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Have you ever forgiven someone? If so, who needs God to forgive a second time?
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2013 Jan 2, 9:07am 21,769 views 136 comments
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Peter P
2013 Jan 6, 6:31am
I will not be surprised if a civilization on earth 10000 years ago had more advanced technology than we do now.
Dan8267
2013 Jan 6, 9:00am
The Pope would disagree.
Why should I care what the Pope, a former Hitler Youth and current and long time cover-upper of pedophiles, thinks?
Dan8267
2013 Jan 6, 9:02am
I will not be surprised if a civilization on earth 10000 years ago had more advanced technology than we do now.
Whereas the entire educated world would be shocked. Any society with world-wide telecommunications, computers, and space travel that existed on Earth 10,000 years ago, would be a very, very big discovery.
Peter P
2013 Jan 6, 9:10am
Whereas the entire educated world would be shocked. Any society with world-wide telecommunications, computers, and space travel that existed on Earth 10,000 years ago, would be a very, very big discovery.
I am not easily surprised nowadays. Unless it is good food in some unlikely places.
Dan8267
2013 Jan 6, 9:11am
Science has been wrong a billion times
Science is a methodology. Individual scientists are wrong. Science is the methodology that filters out incorrect hypothesis and revises and improves correct ones.
What exactly do you have against the scientific method and what superior alternative do you propose?
Religious leaders are deliberately incorrect. They lie for the sake of gaining wealth and power. Science ensures that any deliberate fraud and any accidental mistake are caught and exposed. And science's track record has been phenomenal and exponentially improving. It is science that enable mankind to progress more in the 20th century than mankind progressed in all prior centuries put together. That alone proves the incredible value of science. Nothing in religion can compare.
God is a clever operator.
Even if there were a god and it were a clever operator, it would not be your god. It would not be Jesus and god the father. That's for sure.
Lets not forget, the creation "myth" was deemed correct by science about 7,000 years after it was "wrote" down.
Not even remotely true. Any pseudo-science caused by the religious perverting the scientific community by disregarding the scientific method is pure bullshit.
Science (and all of the names it was called before 1600 A.D.) has been off the mark a few times.
Although science does not have a precise beginning, the modern meaning of the word comes from the methodology began in the 1600s and published by Francis Bacon in Novum Organum in 1622, and by René Descartes in Discourse on Method in 1637. The scientific method was revised and improved so that by the late 19th century, it was a world-wide standard. It is during the late 19th century that we start seeing the exponentially increasing knowledge, understanding, and technology of mankind. The scientific revolution is what started this.
Dan8267
2013 Jan 6, 9:12am
and the very very last thing -- man)
There are countless species which have come into existence after man came about. HIV comes to mind.
JodyChunder
2013 Jan 6, 9:14am
There is no profit in going to the moon per se. It was an amazing feat, and it stroked a lot of ego, but so what?
We've just got this thing for conquering frontiers and propagation. I don't get it either. We could've stopped after the bottle opener and the remote control, and I'd still be in awe of humankind.
Peter P
2013 Jan 6, 9:15am
We've just got this thing for conquering frontiers and propagation. I don't get it either. We could've stopped after the bottle opener and the remote control, and I'd still be in awe.
I think molecular gastronomy is more useful.
Space exploration is not my thing. Can't pay me enough to go to space.
JodyChunder
2013 Jan 6, 9:20am
Can't pay me enough to go to space.
I've got the Eureka Dunes near enough if I ever get the hankering.
Bap33
2013 Jan 6, 9:25am
and the very very last thing -- man)
There are countless species which have come into existence after man came about. HIV comes to mind.
nope. don't be silly.
Bap33
2013 Jan 6, 9:30am
What exactly do you have against the scientific method and what superior
alternative do you propose?
I really like science and support it. Sorry if it sounded different. I support an active pursuit of the unknown in all areas. Science is way bitchin if you ask me. Scientific discovery has done as much to solidify my understanding of God, man, and the universe, as anything else. Along with Plato, Sam Clemens and Ben Franklin.
Bap33
2013 Jan 6, 9:33am
I will not be surprised if a civilization on earth 10000 years ago had more advanced technology than we do now.
The world's pyramids, the Nazca lines, and the degradation of modern man, seem to point at an ancient advanced society.
Along with Plato, Sam Clemens and Ben Franklin
Is it acceptable writing style to refer to Mark Twain by his real name if you are referencing the ideas or writings published under the pseudonym? It's like referring to Leonardo DiCaprio as "Leo" or Nicholas Cage as "Nick" when you don't personally know them. . . .
Peter P
2013 Jan 6, 9:43am
The world's pyramids, the Nazca lines, and the degradation of modern man, seem to point at an ancient advanced society.
Yes, and they could be advanced in different ways.
Greatest I am
2013 Jan 6, 11:35pm
The bottom line is that science's track record has been stellar, whereas religion's track record has been abysmal.
The Pope would disagree.
Do you always trust known pedophile protectors?
Regards
DL
Bap33
2013 Jan 7, 12:17am
Along with Plato, Sam Clemens and Ben Franklin
Is it acceptable writing style to refer to Mark Twain by his real name if you are referencing the ideas or writings published under the pseudonym? It's like referring to Leonardo DiCaprio as "Leo" or Nicholas Cage as "Nick" when you don't personally know them. . . .
I was not refering to Sam Clemens in the familure, I was refering to the person who invented the thoughts, words, and personage of Mark Twain. Sorry if I came off as being disrespectful. I am a cad at times. If you don't mind, please tell me one thing, who is it that would be offended by my reference? Sam or Mark?
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Have you ever forgiven someone? If so, who needs God to forgive a second time?
It is to the one sinned against to have the first right of forgiving when forgiving is possible. That would be most sins and crimes save murder.
I have had the pleasure to forgive on a few occasions. I will assume here that you have also forgiven someone at some point in your life. I have had that pleasure after the pain and hope you have as well. I have stepped up to ask for forgiveness as well after sinning against someone and am thankful that people can and do forgive. This benefit I also hope you have enjoyed.
Our consciousness and ego are what we use to judge what should be forgiven. If we lose that ability to judge or if it is usurped, damage is done to our consciousness and ego. It would negate intelligent use of our freedom of choice. It would negate our free will and deny us closure.
The Government has taken our freedom of the body from us with various restrictions. Everything from what we consume to our right to die with dignity. God has taken our freedom of choice after death from us with his judgement. Jesus has taken our freedom to face our accuser from us by saying --- only through me --- as our only judge.
These usurping of your free will to forgive means that you could never get closure from offence and hurt.
That would make Jesus as big of a disgrace as his father in ignoring our free willed choices. People judge constantly. We cannot help but to do so. To have our judgements usurped or ignored shows a flaw in the justice system you follow, be it secular or religious.
The God of the Jews who evolved to be the Christian God had a different view of forgiveness than Jesus had even though Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. Jesus as God would be from the Christian perspective. Not the Jewish one that has the majority of Jews as never accepting Jesus as their messiah. The claims to judging and Jesus' status, or not, --- as a messiah--- needs not be discussed in this O P.
“Jewish belief states that G-d doesn't forgive our sins against others until we ask and receive forgiveness directly from the person we wronged.”
“In Judaism, the acts of repentance and forgiveness are inextricably linked, and we must never let our anger toward others cause us to lose sight of self-reflection and cleansing.”
http://www.thepowerofforgiveness.com/pdf/A_Jewish_Perspective_on_Forgiveness.pdf
Did Christianity and their version of the Jewish God usurp your power and benefits of forgiving?
Does that negate your free will, and your right to forgive?
Regards
DL
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