WH Relents and Allows the FDA To Proceed with Genetically Modified Salmon
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2012 Dec 21, 4:03am 63,689 views 235 comments
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lostand confused
2012 Dec 22, 5:06am
We have been eating genetically modified food for thousands of years. The only difference is, the modifications were done through breeding, and now can be done directly.
Nah not like this. Today you can put a frog's gene into a tomato or human gene into a cow-so when you drink cow's milk , you are actually drinking very close to human breast milk. That begs the question, if you eat said cow-are you a cannibal??
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20071923-10391704.html
Peter P
2012 Dec 22, 6:28am
I believe our essence is more than our genes.
Genetics do not define humanity. We define humanity individually.
I know if you put a frog's gene into dinosaur DNA it can change sex. I learned that from Jurassic Park. LOL!
New Renter
2012 Dec 22, 7:12am
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
WTF are you talking about?
lostand confused
2012 Dec 22, 7:14am
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
WTF are you talking about?
Responding to someone who says genes do not define a human.
New Renter
2012 Dec 22, 7:17am
Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.
They don't want us to choose! That's the truth.
They want to force feed it to us.
This proves we are a slave race, always was always will be.
You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on. Enjoy picking moth larvae out of your apples, tripping on ergot, and watching your kids starve when the harvest fails.
You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.
121212
2012 Dec 22, 7:20am
You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on
lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.
I worked my own farm for a while.
121212
2012 Dec 22, 7:23am
You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.
The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.
Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".
The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.
What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.
New Renter
2012 Dec 22, 7:48am
You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on
lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.
I worked my own farm for a while.
You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on
lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.
I worked my own farm for a while.
True, you got me there - my track record with growing things has been terrible. Why'd you get out of farming?
Peter P
2012 Dec 22, 7:54am
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
Don't you touch my veal! ;-)
Veal Milanese. Yum!
New Renter
2012 Dec 22, 8:00am
You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.
The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.
Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".
The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.
What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.
I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".
Homeboy
2012 Dec 22, 8:13am
lostand confused says
Peter P says
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
WTF are you talking about?
This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.
Peter P
2012 Dec 22, 8:15am
lostand confused says
Peter P says
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
WTF are you talking about?
This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.
It was obviously a joke.
I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.
New Renter
2012 Dec 22, 8:25am
lostand confused says
Peter P says
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
WTF are you talking about?
This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.
It was obviously a joke.
I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.
If so LaC has a strange sense of humor.
lostand confused
2012 Dec 22, 9:13am
Genetics do not define humanity.
So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???
Don't you touch my veal! ;-)
Veal Milanese. Yum!
LOL!! I love me veal and every sort of meat! But I just prefer labelling in the case of Genetically modified food. I think the customer should be given the right to choose-it is our money. If Europe can achieve that, it is much easier here. But Monsanto and their ilk and their lobbying efforts prevent that. You can't put the genie back in the bottle-genetic modified food is here to stay. But there is nothing wrong with labelling.
Now philosophically-yes. We are all one, start off as a single cell, then grow and consume things of the earth , excrete stuff back into the earth and finally our body is absorbed back into the earth . I am not an atheist, defnitely believe something is there, beyond science and DNA-but file that in the unkown category. Some of the older religions all call that the unkowable, the great unkown and do not try and define that which is beyond our puny human defnition. So to me science is science -which is ever evolving as our understanding of the world evolves and expands and philosphy/essence/divine is something else. Why try and mix that with science and make it dull, boring and repetitive?
121212
2012 Dec 26, 4:10am
121212 says
New Renter says
You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.
The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.
Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".
The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.
What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.
I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".
Organic farming = Traditional Farming
We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.
121212
2012 Dec 26, 4:33am
Farming for me was educational.
My family have always known how, but we live in the city and suburbs and have no interest in going back to it.
zzyzzx
2012 Dec 26, 7:56am
Why not just eat the other fish?
Presumably the other fish taste terrible and eat something we grow like corn, soybeans, or some sort of food waste.
