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I wonder what was written on this banner besides "Obama"?

The protesters have the right idea. They must be those pesky troublesome independent voters.

"That said, is there anything to these complaints? Is the reform bill unusually long? Not really. Christopher Beam had a good piece on this the other day.

"[M]ajor spending bills frequently run more than 1,000. This year's stimulus bill was 1,100 pages. The climate bill that the House passed in June was 1,200 pages. Bill Clinton's 1993 health care plan was famously 1,342 pages long. Budget bills can run even longer: In 2007, President Bush's ran to 1,482 pages.

"Over the last several decades, the number of bills passed by Congress has declined: In 1948, Congress passed 906 bills. In 2006, it passed only 482. At the same time, the total number of pages of legislation has gone up from slightly more than 2,000 pages in 1948 to more than 7,000 pages in 2006. (The average bill length increased over the same period from 2.5 pages to 15.2 pages.)

"Bills are getting longer because they're getting harder to pass. Increased partisanship over the years has meant that the minority party is willing to do anything it can to block legislation -- adding amendments, filibustering, or otherwise stalling the lawmaking process. As a result, the majority party feels the need to pack as much meat into a bill as it can -- otherwise, the provisions might never get through.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019629.php

"What's more, if you've ever seen the physical page of a bill in Congress, you know that it doesn't look like a traditional printed page. As one of Matt's readers noted yesterday, "Nobody ever mentions that bills have very few words on each page. They're double spaced, there are huge margins, every line is numbered -- it ends up working out to only 150 words a page or so. The HC bill may be long, but it's the equivalent of a 300 or 400-page book, tops."

PS:
Obama Won.

Well even a carpenter can justify 3 hour lunches, $10,000 over budget, and the out of square walls. That doesn't mean you can't find better Carpenters.

CaptainShuddup says

Well even a carpenter can justify 3 hour lunches, $10,000 over budget, and the out of square walls. That doesn't mean you can't find better Carpenters.

You are correct. However, it appears that the carpenters are following union rules and the work ethics of every other carpenter. The structure that they built isn't unique in its size, it's just been painted a different color by the neighbors (and their supporters) who ran for election to the Neighborhood Association but lost.

edvard2 says

PS:
Obama Won.

Ditto.

elliemae says

it appears that the carpenters are following union rules

Ah that's the problem, you should always hire independent contractors with references.

More important a track record. Community organizers make rotten carpenters.

elliemae says

That said, is there anything to these complaints? Is the reform bill unusually long? Not really. Christopher Beam had a good piece on this the other day.

"[M]ajor spending bills frequently run more than 1,000. This year's stimulus bill was 1,100 pages. The climate bill that the House passed in June was 1,200 pages. Bill Clinton's 1993 health care plan was famously 1,342 pages long. Budget bills can run even longer: In 2007, President Bush's ran to 1,482 pages.

Nice try, but you are using logic, facts and reason to argue with a wing-nut.

CaptainShuddup says

Community organizers make rotten carpenters.

Yes, but they do have the ability to mobilize people and get them interested in their cause.

Like being elected to the country's highest office, for example. And being re-elected.

rooemoore says

Nice try, but you are using logic, facts and reason to argue with a wing-nut.

Maybe if I tattooed the info on my breasts & jumped up & down wearing a barely-there bra?

elliemae says

Yes, but they do have the ability to mobilize people and get them interested in their cause.

Yeah, ha ha ha fucking stupid suckers. Those blacks and Latinos have a short memory and don't follow the news. Talk about a class that shouldn't be allowed to vote. Well actually they aren't but Liberals want convicted felons, and undocumented immigrants to vote, it's the only way they can win.

"This is an actual photo of the AHCA"

Did you mean, the PPACA (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) also known as Obama Care ?

Presumably as much rigorous analysis goes in to forming your opinions as you show when expressing them.

CaptainShuddup says

More important a track record. Community organizers make rotten carpenters.

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so True.... I heard that he was fixing parking tickets 18 months before running for president...

CaptainShuddup says

Well actually they aren't but Liberals want convicted felons, and undocumented immigrants to vote, it's the only way they can win.

With a choice between dirtbag and stupid , you want us to believe it's stupidity.

CaptainShuddup says

Those blacks and Latinos have a short memory and don't follow the news. Talk about a class that shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I agree - blacks and latinos shouldn't be allowed to vote. Nor should women - unless they're accompanied by a WASP male who is able to keep them in line as they instruck them how to vote.

While we're at it, Jews, Indians and other heathens shouldn't be allowed to vote. In fact, any non- white, foreigners and/or non God fearing individuals or people without penises (penisi?) should be allowed to voice their opinion, much less cram it down our throat by voting.

I don't need anything but my dog Shithead and I'm good.

Boy don't you guys get all riled up when someone suggests people shouldn't be allowed to vote, based on a criteria other than Whites in relation to their geographic location and their IQ level?

TPB, the sad part is that you obviously believe the shit you spew.

elliemae says

Maybe if I tattooed the info on my breasts & jumped up & down wearing a barely-there bra?

proof that I am not gay!