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@Ruki...you only say that because you're on the GOP payroll!

Obama would have to ditch Biden and have Ron Paul as VP and Obama would then have to resign on his first day in office of any new term.

I'm not either, I act as the gatekeeper. This year I'm voting Republican because Obama has had four years, and those 4 years have been disastrous. I was not Pro Obama going in, he was a Media product from the get go. That spilled out populous monologues from the get go. I never expected anything serious(Well serious in a good way) from this clown. I knew he was sent to do big biz bidding. And he really delivered a doozey to the insurance companies and kept the Bush Oil ilk in rolling in the green.

What would it take for me to willingly vote Democrat as an enthusiastic participant, and not just casting a default, "The other guy" vote?

Well that Liberal candidate would have to really have issues and policies that are not ripped from the Prime time distraction news play book.
This guy would not be saying anything about his policy for "Women", "Gays", "Blacks", "Rich", "Poor" ect...

Though his issues would speak for him on these actions, his policy would benefit "ALL" socioeconomic back grounds, races and sexes and lifestyles. His policies would have all of the Wall-street money Obama currently enjoys, going to the other team. The Liberals wouldn't sweat it thought, nor would they care how much money the Koch brothers or super pacs spent because it would be a moot point.

His policies would be well thought out and concise they would be about

Education inequality
Ending outsourcing and the stopping the lie that it is cheaper
getting back to a government where agencies are overseen by tenacious directors that have the authority to prosecute misconduct and improprieties. Government jobs, would stop being something people got to make a niche to find unnoticed loopholes they exploit and bleed the system dry, rendering their job ineffective.
He would believe that Obama care is the abomination that it is, and would not afraid to tout "Socialized medicine".

His call for raising taxes would come with a tangible line items those monies would be used for.

Get serious about the cartoon issues in this country, stop ridiculing and ostracizing fat people, but he would stop subsidizing the HFCS industry, if not ban them out right.

His policy would make sense and not sound like glad handing dog and pony show.

I grew up in a largely Republican family. Back then they mostly voted Republican. Not so anymore as they've all switched to voting for Democrats as I do. I will never vote for a Republican as long as I live so long a they maintain their current course.

Now- the question was what would it take for me to Vote for the other side? It would take Republicans returning back to what they were before- as in those of the like of Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. They've gone so far from their origins that I fail to see them ever changing back.

I'll vote Republican the day their policies work for me and my family more than against me. Right now they're pretty much all against my income class, belief system, and profession.

Ruki says

I would require either severe brain damage or a lobotomy that causes the same loss in cognitive abilities as I would get from severe brain damage in order for me to vote Obamacrat.

If I had a sex change, that would probably put me into the 50/50 range. But I'd have to either be brain damaged or lobotomized as per the above in order to willingly submit myself to that, too. So, same thing.

Yup, I think I covered all the basis. Who wants to chime in next?

Oh, and the immature "But you are already brain damaged!" comments won't fly. I already called you out on it just now.

Give HRHMedia access to patrick.net...and he'll masturbate with it.

What's so appealing about the Republicans? I hear you complain a lot about Obama, but I don't hear much from you about why the Republicans are any better. Care to explain? And give us a bit of background about yourself - income say, so that we have some sort of idea of where you are coming from.

Bigsby says

What's so appealing about the Republicans? I hear you complain a lot about Obama, but I don't hear much from you about why the Republicans are any better. Care to explain? And give us a bit of background about yourself - income say, so that we have some sort of idea of where you are coming from.

I'd like to know that as well.

Ruki says

Nah, I am pro-GOP for FREE, dude!

Why? How do their policies work FOR you?

New renter says

How do their policies work FOR you?

I am expecting an answer better than "libtards, commies, socialists, union workers and other am platitudes" but I am not holding my breath.

CaptainShuddup says

stop subsidizing the HFCS industry

Your arguments all point towards voting for Green or possibly Libertarian candidates. If you vote for the Republican as the "other guy," then you ignore the brave people who are risking their lives to offer you a choice, and your vote would be counted as an endorsement of everything you oppose (education inequality, outsourcing, RyanCare, etc.).

edvard2 says

Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln

Back when they were liberal?
Bigsby says

And give us a bit of background about yourself - income say, so that we have some sort of idea of where you are coming from

Which income group actually benefits from laissez-faire? I'd say that this economy proves it's disastrous for every income group, even if the wealthy "think" they're better off.

Ruki says

I am a software engineer in the BA. That enough?

