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Why are liberals afraid of guns?


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1. We're Afraid of Loud Noises
We liberals are vegetarians, and, like most herbivores, we are easily startled by loud noises caused by things like guns, pickup trucks, and Ted Nugent. This brings us to the fact that. . .

2. We Don't Hunt
Tofu doesn't run away, and the biggest animals in my neighborhood are the subway rats. Besides which, since we believe so strongly in animal rights, it goes without saying that deer have as much right to live and be free and run for Congress as people do. Also, the thing about guns is that. . .

3. Bullets Come Out of Them
And bullets can poke your eye out, which is what Mom always said what would happen if we played with BB guns. Speaking of which. . .

4. We Know About As Much About Them As We Do About Fixing a '56 Chevy
Face it: Most liberals, being city-dwelling pansies, have never actually shot a firearm. (I have. Twice. Once was black powder, which involved the distinct possibility of blowing myself up.) However, even with my limited experience in shooting, I quickly discovered that. . .

5. We Liberals Are Really, Really Nearsighted and Clumsy
Most liberals, including Yours Truly, wear really, really thick nerd glasses and are secretly afraid we'd be really lousy shots. Also. . .

6. Shooting Involves Being Outdoors
We'd rather stay in and read Noam Chomsky and write letters to the Village Voice and work on our pasty complexions. However, no matter how liberal we are, one of the things about guns that scares us is. . .

7. We're Afraid Negroes Might Use Them Against Us
As much as we may decry any and all racism, most liberals can't name, off the top of their head, the last time they actually hung out with a black person. The hypocrisy inherent in this issue is worth a whole story, except that I'd get branded a racist and no one would ever talk to me again.

Also, it goes without saying that. . .

8. We Really Wish We Were European
Because we heard that European women are easy. However, you're not allowed to have guns in Europe. Speaking of Europe. . .

9. We Are Trying To Make You All Into Homosexuals
And that AR-15 just doesn't go with that handbag, girlfriend. Come to think of men in uniform. . .

10. We Haven't Had Any Really Good Wars Recently
There are two wars we liberals really wish we'd been around for. The first is World War II, because, to judge by how we always compare everyone to Fascists, we would have loved to help defeat the Nazis (but not the Japanese, because, Pearl Harbor notwithstanding, they were the victims of racism).

The second war we wish we'd been around for is Vietnam, but only to protest it, because nothing will ever again be as cool as the 1960s were. Also, we hear protesting the war got you laid.

Which brings us to. . .

11. We Like to Legislate
The liberal solution to a problem is to pass more laws. Only by constantly holding the threat of getting sued over everyone's head all the time can we create a just society. After all, people are inherently good and fair-minded, and that's why we need more laws to make them behave.

Actually, the real reason that we legislate so much is. . .

12. We're Trying To Install A UN-Led Zionist Occupation Government
We're Jewish, we're trying to take over, and only you and your .22 stand between us and complete world domination!

In fact, the Jewish lust for power brings up another fear. . .

13.We're Secretly Afraid We Might Shoot Someone
No! No! Bad thought! After all. . .

14. When I Was Just a Baby, My Momma Told Me, "Son, Always be a Good Boy, Don't Ever Play with Guns"
But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

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1   Vicente   2013 Jan 19, 2:40am  

Rent4Ever says

We're Trying To Install A UN-Led Zionist Occupation Government

Ah yes, everything does revolve around Jews/Nazis doesn't it?

2   nope   2013 Jan 19, 3:10am  

Jews want to take away your guns, just like the nazis.

3   Raw   2013 Jan 19, 8:07am  

Liberals are afraid of guns because they kill our children.
I typed it slow so you'd understand.

4   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 19, 9:09am  

Raw says

Liberals are afraid of guns because they kill our children.

I typed it slow so you'd understand.

A gun killed your kid? I say we lock up that gun and allow all the law abiding firearms to be.

5   Rent4Ever   2013 Jan 19, 9:12am  

The inconsistencies in liberals' arguments is astounding. They will tell you how the war on drugs is not working and that banning drugs doesn't work and in the next breath will tell you how we should ban guns and that will work. Then they will cite the 14th amendment as a justification for gay marriage, but will act as if the 2nd amendment doesn't exist. Pick and choose, pick and choose.

