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Reader says

visually there are parts of coastal CA that are stunning

Absolutely.

I want to drive the Pacific Coast Highway at some point.

Reader says

there are too many low level managers who really need to be let go.

Any good developer doesn't need to be managed. A person becomes a good software developer by loving programming, design, and architecture. Such a person doesn't need to be threatened with a whip to perform. He's self-motivated.

What he needs is the freedom to do the job the best way even if it means not taking shortcuts. Cutting corners always bites you in the ass later on.

I wish home builders had as much concern about quality and customer satisfaction that good developers have.

Reader says

freak80 says

Philistine says

sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold.

Sounds like Lake Erie. Except saltier.

LOL

NO no visually there are parts of coastal CA that are stunning especially around Pebble Beach.

Again, it depends where you're at.

Pebble is beautiful yes, the Ocean bottom (Carmel area) is a white, powder sandy bottom. Ghost trees is much rockier.

If you go more into the Monterey Bay, it's a more coarse tan sand. Head up to Santa Cruz and it's a rock bottom, with giant slabs of rock under neath your feet all the way out into the bay. Which is why the surf is so consistent.

Dan8267 says

Reader says

there are too many low level managers who really need to be let go.

Any good developer doesn't need to be managed. A person becomes a good software developer by loving programming, design, and architecture. Such a person doesn't need to be threatened with a whip to perform. He's self-motivated.

What he needs is the freedom to do the job the best way even if it means not taking shortcuts. Cutting corners always bites you in the ass later on.

I wish home builders had as much concern about quality and customer satisfaction that good developers have.

I cannot disagree one bit. Again, these firms need to 1. Cut gross overpayment to executives. 2. Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Reader says

Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Why do you hate America? ;-)

Reader says

First Amendment Rights are the famous Democratic cry and strong hold but in all honesty they do apply to all. Don't throw her into my mix. I would speak my mind civil rights or not.
I don't speak due to my civil rights I speak as a man who isn't going to be manipulated or pulled into shite.

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

lostand confused says

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

But your speech is Hate Speech. Why? Because I said so, that's why.

johndavis says

the drawbacks and the benefits are much the same as they were forty years ago, except for the horrendous state budget (hardly unique to California), and the strains involved in adjusting to a large immigrant population.

Isn't unemployment in CA higher (in relative terms) when compared to 40 years ago?

lostand confused says

Reader says

First Amendment Rights are the famous Democratic cry and strong hold but in all honesty they do apply to all. Don't throw her into my mix. I would speak my mind civil rights or not.

I don't speak due to my civil rights I speak as a man who isn't going to be manipulated or pulled into shite.

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.

What is this Act One? Or Two?

freak80 says

Absolutely.
I want to drive the Pacific Coast Highway at some point

It's beautiful. Socal section is different , populated. Then it merges witht he 101 and then separates again. I personally prefer the Highway one of Sonoma coast and Mendocino, before it curves back into the 101. Lot less crowded. on a weekeday, you cna have all the beach to yourself.

But anywhere north of Santa barbara, the wind starts. But I love the varying terrain. Nothing beats looking down the ocean from a 1000ft above and watching the ships go by or the little cars driving by in PCH.

freak80 says

Reader says

Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Why do you hate America? ;-)

I also see change I don't and will never believe in or accept. And I'll reject anyone trying to make it Communist Russia or some Third World hellhole at the expense of my back or wallet.

Reader says

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.
What is this Act One? Or Two?

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you can speak whatever you want-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

lostand confused says

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you cna speak whatever you wnat-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

But your speech is Hate Speech. Why? Because it disagrees with my politics, that's why.

Respect my authoritah.

lostand confused says

Reader says

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.

What is this Act One? Or Two?

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you can speak whatever you want-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

I am on to you now. There is no response. But don't try your didactic games with me they don't work.

freak80 says

But remember, Arizona is an evil place filled with racial profiling! ;-)

Well, there is a reason Arizona, especially Phoenix , are cheaper than dirt. And it ain't racial profiling.

FortWayne says

freak80 says

But remember, Arizona is an evil place filled with racial profiling! ;-)

Well, there is a reason Arizona, especially Phoenix , are cheaper than dirt. And it ain't racial profiling.

Freedom 1789-2012

Well, that is gravy.

I'm technically not part of the "middle" class of California from an income perspective, but I've thought of moving elsewhere (even out of country) more times than I can remember doing so than in previous years.

I'm just not convinced Governor Brown can do enough to turn this train wreck around. Obama has shown that he's ready to allow the FED to turn our dollars into the Congolese franc. We've become a country of welfare shiesters.

Reader says

Again, these firms need to 1. Cut gross overpayment to executives. 2. Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Reader

sounds like a short laundry list of what can be done to improve the the US of A overall!

