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You know I feel the same way when I listen to NPR. And you just made my point. See how easy it all is, when we just work together to get to the truth?
Could you clarify? What was meant by that you feel the same after listening to NPR?
The evidence that the entire mass media complex is “leftist†is skimpy and inconclusive, if not non-existent.
There is an historical reason why the concept of a "liberal media" was born. Joseph McCarthy, as we all know was infamous for declaring that there were communists in the US government- even going as far as to implicate famous WW2 military figures- that various news agencies would do fact checks and dispute his ridiculous claims, which wasn't that hard to do.
His response was that the media was liberal. This was an attempt to turn the tables. If the media didn't agree with him, well of course they didn't because they were the "Liberal media". This tactic has been employed with great success ever since.
In this country, even the leftists are right-wingers
Compared to latin america and europe you are probably right. However to be fair, I would say by the same token that compared to eastern europe our right wingers are hippie flower children!
Y
2013 Feb 11, 8:20am
Fox is #1 because it is entertaining, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.
the drones at msnbc.. odonnell/maddow/mr.ed will bore you to tears with shit you already know...
Fox is #1 because conservatives love confirmation bias.
Y
2013 Feb 11, 8:47am
No, they are entertaining...
That's why they kick everyone else's ass in ratings...
Fox is #1 because it is entertaining, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.
the drones at msnbc.. odonnell/maddow/mr.ed will bore you to tears with shit you already know..
Y
2013 Feb 11, 8:54am
Which goes to prove the media in general is bias LEFT.
Fox is only #1 in ratings cause their viewers are much more likely to watch the programming consistently vs lets say CNN viewers. However, it makes absolutely no difference on election day and november 2012 was a testament to that.
I'd say they are #1 because they are the only game in town for conservative biased news. If you want liberal biased news there are multiple outlets.
Y
2013 Feb 11, 8:56am
Here....gnaw on this for awhile...lemme know when you come up for air...
P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
Total Day
FNC 1,226 253 495
CNN 530 164 239
MSNBC 423 124 197
CNBC 157 44 87
FBN 40 9 16
HLN 222 87 132
Quote: SoftShell says No, they are entertaining...
Especially if you have one foot in the grave.
The network's average viewer last season was 65 years old
Fox viewers are dying to watch. :)
It has been proven that these viewers are the least informed TV viewers , not a lot to cheer about!
These viewers still believe Iraq had WMD's, I could go, these viewers are low informational voters. Doh!
leo707
2013 Feb 11, 8:59am
Which goes to prove the media in general is bias LEFT.
So, a somewhat vague anonymous post on an internet forum is equivalent to "proof" of a liberal media bias?
Haha, yeah...never mind the actual mountains of proof that the "liberal media" is a myth. Yeah, you should go with the forum post...
Besides you would now want to disagree with what FOX "news" has told you to believe anyway, right?
Y
2013 Feb 11, 9:06am
Well, i admit i may have been a little hasty....
Which goes to prove the media in general is bias LEFT.
So, a somewhat vague anonymous post on an internet forum is equivalent to "proof" of a liberal media bias?
Haha, yeah...never mind the actual mountains of proof that the "liberal media" is a myth. Yeah, you should go with the forum post...
Besides you would now want to disagree with what FOX "news" has told you to believe anyway, right?
Y
2013 Feb 11, 9:09am
Looky here PoliticoShit...
I ain't Ruki...i ain't Shrek...and i don't hate anybody...
but I would like to see your birth cert...(longform)
Haha, yeah...never mind the actual mountains of proof that the "liberal media" is a myth. Yeah, you should go with the forum post...
Besides you would now want to disagree with what FOX "news" has told you to believe anyway, right?
look at who you are arguing with! RUKI!SHREK! it's pointless, he is only interested in hating Obama and the fiction the birthers spew out. You cannot have any sensible conversation.
Y
2013 Feb 11, 11:01am
Prove it.
otherwise, you are just an extremely large version of a human
GASBAG
KarlRoveIsScum says
Softshell you are Ruki/Shrek, goodbye.
Many media companies (with the exception of fox news) don't like to alienate and hence lose large demographics of viewers
I've seen stuff on liberal news outlets that alienated me and others. That's why Fox News is #1 in ratings.
It's #1 in ratings because the only people who get their news from TV are old white folks.
At its peak, Fox News gets 3 million viewers per day.
By comparison, the US version of Yahoo News alone gets 40 million unique visitors per day.
Ribas, dude you gotta be shittin me. I acknowledge, first and foremost that Fox is garbage, but then again so is MSNBC and CNN.
If you want an example of real news start looking elsewhere. Until then, you can't adequately prove that dems and repugs are diff.
Fox "news" flat out lies.