6   kentm   2013 Jan 19, 9:14am  

I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid of stupid assholes with something to prove who carry them.

So thats your split? All liberals hate guns, all conservatives love them?

7   curious2   2013 Jan 19, 9:22am  

robertoaribas says

I'm liberal, vegetarian

The administration deployed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, the guy who got an airport named after himself, to speak in support of gun control. He convened a bunch of soldiers to stand at attention while he droned on in a fake-folksy speech. He detailed at length how since childhood he has loved shooting at birds, killing birds, and teaching other children to kill more birds. It was bizarre and macabre. Somehow he thought it would enhance his credibility, coercing all these soldiers to stand at attention while he reminisced about his own sadistic childhood thrills. To their credit, none of the soldiers shot him.

8   Shaman   2013 Jan 19, 9:44am  

Kevin says

Jews want to take away your guns, just like the nazis.

given the reality of what's going on in Palestine/Israel, jews look a lot like Nazis. jimmy carter was onto something.

9   Dan8267   2013 Jan 19, 10:46am  

Rent4Ever says

Why are liberals afraid of guns?

Because terrorists can use them to kill innocent people.

Why are conservatives afraid of civil rights, blacks voting, privacy in one's own body, reproductive rights, and weed? Terrorists don't use those to kill people.

10   nope   2013 Jan 19, 10:49am  

Rent4Ever says

The inconsistencies in liberals' arguments is astounding. They will tell you how the war on drugs is not working and that banning drugs doesn't work and in the next breath will tell you how we should ban guns and that will work. Then they will cite the 14th amendment as a justification for gay marriage, but will act as if the 2nd amendment doesn't exist. Pick and choose, pick and choose.

You completely misunderstand the arguments against prohibition. It isn't that prohibition doesn't reduce rates of drug abuse -- it does! Prohibition is a bad policy because the negative consequences that it creates grossly outweigh the positive ones.

Yes, if / when we end prohibition, there will probably be a modest increase in drug abuse. That's an insignificant price to pay compared to all of the money we spend on incarceration, the damage caused by organized crime, and the destroyed lives of young people who go to federal prison because they decided to try snorting coke at a party one night.

We can easily see the consequences around the world of what a firearms ban has as negative side effects. In countries that are otherwise stable societies, murder rates are lower, and rates of non-fatal assaults are slightly higher. In countries that are chaotic, it doesn't really matter since there's no rule of law and therefore laws are irrelevant. People still get attacked, fights still break out, and couples argue. The difference is that the outcome for these events results in people in hospitals and jails instead of in morgues.

Quigley says

Kevin says

Jews want to take away your guns, just like the nazis.

given the reality of what's going on in Palestine/Israel, jews look a lot like Nazis. jimmy carter was onto something.

I'm not in favor of the blind support that some people give to Israel, but this is stupid. People need to stop comparing every bad thing that people to do to the Nazis. Nobody is setting up death camps, trying to take over the whole world, or engaging in a campaign of total oppression against anyone who isn't a member of an uber class.

Just STOP. It detracts from legitimate discussion about legitimate issues.

11   Vicente   2013 Jan 19, 11:01am  

Rent4Ever says

They will tell you how the war on drugs is not working and that banning drugs doesn't work and in the next breath will tell you how we should ban guns and that will work.

There isn't a liberal effort to "ban guns".

Background checks are something even the NRA apparently gets behind.

As a former NRA member, IPSC competitor, and person who owned many high-capacity magazines in the past, I can't get behind either side of that. It doesn't do much good really, but it's not "banning" magazines either. The hyperbole and vitriol of the modern conservative movement is astounding, every tiny restriction automatically equals brownshirts stomping on Old Glory.

Bah!

12   nope   2013 Jan 19, 11:23am  

Call it Crazy says

wouldn't use the term "slightly"..... Here is the data from Australia when they instituted their ban 1996... Look at the rise in assaults, sexual assaults and kidnapping when the population was not allowed to defend themselves...

Sure, homicides dropped, probably because the residents couldn't defend themselves and shoot the criminal when they were being assaulted....

But, they only had a reduction of 25% in homicides with a strict gun ban. That should tell you that criminals don't give a shit about laws. It only disarms the responsible public...

Every single one of those numbers is significantly down on a per capita basis. If you're going to use some stupid argument about per capita numbers not mattering, please answer this question: How many assaults would occur if the population was zero?