Goran_K says

Obama has shown that he's ready to allow the FED to turn our dollars into the Congolese franc.

He'll have to if CA goes bankrupt. Or is CA already bankrupt? I don't remember.

NY state isn't much better. Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

freak80 says

Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

FACT.

freak80 says

He'll have to if CA goes bankrupt. Or is CA already bankrupt? I don't remember.

NY state isn't much better. Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

California is bankrupt for all intents and purposes under an enormous $167+ billion wall of debt. Government pension plans, welfare programs, and other compensation to state workers are literally crushing this state into cannibal anarchy.

Governor Brown is trying to push a bill to RAISE taxes and create $50 billion dollars of revenue over the next 7 years, as if taxes in CA weren't crushing enough. To make matters worse, this is like throwing a cup of water onto a raging building fire.

I honestly would have left California already if it weren't for so much of my business interest concentrated here in SoCal, and the SF Bay Area.

Goran_K says

California is bankrupt for all intents and purposes under an enormous $167+ billion wall of debt. Government pension plans, welfare programs, and other compensation to state workers are literally crushing this state into cannibal anarchy.

Jeez, and anyone need ask why some of us say stay the hell away from there?!

bgamall4 says

the bubble by cash

LMFO!

Reader says

I am on to you now. There is no response. But don't try your didactic games with me they don't work.

LOL!! Whatever.. Grow up

bgamall4 says

Did you know that Wall Street started the attack on government pension plans in order to be first in line before those pension plans if Cali cities go bankrupt?

Did you know you are being a tool of Wall Street when you make comments like that?

Did you know that big money is moving into chartered schools, from Wall Street, and that this money funds articles critical of California Teachers Union? Did you know that Froggy?

Wall Street is against us and that is the only battle that matters.

I have no love for Wall Street, but it's obvious that CalPERs funding is unsustainable, and attempting to continue this system will only lead to more instability in the CA economy. That isn't propaganda, it's fact.

lostand confused says

Reader says

I am on to you now. There is no response. But don't try your didactic games with me they don't work.

LOL!! Whatever.. Grow up

I am going to give you a gift, the gift of goodbye by hitting the IGNORE function next to your name.

Reader says

I am going to give you a gift, the gift of goodbye by hitting the IGNORE function next to your name.

You have to tell me that you are ignoring me. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Strategic Renter says

I came here 2 years ago thinking this was the best state in the US and I had always dreamed of living here.

40% of all high-tech venture spending in America goes into the San Francisco Bay Area so being here maximizes one's chances of doing interesting things for a company with a viable business plan at the right point in its life cycle with a big enough equity share to stop needing to work for money.

Apart from having great sports medicine doctors to put you back together nothing matters more - not beaches, not taxes, not home prices.

As bonuses the weather makes for pleasant bicycling year round and the ethnic food is good.

Goran_K says

I have no love for Wall Street, but it's obvious that CalPERs funding is unsustainable, and attempting to continue this system will only lead to more instability in the CA economy. That isn't propaganda, it's fact.

Well something has to give. if you look at what happened in Stockton, I think we know what will happen if it ever comes to being unsustainable. The pensioners are going to have to take cuts-the same as all the airlines that dumped their pensions to the PBGC.

lostand confused says

You have to tell me that you are ignoring me. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Online behavior can be funny. I have a creep who pretends to Ignore me, but uses a separate browser to follow me, then replies to my comments while reminding me that he is still "ignoring" me. I think their intent is to tease like sticking their tongue out, but they only make themselves look ridiculous.

joshuatrio says

Yes I have. Spent a considerable amount of time in FL with family in Miami and West Palm, and have been out west for almost 5 years.
Sure, SoCal is a cesspool, but the coastline and beaches beyond LA going North are gorgeous

Ehhh, not so much. The beaches north of LA are *nice* to look at, but they still have crappy sand and cold water. They are less crowded the further you go up the coast, but they all get more shitty the further up the coast.

Monterey, for example, is gorgeous to look at, but not much of a beach if you are trying to actually use it the way most people use a beach.

Florida beaches between St. Petersburg and Pensacola are profoundly beautiful--the sand in Pensacola squeaks under your feet it's so fine and powdery.

Sounds like you lived in South Florida on the Atlantic side, where the beaches are just okay compared to the gulf.

