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Why are gas prices suddenly $5.00 per gallon?


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2012 Oct 5, 2:05am   11,703 views  41 comments

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Someone is getting ripped off here.
These scumbags are manipulating the markets to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. The economy is slow, jobs are hard to come by, many people are hurting, and now this.
Jail the bastards.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20121005,0,2326954.story

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21   Dan8267   2012 Oct 5, 7:06am  

I've found that the more grotesque the restaurant, the better the food. The best places have the most cockroaches. That's why I rate NYC and Philly pizarras on a scale of one to five cockroaches.

Still, you should have given that restaurant a chance. The rat could have been the chief, not the meal.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jwLKPDJqldw

22   PolishKnight   2012 Oct 5, 7:31am  

In Philly, no. There were some of the worst, dirtiest dives I've ever been in and the food was awful to boot. But there were some wonderful ones as well. Overall, I'd say the way to tell the best food is to see how busy it is. If there's a line of people waiting for food (even rats) then it's probably good.

23   Raw   2012 Oct 5, 7:38am  

PolishKnight says

Funny story: My sister has a friend who ran away from the police when they were busting an underage party and he hid in a muddy swamp overnight. When the police had gone, he got up at 6AM and got on the bus, covered with mud and blood, and realized he didn't have his wallet. He asked a girl if he could borrow a dollar and she gave him one on the condition he didn't sit ANYWHERE near her!

LOL
Smart girl.

24   Raw   2012 Oct 5, 7:43am  

Dan8267 says

Because demand for gas is mostly inelastic. Until consumers are hit hard enough in the purse, they won't change their behavior. NPR reported that $4.00 / gal gasoline was the tipping point where people in average cost-of-living areas start to change behavior. Perhaps $5.00 /gal in the tipping point in California.

Strange how refinery fires, maintenance and other problems at different companies tend to all happen at the same time. Very strange.

25   Dan8267   2012 Oct 5, 7:49am  

Raw says

Strange how refinery fires, maintenance and other problems at different companies tend to all happen at the same time. Very strange.

Your not implying that corporations and speculators are driving up the prices for pure profit? That would be unethical. Next thing you'll tell me is that my used car salesman has been stretching the truth.

26   Dan8267   2012 Oct 5, 7:51am  

Raw says

PolishKnight says

Funny story: My sister has a friend who ran away from the police when they were busting an underage party and he hid in a muddy swamp overnight. When the police had gone, he got up at 6AM and got on the bus, covered with mud and blood, and realized he didn't have his wallet. He asked a girl if he could borrow a dollar and she gave him one on the condition he didn't sit ANYWHERE near her!

LOL

Smart girl.

OK, I understand the mud, but the blood requires a bit of explaining.

27   everything   2012 Oct 5, 7:51am  

Why? Because people will pay it.

28   Raw   2012 Oct 5, 7:54am  

Dan8267 says

Raw says

Strange how refinery fires, maintenance and other problems at different companies tend to all happen at the same time. Very strange.

Your not implying that corporations and speculators are driving up the prices for pure profit? That would be unethical. Next thing you'll tell me is that my used car salesman has been stretching the truth.

Yeah, you are right. It would be unethical and therefore could never happen.
Maybe they should be rewarded with a free room in a $300 million prison.

29   Vicente   2012 Oct 5, 8:07am  

The global price of oil AFAICT pays scant attention to who occupies the White House.

Considering inflation, it's actually been more stable than I'd have thought.

30   labdad   2012 Oct 5, 8:38am  

Gas prices are higher because the gas companies can make more money. This is nothing new. It happens every year and some times multiple times a year.

The gas companies control the release of gas. They control when to shutdown plants, when to send gas to other countries, etc. They know when they have to prepare for winter fuel.

The gas companies know that most people are gullable and will believe anything they are told. Fool us once, twice, 20 times, hmmmm....

31   BayArea   2012 Oct 8, 7:36am  


What really bothers me is the way that public transit is kept shitty or unavailable in the US in order to force you to buy a car and gasoline.

Patrick, I agree with you but we can't ignore that the American cultural way is to spread out where there is more land and enclose ourselves with a white picket barrier. We don't like to be stacked and we don't like to be limited to only the space we need. The effect is a major transportation efficiency challenge.

I live and work in the Bay Area and somehow usable public tranportation does not come within 3 miles of either of those two places. I would love to avoid driving if I could and I already bike when weather/time permit.

32   Patrick   2012 Oct 8, 7:43am  

BayArea says

I live and work in the Bay Area and somehow usable public tranportation does not come within 3 miles of either of those two places. I would love to avoid driving if I could and I already bike when weather/time permit.