13   HEY YOU   2013 Jan 19, 11:27am  

I don't guess automatic weapons (assault rifles) are so bad as long as they are used to kill certain NRA members/Gun Nuts loved ones especially their spouses,children & grandchildren. Some thing aren't so bad until they hit close to home.

14   turtledove   2013 Jan 19, 11:40am  

Okay... I'm coming out of the closet...

I've never owned a gun. I do think they are dangerous. I'm a republican. Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the only one.

15   nope   2013 Jan 19, 1:42pm  

Call it Crazy says

I guess you will just try and keep using your liberal logic thinking that a lower percentage or per capita is a good thing, because the number "sounds" smaller..

Yes, a lower percentage per capita is a good thing. Unquestionably. It isn't that the number "sounds" smaller. It's that the number IS SMALLER.

Call it Crazy says

Unfortunately, I deal in absolute numbers, and when I see 114,156 people assaulted in 1996 but then see 171,083, that's a BIG jump.

This is because you are a fucking idiot.

Hey, since 1000 AD the number of babies eaten by their mothers has increased by over 2000%!

The number of people diagnosed with cancer in 2010 was nearly 7% higher than the number of people diagnosed with cancer in 2000. CLEARLY SOMETHING CAUSED AN INCREASE IN CANCER!

The number of jobs has increased by over 30 million from 2000 to 2010. That's why we now have a negative unemployment rate! We're all going to have to start working two jobs to keep up soon!

Again: How many assaults would occur if the population was zero? Call it Crazy says

I feel sorry that your logic works that way, and I'm sure the 56,927 people would agree with me.

Oh, I'm sure there are at least 35,000,000 people who would agree with you:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/IQ_scale_rates

16   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 19, 2:02pm  

HEY YOU says

I don't guess automatic weapons (assault rifles) are so bad as long as they are used to kill certain NRA members/Gun Nuts loved ones especially their spouses,children & grandchildren. Some thing aren't so bad until they hit close to home.

This is just sick and disgusting logic. You ought to be ashamed to even think that way. No amount of legislation will bring back those children and teachers nor any of the other victims of violent crime. Nor will gun prohibition make law abiding citizens safer from sick and deranged criminal minds. Legislation will only change criminals tactics and leave law abiding citizens even more defenseless. News flash, criminals don't follow the rules. You'll run out of ink trying to stop crime with legislation. Instead consider WHY people resort to crime, your focus on HOW crimes are committed has blinded you to the source of the problem. Give people a reason not to commit crime, that is the real challenge.

17   curious2   2013 Jan 19, 2:05pm  

Vaticanus says

Legislation will only change criminals tactics and leave law abiding citizens even more defenseless.

Out of curiosity, Vaticanus, how do you feel about this:

"Vatican Welcomes Obama Gun Control Proposal"

18   nope   2013 Jan 19, 2:13pm  

Vaticanus says

News flash, criminals don't follow the rules. You'll run out of ink trying to stop crime with legislation.

I agree. Lets legalize rape and murder.

19   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 19, 2:42pm  

curious2 says

Vaticanus says

Legislation will only change criminals tactics and leave law abiding citizens even more defenseless.

Out of curiosity, Vaticanus, how do you feel about this:

"Vatican Welcomes Obama Gun Control Proposal"

I don't worship the pope, but I did stay at a holiday inn express once.

20   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 19, 2:51pm  

Kevin says

Vaticanus says

News flash, criminals don't follow the rules. You'll run out of ink trying to stop crime with legislation.

I agree. Lets legalize rape and murder.

Sound pretty radical, I think at the very least we should start a new federal bureau of Rape, Murder and Molestation, issue licenses and do background checks, crack down on high capacity Prisons.

21   gsr   2013 Jan 19, 3:14pm  

Kevin says

Vaticanus says

News flash, criminals don't follow the rules. You'll run out of ink trying to stop crime with legislation.

I agree. Lets legalize rape and murder.

I think you really don't understand the fundamental difference between right and wrong. Otherwise, you would not have compared owning a tool with legalizing rape and murder. In short, forcing someone to do something is morally wrong. Rape and murder are wrong due to this use of force against the will of the victim. Owning a gun in isolation does not do that, as long as as it is used for protection. Of course, it is wrong if you use it to apply force on someone else. So the economic and social risks of owning a gun should be considered.