No its not. The income range for software engineers even in the BA is too broad.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-announces-2-hour-islamic-jumah-prayers-after-rejecting-cardinals-blessing-and-you-wont-believe-whos-invited/#

The ugly truth surfaces.

Any party that will eliminate goverment involvement in housing has my vote.

Honest Abe says

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-announces-2-hour-islamic-jumah-prayers-after-rejecting-cardinals-blessing-and-you-wont-believe-whos-invited/#

The ugly truth surfaces.

Timothy Dolan is an asshole. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/05/31/492898/catholic-archbishop-railed-against-immorality-of-gay-marriage-but-authorized-20k-to-pay-off-pedophile-priests/

I'd prevent him from speaking just on those grounds. And if Bill Donohue is upset about something, I'm elated. Donohue is a fucking embarrassment.

curious2 says

Your arguments all point towards voting for Green or possibly Libertarian candidates.

Figure that out on your own did you?

If you vote for the Republican as the "other guy,"

Um the "other guy" assumes, I only have two choices to begin with. And to have this conversation with a Liberal, the party that destroyed any notion that there will ever be an effective and viable 3rd option to vote for. Is rather rich.

CL says

edvard2 says

Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln

Back when they were liberal?

See- that's sort of funny. It basically proves my point. Neither TR or Lincoln were liberal in their day. It shows how that the Republican party has totally changed from a party that placed emphasis on the interest of its constituents to doing the total opposite. They have gone from a party that at one time had an interest in maintaining some degree of social involvement to a position where any and all social beneficial programs are deemed as bad. I have a lot of respect for some of the Republicans of the past. Too bad they are from an era when the Republican party actually stood for better things.

edvard2 says

Neither TR or Lincoln were liberal in their day

TR? Of the Progressives? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

TR, the Bull Moose?

yes......

I would vote for anyone who didn't associate themself with a party and didn't come across as insane. I've had enough of Democrats and Republicans working together to slowly increase the distance between the haves and have-nots.

Ruki says

New renter says

The income range for software engineers even in the BA is too broad.

I'm not about to announce what my income is on the web any more than you would.

And it has nothing to do with anything, unless you actually believe all the class warfare bullshit. In that case, I'd recommend seeing a shrink to deal with your envy problems.

Give HRHMedia access to patrick.net...and he'll masturbate with it.

@ my last job I was making just under $100k. I'd have to make double or triple that for Republican policies to be of any benefit to me.

edvard2 says

yes......

I think most scholars would put him as the liberal candidate in his contests, especially during the Progressive Era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States,_1912%29
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A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
Limited injunctions in strikes
A minimum wage law for women
An eight hour workday
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
An inheritance tax
A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax
*****

Square Deal was at least as populist as it was "Liberal"

You should vote for Obama. Remember, the criteria for Bush was "he kept us safe!". And that was if you didn't count 9/11 and such inconveniences.

It's just too risky to vote for an untested guy like Romney. Why, he and Ryan are hiding under their desks just because of Hurricane Isaac!

(This is what a Democratic ad would sound like if their voters didn't have cognitive functions)

CL says

A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies.
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
Limited injunctions in strikes
A minimum wage law for women
An eight hour workday
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
An inheritance tax
A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax

Yes? Well I really don't exactly see anything wrong with the things he accomplished do you? I mean- its nice to have 8 hour work days, worker's comp and other worker's rights isn't it?

I think the problem with today's Republican party is that they have essentially strayed wayyyyyy off course to what their party used to be about. These days anyone that even whispers anything progressive in their party is called a dirty liberal. There is a difference between liberal and progressive. The 2 aren't the same thing and they have totally different meanings. That people confuse them is reason why the Republican party has more or less painted themselves into a corner where they can only go down the road of promoting fairly conservative agendas. There is nothing wrong with progress- or "progressive" politics.

edvard2 says

Yes? Well I really don't exactly see anything wrong with the things he accomplished do you?

No, but then I'm a Liberal. I just think the evidence is clear that TR and Lincoln were as well (Progressive/Liberal). They believed in the power of the Federal Government to make the Corporations or Trusts play by the rules, and in that Government to level the playing field. TR was a legendary conservationist (something anathema to the "modern" GOP troglodytes. He supported the above, which made him the left candidate of the day, hence his break with Taft and embrace of Bull Moose Progressivism.

Ironical, that the GOP will usually throw their odes to them at nearly every convention. Of course, Reagan has been similarly lionized and he wouldn't be welcome in the party either.

I will vote for anyone who will commit to appointing Bill Black to a position in which he is given the authority and resources to investigate and prosecute crimes leading up the crisis.