3 miles is nothing much on a bike! So you do have public transit easily available.

Also, weather always permits in the Bay Area. I ride my to work for 7 years, rain or shine. The climate here is comically mild, even when it's raining.

33   Raw   2012 Oct 8, 7:51am  

labdad says

Gas prices are higher because the gas companies can make more money. This is nothing new. It happens every year and some times multiple times a year.

The gas companies control the release of gas. They control when to shutdown plants, when to send gas to other countries, etc. They know when they have to prepare for winter fuel.

The gas companies know that most people are gullable and will believe anything they are told. Fool us once, twice, 20 times, hmmmm....

Nicely put!
Is there a reason why we don't have some kind of a strategic gasoline reserve for California that can be used every time these refineries are out of commission? Supply shocks and price spikes could be reduced if not eliminated by using reserves.

34   New Renter   2012 Oct 8, 7:54am  


Actually Caltrain is pretty good in the SF Bay Area, and Metra in Chicago (same kind of trains) was also very good for commuting to downtown.

I'd really like to see them completely free to the public though, paid for by property taxes in the areas they serve. This is fair because property values will rise with free trains in the area.

It's also much more cost efficient not to have any ticketing system at all. You don't have to maintain ticket vending machines or pay conductors to check tickets. Just get on the damn train and go where you want. Fares only pay for half of the current funding anyway, the other half being from various federal and state sources.

And if they were free, they'd be totally full all the time and highway congestion would be greatly reduced.

They would turn into mobile homeless shelters.

35   Vicente   2012 Oct 8, 8:39am  

Raw says

Is there a reason why we don't have some kind of a strategic gasoline reserve for California that can be used every time these refineries are out of commission? Supply shocks and price spikes could be reduced if not eliminated by using reserves.

The free market solves all problems.

Companies naturally stockpile appropriate reserves, right?

36   lostand confused   2012 Oct 8, 8:43am  

BART is pretty good too in the SF Bay area. There is no way you can beat it either time wise or expense wise. The toll on the bridge, gas, stop an go traffic and parking in SF is just horrendous. Once you hit SF, MUNI pretty much takes you anywhere you want.

37   mell   2012 Oct 8, 9:07am  

It's because da bernank sez inflation is low.

38   Raw   2012 Oct 8, 9:53am  

Vicente says

Raw says

Is there a reason why we don't have some kind of a strategic gasoline reserve for California that can be used every time these refineries are out of commission? Supply shocks and price spikes could be reduced if not eliminated by using reserves.

The free market solves all problems.

Companies naturally stockpile appropriate reserves, right?

“Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt

Free markets when functioning freely are the best options. The oil markets are just an oligopoly.
They have politicians in their pocket.
They unduly influence voters with heavy advertising.
They don't give a damn about pollution.

39   rdm   2012 Oct 8, 10:25am  

Dan8267 says

Because demand for gas is mostly inelastic. Until consumers are hit hard enough in the purse, they won't change their behavior. NPR reported that $4.00 / gal gasoline was the tipping point where people in average cost-of-living areas start to change behavior. Perhaps $5.00 /gal in the tipping point in California.

I was back in the midwest (Illinois) a week ago. Pulled into a gas station ($3.75 a gallon) and noticed that virtually every vehicle was a large pickup or an SUV. Where I live in the North Bay the mix is very different more small pickups, compacts and many more hybrids more typical. Whether this difference is caused by higher gas prices or other "cultural" reasons or economic reasons ( more commutes) I don't know but I would guess the average mpg of a vehicle on the road is much higher in the bay area than in the midwest and south.

Public transport in the North Bay is terrible and essentially limited to bus and ferry. There was originally a plan to extend Bart to the North Bay this was abandoned and was a major mistake. It really is great to visit NYC or DC and use public transport to get anywhere.

40   joshuatrio   2012 Oct 9, 3:41am  

Just in DFW last weekend. Filled up for $3.37/gal.

Tons of cars/traffic on the road. Man that place is the definition of urban sprawl - and poor engineering.

Zillions of cars, lanes, and it took light years to get anywhere.

41   Patrick   2012 Oct 9, 3:56am  

joshuatrio says

Tons of cars/traffic on the road. Man that place is the definition of urban sprawl - and poor engineering.

Zillions of cars, lanes, and it took light years to get anywhere.

Actually, it's perfectly engineered to extract forced labor out of us. You're forced to buy a car to have a job, forced to buy gas, forced to burn a lot of gas sitting there, forced to pay construction companies for gigantic unnecessary highway infrastructure via taxes, and on and on.

It's perfect! (If you're in the 0.1% and trying to redistribute money from the middle class up to yourself.)

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