22   grinderman   2013 Jan 19, 4:18pm  

Call it Crazy says

I wouldn't use the term "slightly"..... Here is the data from Australia when they instituted their ban 1996... Look at the rise in assaults, sexual assaults and kidnapping when the population was not allowed to defend themselves...

Sure, homicides dropped, probably because the residents couldn't defend themselves and shoot the criminal when they were being assaulted....

But, they only had a reduction of 25% in homicides with a strict gun ban. That should tell you that criminals don't give a shit about laws. It only disarms the responsible public...

*

The banning of guns in Australia arguement . I lived in Oz for 7 years after emigrating from Ireland .
Australia has low crime . When I first lived there I stayed with some friends in a wealthy area of Melbourne . I usually stayed up late and was last to bed . After a couple of days my friends informed me that me locking their front door at night was really annoying , as they could not get out the next morning to work . the idea that people would lock their door at night was bizarre to them .

When I had my own place , I often left the door unlocked , went to work with windows open and whenever I parked my car in a shopping mall I never checked to make sure my windows were closed .

I was always amazed to see women walking down dark streets and lanes late at night and early morning in the city be themselves .

Guns were banned after the Port Arthur shooting in Tasmania . In all my years there I never once heard anybody express a interest in having guns or wanting the ban reversed . Australia may have had liberial gun laws in relation to the rest of the world ( except the US ) but it was never a gun culture . They never loved the gun .

I have lived in the US for over a year now . Do you need guns ? Heck yeah ! The US is riddled with crime , drugs , homelessness , low income , unemployed , underemployed and some real shocking levels of poverty .
For some odd reason , taxpayers want to support a massive military at the cost of social harmoney .

It is stunning to me that somebody like Ayn Rand and her ' thinking ' is held up as something to aspire to ' . It would work out fine if it was not for all those poor people .

You don"t here that kind of crap in Australia and in Australia people don"t live in fear .

I was confronted by a armed drug addict on my porch in my posh Bay Area property . I really realised that I was not armed and that if I was to have any kind of peace that I would have to buy a gun .

But I refuse to live in fear , so we will just move back to Australia , where the mentally ill don"t roam the streets and the government don't fund a military that they can't afford at the expense of everything else .

23   HEY YOU   2013 Jan 19, 5:53pm  

robertoaribas says

HEY YOU says

I don't guess automatic weapons (assault rifles)

you have no right to discuss an issue you are this ignorant of. seriously. you have sh*t for brains. google the damn issue and come back. automatic weapons have been illegal for like 50 years. Call it Crazy says

Unfortunately, I deal in absolute numbers, and when I see 114,156 people assaulted in 1996 but then see 171,083, that's a BIG jump.

you are equally stupid. the population has grown that much over the time frame. Why are there more murders in LA then in chilocothe Missouri? If you can't understand per capita rates, shut up, you don't have the requisite intelligence to be in the discussion.

Well, I will admit to one error I should have written Semi-automatic . "automatic weapons have been illegal for like 50 years." Wrong On! Ever hear of a FFL? Search that there Google. There are many legal owners of automatic weapons in this country. Being stupid & ignorant is not a disgrace. I just read my comment twice & Damn, I didn't find where I mentioned any states or population to go into a per capita rate discussion but thanks for trying to add to my comment
If it's OK, In the future I will address you as Lord Dictator King robertoaribas since you have decided who has the "right" to speak.

Patnet needs a constantly running tabulation on who is the best troll.

24   nope   2013 Jan 19, 5:54pm  

gsr says

Kevin says

Vaticanus says

News flash, criminals don't follow the rules. You'll run out of ink trying to stop crime with legislation.

I agree. Lets legalize rape and murder.

I think you really don't understand the fundamental difference between right and wrong. Otherwise, you would not have compared owning a tool with legalizing rape and murder. In short, forcing someone to do something is morally wrong. Rape and murder are wrong due to this use of force against the will of the victim. Owning a gun in isolation does not do that, as long as as it is used for protection. Of course, it is wrong if you use it to apply force on someone else. So the economic and social risks of owning a gun should be considered.

I wasn't comparing rape to owning a gun, I was pointing out that it's absurd to claim that making something illegal doesn't stop crime.