New Renter
2012 Dec 26, 1:54pm
121212 says
New Renter says
You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.
The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.
Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".
The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.
What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.
I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".
Organic farming = Traditional Farming
We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.
I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.
121212
2012 Dec 27, 2:21am
I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.
The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.
Ask "ANY" farmer.
New Renter
2012 Dec 27, 2:52am
I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.
The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.
Ask "ANY" farmer.
As I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.
This is a question to be answered by series of carefully constructed, double blind research trials with a significant control and test populations of either humans or a representative animal model. Most of the criticism of the studies done by both sides to date - as in the case of the corn study - has been on the methodology employed and the objectivity of the researchers.
Tenpoundbass
2012 Dec 27, 2:53am
effectively giving its preliminary seal of approval on the first transgenic animal to be considered for federal approval.
Personally I think this an abomination of God, this should not be allowed to happen. The world is NOT ready for transgender salmon...
[what]...[it is?]...[oh...]
Ohhhhh Never mind!
121212
2012 Dec 27, 2:56am
Just LABEL it! Why would they hide it unless they know people will not buy it!
Just like "PINK SLIME".
If you eat Chicken Nuggets that is PINK SLIME. If you Label things people will not buy them.
Tenpoundbass
2012 Dec 27, 3:42am
Who needs labels?
Can you spot the fake? If not then farm raised salmon should be a non issue for you.
121212
2012 Dec 27, 3:46am
I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.
right, ask Monsanto and expect an answer. Did anyone of those farmers discuss Roundup? GM Alfalfa?
Pesticides?
They are qualified, your not listening.
121212
2012 Dec 27, 3:47am
Exposed: Monsanto planted GM alfalfa before USDA approved it, federal agency knew all along
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/business/28alfalfa.html?_r=0
http://www.naturalnews.com/034264_GM_alfalfa_Roundup.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/036023_Monsanto_GM_alfalfa_USDA.html
121212
2012 Dec 27, 3:48am
“GM alfalfa will be everywhereâ€
http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/february2011/gmalfalfawillbeeverywhere.php
zzyzzx
2012 Dec 27, 3:51am
I don't recall anyone in the past asking for labels for giant mutant turkeys with gigantic breasts, or tasteless tomatoes bred to have tough outer skins to survive truck rides.
Or about "red delicious" apples that taste terrible.
Homeboy
2012 Dec 27, 4:00am
right, ask Monsanto and expect an answer. Did anyone of those farmers discuss Roundup? GM Alfalfa?
Pesticides?
They are qualified, your not listening.
Completely different issue. GM does not add chemicals to the food. The reason we don't need labels every time reactionaries get hysterical for no reason, is that it confuses people. Consumers aren't going to know what's bad for them unless it is scientifically determined what IS bad for them. Just because some people find "new" things to be "scary" is not a reason to start banning or labeling things. Where's the science?
When a farmer grafts 2 trees together, he is changing the genetics of that product. We've been doing that probably for thousands of years. Do you believe that requires a special label?
121212
2012 Dec 27, 4:04am
Completely different issue. GM does not add chemicals to the food. T
Excuse me? Monsanto GM engineers the seed to work specifically with Roundup. What are you talking about?
We are not talking grafting and such.
121212
2012 Dec 27, 4:07am
When a farmer grafts 2 trees together, he is changing the genetics of that product. We've been doing that probably for thousands of years. Do you believe that requires a special label?
You don't understand. 1st the farmer has no control over the seeds. 2) the crop is Gm to work with Roundup 3) the farmer is not allowed to re-use seeds 4) nobody knows wtf Monsanto is doing!
The farmers are not involved, you know the people we trusted with our food for 100's and 1000's of years.
Why do you think you have all these allergy issues? Pesticides designed to be used with GM crop.
Tenpoundbass
2012 Dec 27, 4:07am
Can you spot the fake?
I guess not. So 121212 you wouldn't know the difference if the industry said they stopped with GM Salmon but did it anyway.
121212
2012 Dec 27, 4:11am
We have no idea if all this GM crop/food will mutate your chromosomes.
