financially fleeced.

#housing

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117   JodyChunder   2012 Jul 9, 11:16am  

clambo says

Jody, I do not doubt that being free with your money to impress the girls is necessary at your age and position.

nonono...look don't go getting the wrong idea on that. I've always been a king farouk around these parts even when I was busticated. I make a splash because it is an APHRODISIAC on top of my own natural charms.Double dynamite. The thing what makes it so exciting for a woman is that it tells her you ain't the kinda dude to play it safe. Not a coward. Everyone will tell you a lady wants security and that is true. But Danger is what makes them keep straying over to Jody Chunders side of the street.

I respect your caution with $$ but cheapness is not an aphrodisiac. ask any lady., any honest one.

118   JodyChunder   2012 Jul 9, 2:09pm  

jan says

No, I just get my clothes from ebay, buying someone else's mistakes. You've misunderstood me again. Being cheap doesn't mean that you go without neccessities,

It wasn't that at all, I just figured you to be even more progressive than most. I applaud nudists and naturalists. Savagery and barbarianism is my kinda thing.

I hate wearing clothes and have ever since I was a boy but if I have to I only wear the high dollar stuff. High thread count sheets also.

119   C Boy   2012 Jul 9, 2:09pm  

New renter says

wthrfrk80 says

lol. Try living on solar power here in upstate NY and the rest of the Northeast. Good luck! You'll need it.

In that case get your hands on one of these babies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S

10 MW of safe, clean reliable nuclear power.

I seem to recall an article about Con Ed installing small solar panels on the tops of all its electrical poles in the NYC area.

120   freak80   2012 Jul 9, 2:10pm  

New renter says

In that case get your hands on one of these babies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_4S

10 MW of safe, clean reliable nuclear power.

Give me a couple billion and I'll buy one! :-)

121   bubblesitter   2012 Jul 10, 12:59am  

Barter!

122   clambo   2012 Jul 10, 3:06am  

jody, I am in complete agreement. I have yet to meet a woman who likes a guy who is "cheap".
The notion is against our biology and evolution.
My rule of thumb is generosity in their presence 1. if I want more than company later 2. if it does not involve buying clothes, etc. (lingerie an obvious exception) 3. it's a reasonable restaurant.
For example, I would NEVER take a woman to Etoile in Napa for the dinner "tasting menu" at $90/ person. Never, ever happen.
If the restaurant she wants to go to seems too expensive I say I am in the mood for another cuisine. E.G. "Gee I am really in the mood for Thai/Vietnamese/etc.
Sushi is the kiss of death. I claim some kind of aversion to it. Of course that's untrue, in Kesennuma Miyagi Japan they had (gone now) the finest sushi in Japan and I ate it up ;)
It's a delicate balance, protect your budget for the future, let loose a little dough so women don't hate you, and never give the impression that your cheapness is *permanent*.

123   freak80   2012 Jul 10, 4:44am  

Or just find a cheap woman. Assuming they exist somewhere.

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