25   HEY YOU   2013 Jan 19, 6:23pm  

Vaticanus @#20

Since your name & accompanying picture indicate a Christian connection,"This is just sick and disgusting logic. You ought to be ashamed to even think that way." could be inferred as a judgement.
If it's OK, In the future I will address you as Lord God Vaticanus.

How's the troll vote going.

26   BobbyS   2013 Jan 19, 10:12pm  

They're designed to efficiently kill. But I don't think a complete ban would work here as we have large porous borders. Also, we live in a society that's hyper-vigilant and untrusting of others. Our nation has some serious social issues that need to be addressed. Banning guns can work well in more homogeneous nations with smaller borders or in island nations. In the US, we need some regulations that seek to deter crazies from obtaining firearms. But I don't know specifically how we can do that.

27   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 19, 10:43pm  

HEY YOU says

Vaticanus @#20

Since your name & accompanying picture indicate a Christian connection,"This is just sick and disgusting logic. You ought to be ashamed to even think that way." could be inferred as a judgement.

If it's OK, In the future I will address you as Lord God Vaticanus.

How's the troll vote going.

Catholics aren't Christians, neither are popes. But this thread is about crime. Maybe we could stay on topic? "hows the the troll vote going" could be inferred as judgement. Pot meet kettle. How's the ad hominem vote going. So you wanna talk about crime or continue personal attacks?

Like I said earlier the real problem to solve is not HOW crimes are committed but WHY.

28   gsr   2013 Jan 20, 3:13am  

Kevin says

I wasn't comparing rape to owning a gun, I was pointing out that it's absurd to claim that making something illegal doesn't stop crime.

It is very true that making something illegal does not stop crimes. An act is not a crime if it does not have a victim. A potential victim does not count. Ideally, people should do things based their conscience, not because of fear of laws. A section of population will do bad things. We punish them not because we can stop a future criminal. We punish them because we want to serve justice to the victim. Preventing a good person from owning a gun does not serve a justice to any victim. This is more like the concept of pre-crime in minority report.

29   nope   2013 Jan 20, 3:23am  

So you support legalizing murder? After all, only criminals are going to murder, and they'll do it whether its legal or not, right?

30   marcus   2013 Jan 20, 3:35am  

gsr says

Ideally, people should do things based their conscience, not because of fear of laws. A section of population will do bad things. We punish them not because we can stop a future criminal. We punish them because we want to serve justice to the victim.

I disagree. Justice for the victim is in my view the least important purpose of the consequences of breaking laws. (not that it isn't important).

When a convicted rapist or murderer gets his prison sentence, fist and foremost it takes them off the street and prevents them from doing it again.

Secondly, it is a very real consequence for their actions, and yes, being a good person and having a conscience might be the usual and better reason for not committing such crimes, but knowing you could go to jail for a very long time, or perhaps be executed, is going to go in to the decision process for sociopaths or psychopaths who don't operate the way those of us with a conscience do.

People often cite the incredible drop in violent crime we've seen in the last few decades. Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with the surprisingly high number of Americans that are incarcerated ?

31   Meccos   2013 Jan 20, 3:38am  

Dan8267 says

Why are liberals afraid of guns?

Because terrorists can use them to kill innocent people.

Because terrorist will be sure to buy their guns legally here in the US.

32   gsr   2013 Jan 20, 3:46am  

Kevin says

So you support legalizing murder? After all, only criminals are going to murder, and they'll do it whether its legal or not, right?

I already explained that. We must prevent murders in every way possible. Making them just illegal won't be enough. For example, you can't sue the police if they arrive late after the crime has been committed. So you have the right to defend yourself.

33   nope   2013 Jan 20, 3:52am  

marcus says

People often cite the incredible drop in violent crime we've seen in the last few decades. Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with the surprisingly high number of Americans that are incarcerated ?

Given that crime rates are down among all wealthy countries, and almost all demographic groups, despite not all of them having an increase in incarceration rates, probably not.

In fact, countries that haven't increases incarceration rates at all saw much larger drops in crime rates than the us over the last 4 decades.

Back in 2008, maur et all showed no correlation between incarceration rates and crime reduction.

34   gsr   2013 Jan 20, 3:57am  

marcus says

When a convicted rapist or murderer gets his prison sentence, fist and foremost it takes them off the street and prevents them from doing it again.