There is obviously something happening with allergies, our bodies are changing.
The pesticides are a contributing factor.
Thedaytoday
2012 Dec 27, 5:37am
Would you be so quick to accept GMO foods if you knew that the bacterium they are using to inject new DNA into plants - could also pollute our soil and cause disease in humans.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/agrobacteriumAndMorgellons.php
Think again about the whole implication of altering the ratios of bacterium in our environment and how they can change and what the implications are to us if all diseases change and we have no immunity.
There should be labeling! this industry does not want us knowing what they are doing!
New Renter
2012 Dec 27, 9:04am
We have no idea if all this GM crop/food will mutate your chromosomes.
Probably. Then again so will sunlight, shall we ban that as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagen
There is obviously something happening with allergies
A likely answer to the first is soap:
http://www.everydayhealth.com/allergies/cleaning-and-allergies.aspx
This horrible agent of death is also credited with the outbreaks of polio that terrorized much of the US and Europe in the first half of the last century:
http://healthypursuits.hubpages.com/hub/Polio-Virus-and-Its-Odd-History
our bodies are changing.
Sure, its called aging.
The pesticides are a contributing factor.
Perhaps. I have no problem dialing back the use of farming synthetic chemicals provided the food can be provided as cheaply, reliably and yes, safely as with them
Would you be so quick to accept GMO foods if you knew that the bacterium they are using to inject new DNA into plants - could also pollute our soil and cause disease in humans.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/agrobacteriumAndMorgellons.php
Think again about the whole implication of altering the ratios of bacterium in our environment and how they can change and what the implications are to us if all diseases change and we have no immunity.
I read your article. It claims an incredibly rare disease has now been shown to be caused by infection with naturally occurring Agrobacterium. The report extrapolates the possibility that GMO plants insufficiently cleansed of Agrobacterium used as gene vector may infect other organisms with unknown consequences.
Sure, it could happen. Will it? Probably not.
The last part of your argument sounds like some of the arguments against the use of antibiotics. Does the use of antibiotics breed superbugs? Yes, that has been proven. Should we ban antibiotics? No!
121212
2012 Dec 27, 9:28am
We have no idea if all this GM crop/food will mutate your chromosomes.
Probably. Then again so will sunlight, shall we ban that as well?
You think your so smart!
Your clueless, just how they want you!
our bodies are changing.
Sure, its called aging.
No its not. It about increases in allergies.
The last part of your argument sounds like some of the arguments against the use of antibiotics.
You have no idea that all the animals you eat are fed antibiotics and you consume this!!
You spent a while making a real bullshit argument that sinks under it's own weight.
Try again.
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2012 Dec 27, 9:29am
We have no idea if all this GM crop/food will mutate your chromosomes.
There is obviously something happening with allergies, our bodies are changing.
The pesticides are a contributing factor.
Actually, we scientists DO know that it will not mutate your chromosomes. (funny comment on your part though) It's folks like you who don't. I guess I can't blame you for being worried, but you're very wrong and don't realize that GMO is much better for the environment than most of the farming we've got going on right now. I guess if I didn't have the scientific background I'd freak out about people "messing with my food" too, but this is unfortunate. You do realize how much nitrogen washes down the Mississippi river each year and what damage is being done to the life in the rivers and Gulf of Mexico? You do realize that "organic" food has actually killed people but GMO hasn't? You do know what "organic" means - in scientific terms rather than marketing terms? You do realize we've been engineering GMO food for the past 10K years and if you don't run out and hunt for wild mushrooms or something like that you've been eating it your entire lifetime? Nope, I didn't think so. Carry on...
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/21/genetically_modified_salmon_white_house_had_blocked_fda_but_now_approval.html
White House Relents and Allows the FDA To Proceed with Genetically Modified Salmon
The Food and Drug Administration today released an electronic version of its environmental assessment for a genetically modified salmon developed by AquaBounty Technologies—effectively giving its preliminary seal of approval on the first transgenic animal to be considered for federal approval.
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