Goran K said: I'm just not convinced Governor Brown can do enough to turn this train wreck around.
You don't need Gov. Brown. Proposition 32 will go a long way towards righting the ship. It curbs special interest influence (and puts more money into the hands of working people).

if/when we have children we're leaving CA at once. i could never do that to my kids. they need more than a closet for a house, need teachers that actually give a crap, need a safe neighborhood where the cops do more than write tickets, need me to be level-headed and not stressed out about a huge debt with little job security, etc. if i stay here, i'll be giving them a much worse life than i had growing up. at least, i would like to give them an equal childhood to what i had.

the kool-aid has always been bite the bullet and enjoy the outdoors... but when every other fucker is also outdoors and crowding the surf breaks it doesn't add up. it's a fine place to be a DINK, i guess. but even so, your housing sucks for the money compared with other places. and if i move inland i still have high taxes and gas prices and traffic... yikes.

getting tired of the temporary workforce bullshit, too. having to change jobs every 18 months is stupid depressing. even if salary increases each time it's a strain. it's not stable.

seems to me the only middle class folks who survive out here with kids are the ones who have parental assistance, or are leveraged to the hills. i don't, and refuse to be.

landtof says

if/when we have children we're leaving CA at once. i could never do that to my kids. they need more than a closet for a house, need teachers that actually give a crap, need a safe neighborhood where the cops do more than write tickets, need me to be level-headed and not stressed out about a huge debt with little job security, etc. if i stay here, i'll be giving them a much worse life than i had growing up. at least, i would like to give them an equal childhood to what i had.

Wow, generalize much? Do you really think all teachers in CA don't give a crap and all police just write tickets? I guess you live in an area completely different than ours.

And no, Prop 32 is not the solution. Read up on it...it's a power grab. If it pertained to ALL corporations and ALL unions, I might be for it. It isn't. Super PACS, Wall St firms, hedge funds, and LLCs are all exempt from the law.

The solution is repeal the commercial portion of Prop 13. That's a joke and it's the original reason for the Prop 13 (Jarvis and the Landlord association), not poor grandma losing her home. The people that pushed that law could have care less if anyone was tossed out on their butt...and the rest of us are paying dearly for ir. California hasn't been the same since.

This is one of the worst threads I've seen in a while on Patrick.net.

California is bankrupt. The dems have destroyed the state. So what's the solution? Keep electing more dems. Are there any sane people who have not left California? Once they're all gone, illegals will be on their own, there will be no one to tax and the state will collapse. Brad and his friends will be holding the bag and he will have to pull his mom from under the bus and apologize.

Waitingtobuy says

Wow, generalize much? Do you really think all teachers in CA don't give a crap and all police just write tickets? I guess you live in an area completely different than ours.

And no, Prop 32 is not the solution. Read up on it...it's a power grab. If it pertained to ALL corporations and ALL unions, I might be for it. It isn't. Super PACS, Wall St firms, hedge funds, and LLCs are all exempt from the law.

The solution is repeal the commercial portion of Prop 13. That's a joke and it's the original reason for the Prop 13 (Jarvis and the Landlord association), not poor grandma losing her home. The people that pushed that law could have care less if anyone was tossed out on their butt...and the rest of us are paying dearly for ir. California hasn't been the same since.

This is one of the worst threads I've seen in a while on Patrick.net.

Except that if you check the link for prop 32 showing the major donors, you will see that the CA teachers union alone has donated as much against it as all of the proponents combined. Yes, there are exceptions, but looking at who is actually throwing money at this tells me all that I need to know. Nearly all of the top donors are various unions, and the unions have done far more damage to CA than private enterprise. If private enterprise was really going to score on this one, they would be tossing cash at it like crazy too. But no, the CA teachers union has dropped nearly $17M fighting it. The unions in CA are what is destroying the state right now and their influence needs to be curtailed. If the unions actually acted in the best interests of teachers, police and firefighters then I might feel differently. But, the unions make short term promises that sound good to those that they claim to represent while guzzling money needlessly and ensuring that there is no actual long-term benefit to their existence.

Total campaign cash:
For: $9MM
Against: $41MM

The labor groups already have VASTLY more representation in CA government, and we have the results for all to see. This would dial down their influence to a level closer to that of the "nefarious, evil" private enterprise boogeymen that the opponents all love to name-drop.

here are the people who are getting out of CA:

1) Blacks, because illegal immigrants
2) Poor White trash because they can't compete with immigrant workers

the rest are doing fine. not everywhere in CA is a dump.

Not really.

I work at a very large tech company with its HQ in Washington. A lot of people have transferred up to the main campus specifically because of the cost of living and the mediocre schools. These are college-educated engineers and managers. Still others have taken jobs in AZ and CO because they can take a 30% pay cut and a corresponding 70% cost of living cut.

If it was just the leaches that you mention leaving, CA would actually be getting into a better position. The people that this place NEEDS are the ones leaving.

mr green says

The dems have destroyed the state.

prop 13 destroyed the state. that's right! big money has won again!

Yes, the Democrats, Prop 13, Mello Roos, local governments (city of Bell!)... all have destroyed California Dream!