That's another part. Yes, agreed.

Secondly, it is a very real consequence for their actions, and yes, being a good person and having a conscience might be the usual and better reason for not committing such crimes, but knowing you could go to jail for a very long time, or perhaps be executed, is going to go in to the decision process for sociopaths or psychopaths who don't operate the way those of us with a conscience do.

I disagree. It may prevent a very few of them. Largely, big criminals will find a way to break laws. And making something illegal without a victim is sad. We have enough innocent drug users in jail. That does not prevent future or current drug users. Even our president did that at some point in his life. Obviously he did not really commit an crime in my book, even though it was illegal.

35   HEY YOU   2013 Jan 20, 5:03am  

Vaticanus,
"Catholics aren't Christians, neither are popes." My bad. They don't believe in Jesus Christ? What do you think Jesus?
If you are not Christian, I stand corrected.
"But this thread is about crime."? Read the title "...guns." In the 14 points, How many times is a mention of an association to guns?
"...continue personal attacks?" Where in my # 16 comment did I attack you?
"This is just sick and disgusting logic. You ought to be ashamed to even think that way." You quoted me and then proceeded to attack me. Who started the attack?
"Pot meet kettle." If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Your welcome to continue attacks on me. Free Country

I'm leading in the troll vote.

36   gsr   2013 Jan 20, 5:18am  

If we would agree there risk of owning personal firearms, the market evaluates the risk a lot better than a government. Just banning a few firearms does not solve it. We do compare cars with guns. Thus, a private liability insurance for a gun will be the best in controlling a firearm and its reckless usage than banning things IMO.

37   nope   2013 Jan 20, 6:04am  

gsr says

If we would agree there risk of owning personal firearms, the market evaluates the risk a lot better than a government. Just banning a few firearms does not solve it. We do compare cars with guns. Thus, a private liability insurance for a gun will be the best in controlling a firearm and its reckless usage than banning things IMO.

That only addresses accidental discharge (which is something most people would aim to avoid anyway), so it probably wouldn't have much of an impact.

Excluding suicide, most gun deaths are intentional homicides. Insurance isn't going to address that in any way.

38   PeopleUnited   2013 Jan 20, 9:38am  

HEY YOU says

Vaticanus,

"Catholics aren't Christians, neither are popes." My bad. They don't believe in Jesus Christ? What do you think Jesus?

If you are not Christian, I stand corrected.

"But this thread is about crime."? Read the title "...guns." In the 14 points, How many times is a mention of an association to guns?

"...continue personal attacks?" Where in my # 16 comment did I attack you?

"This is just sick and disgusting logic. You ought to be ashamed to even think that way." You quoted me and then proceeded to attack me. Who started the attack?

"Pot meet kettle." If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Your welcome to continue attacks on me. Free Country

I'm leading in the troll vote.

Jesus said who is a Christian. I'll leave it up to you to discover for yourself what he says. For now I will rephrase, Being catholic or being pope does not make you a Christian. Again, Jesus will define it for you if you want him to. Or you can just ignore him, the choice is yours. I am not jesus.

Ok so the title indicates the thread is about guns, and by implication crime related to guns. So why are you talking about everything but that topic?

Implying someone is a troll and then mocking their name is personal and a personal attack. I did not attack you, I merely stated that it was sick and disgusting logic to suggest that NRA and other supporters of right to continue to bear arms have not changespd their mind because the wrong people were murdered, or the right people haven't been murdered yet. That is disgusting and anyone who would imply such hateful filth ought to be ashamed.

39   gsr   2013 Jan 20, 10:11am  

Kevin says

That only addresses accidental discharge (which is something most people would aim to avoid anyway), so it probably wouldn't have much of an impact.

Not true, we are concerned about accidental discharge and the fear of falling on the wrong hands, such as in the hands of a younger member of the family. Clearly, if you cannot buy guns unless you have a huge premium to pay for them. Bigger the gun is, bigger is the insurance.

It does not eliminate the possibility the illegal gun possession directly. But the current laws about gun bans that you have been espousing wouldn't. You can prevent surprising mass shooting at school or movie theater using this. But you can't prevent gang bangers shooting each other. Banning guns won't do that either.

40   Moderate Infidel   2013 Jan 20, 10:17am  

Why does gun obsession and American "Christianity" go so well together?

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