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Reasons why people want to believe in God.


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2012 Oct 22, 10:35am   58,880 views  143 comments

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I'm teaching a religion class in a Sunday school.

Last Sunday I tried to give my pupils (10-12 y.o)an assignment to find out why some people want to believe in God. I asked them to write about it from both perspective: of those who think they do believe and those who think they don't.

Their reaction was:

--but how will we find out?
me--Ask your friends.
--Where?
me--Ask other kids at your school, i'm sure you'll find some atheist there.
They shouting (5 or six at once)
--IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TALK ABOUT RELIGION IN SCHOOL!!!!

The rest of the conversation is not very important, but it boils down to the fact that there is no way to openly talk about this in American society.

So, I want to ask you here to tell what are possible reasons people want to believe in God. Any opinion would be very valuable. Religious atheists are more than welcome!

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138   Dan8267   2012 Dec 6, 5:04am  

thunderlips11 says

... Or told people to kill all the women and children, except the virgins.
... or asked that a dude go through all the motions of sacrificing his son, just to stop him a the last minute.

... or advocated slavery. That Christian god is such an asshole. He's not only for the Roots kind of slavery, he's also for sexual slavery of minors. Yep, the Christian god, according to the Bible, is in favor of pedo-rape.

Exodus 21:7-10
21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

139   MisdemeanorRebel   2012 Dec 6, 5:32am  

Yep, your post also reveals the non-universal nature of the OT; "Strange Nation". I also loved the women and child killing on God's orders.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/num/31.html

What is interesting is that the Hebrew fighters spared most of the conquered people, but God and Moses were Wroth, having given clear instructions to kill everyone but the young virgins.

Some mercy!

Slavery is not condemned in the NT, either, as the Confederates pointed out to various Yankee "Mainstream" Religious groups who tried to couch their anti-slavery in the Bible and Exodus.

One of Jesus' parables is about obedient slaves working in their Master's interest when he is away. Paul also lectures slaves on obedience.

BTW, now that I read the Bible with adult eyes and the benefit of reading non-"History Channel BS" archeology of ancient Israel, I notice all the careful points about tithing and sharing the booty with the Priests therein.

140   curious2   2012 Dec 6, 6:03am  

thunderlips11 says

BTW, now that I read the Bible with adult eyes and the benefit of reading non-"History Channel BS" archeology of ancient Israel, I notice all the careful points about tithing and sharing the booty with the Priests therein.

Yes, human nature remains constant; religion was largely about money and faith healing all along. Read the story of Bethesda, for example. Human frailty is universal, and faith healers have always exploited it. People want to believe their condition will improve, and they will pay to hear what they want. PhRMA is only occasionally better: the goal is to make $, any benefit to patients is merely incidental. Reading both the OT and the NT is a bit like reading the history of the 20th century as told by Jim Jones, Pat Robertson, and Raymond Gilmartin.

141   KgK one   2012 Dec 6, 10:43am  

I hear that Christanity is heavily influenced by Buddhism, which in turn is heavily influenced by Hinduism. Buddhist monks traveled up to Italy to spread the word. Also there are articles showing christ visiting India and hanging out with indian monks . Its only 800 miles (couple of months walk or boat time) where he was

142   Peter P   2012 Dec 6, 11:40am  

Why do people confuse God with some man-made religions?

143   curious2   2012 Dec 6, 12:10pm  

Peter P says

Why do people confuse God with some man-made religions?

That's a good question. The answer is because organized religions, almost by definition, purport to tell you what "God wants." The obvious contradiction is, if an omnipotent god wanted you to know something, you would know it; an omnipotent god wouldn't need preachers to "spread the word." As a former priest explained to me, and this took me years to understand fully, "Organized religion is fundamentally about the denial of God." As soon as man puts one stone atop another to build a church, man puts himself above God, deciding what God wants, and building something that obviously no omnipotent god had wanted to build. No omnipotent god can ever need your help, but organized religion depends on preventing donors from realizing that tautological fact.

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