The other day, they claimed NBC hadn't said one thing ever about the controversial memo justifying drone strikes on ex-patriot Americans... when the actual facts are NBC broke the story! how is that for lying? No NBC, no story period. yet faux news claimed the opposite!
the liberal bias you are seeing on the other networks, is called reality. Sadly, for the uninformed, and usually unintelligent they will see these things as liberally biased:
The GOP has been on the wrong side of every social issue, AND every political issue.
like shipping Mexican citizens back to native country.. or maybe strong border controls.
these are same policies that even the Mexican/Canadian governments are enforcing.. as would every other nations government. But the US Democratic party opposes it. So how could GOP be wrong ?
I laugh in the face of people who watch CNN and/or Fox consistently
you have to dig deeper to get 'journalism with integrity these days'
start with propublica.org
CNN?????? FOX??????really
Many media companies (with the exception of fox news) don't like to alienate and hence lose large demographics of viewers
I've seen stuff on liberal news outlets that alienated me and others. That's why Fox News is #1 in ratings.
Fox is only #1 in ratings cause their viewers are much more likely to watch the programming consistently vs lets say CNN viewers. However, it makes absolutely no difference on election day and november 2012 was a testament to that.
Dont talk that way to booby......he is a 'disenfranchised clown' who doesn't like others(Asians) competing for his med school and law school slots. Thomas, how dare you speak such blasphemy?
The GOP has been on the wrong side of every social issue, AND every political issue.
like shipping Mexican citizens back to native country.. or maybe strong border controls.
these are same policies that even the Mexican/Canadian governments are enforcing.. as would every other nations government. But the US Democratic party opposes it. So how could GOP be wrong ?
Dont talk that way to booby......he is a 'disenfranchised clown' who doesn't like others(Asians) competing for his med school and law school slots. Thomas, how dare you speak such blasphemy?
bugger,,, too bad im not asian or gone to med/law school...
FortWayne
2013 Feb 12, 7:51am
Most of the media tends to be a cheer leader for whatever current administration is. Whatever their reason, I'm sure it's motivated by money.
They change how they report issues, they change their language, they change arguments... So the old adage stands "If you don't read news you are uninformed, if you read the news you are misinformed."
leo707
2013 Feb 12, 7:57am
"If you don't read news you are uninformed, if you read the news you are misinformed."
Actually, that only applies to FOX "news", and to MSNBC for international issues. Just about every other news outlet is a least a little bit better than no news.
leo707
2013 Feb 12, 7:59am
Wow, the photograph of that NBC van with all those bumper stickers sure is damning evidence that there is a liberal bias at NBC.
Tenpoundbass
2013 Feb 12, 8:13am
FOX News want's to save people, from the people that want to save us from our selves.
The Dems on the other hand, are only about 40% wrong these days...
My take is about 75%.
95% wrong to75% wrong.
The, ever so slightly, lesser of two evils.
FOX News want's to save people,
Let's be honest shall we? Fox just wants to make a tidy profit, and do so at the expense of a bunch of feeble minded paranoid schizophrenics who watch it.
Tenpoundbass
2013 Feb 12, 10:34am
Also I notice the difference in Fox viewers vs CNN viewers.
Fox viewers hate CNN, CNN viewers hate Fox viewers.
And FOX viewers are the bigots?
curious2
2013 Feb 12, 11:09am
FOX News want's to save people, from the people that want to save us from our selves.
I wish that were true. Faux News touts every war from the drug war to the Iraq war. The drug war is at best, according to its supporters about saving us from ourselves. (In reality, it's about more money and power for the politicians and their patronage networks, including especially lobbyists and ALEC members.) I'd love to see Fox or any other commercially sponsored newscast expose the drug war for what it is. Instead, they all just keep beating the drum, and collecting ad revenue from PhRMA, so that you can overpay for fraudulently marketed OxyContin (Rush Limbaugh's little addiction) which is rightly called hillbilly heroin because it's nearly the same thing at a much higher price. (Bob pointed out that OxyContin is a time release version, possibly more convenient and better tolerated than ordinary opium, but it's the same active ingredient and time release versions cost only pennies to make.) Commercial newscasts work for their commercial sponsors and parent companies, anything about saving people is purely incidental.
Tenpoundbass
2013 Feb 12, 10:36pm
Has Obama addressed the "War on Drugs"?
Has he NOT done everything in his power to circumvent the will of the American people to end the War on Drugs?
Isn't Obama the same asshole that kept the truth from coming out about what really happened in the Fast and the Furious?
Did he NOT tell States that Medical MJ was not his concern, only to then turn around and raid most dispensaries a few years back?
FortWayne
2013 Feb 13, 1:24am
"If you don't read news you are uninformed, if you read the news you are misinformed."
Actually, that only applies to FOX "news", and to MSNBC for international issues. Just about every other news outlet is a least a little bit better than no news.
I think it applies to all of them Leo. Every single one, all are motivated by money, every article has to be approved by higher ups who generally answer to the executives who are concerned about bottom line. And when they tell you they are objective they are lying, because we are all humans and have our biases.
Press's #1 job is to rock the boat, which government never approves of as it gets in their way. And we should not fall into the trap put out for us to believe that media that criticizes is bad and media that supports status quo is good. In fact media that supports status quo should be examined a lot more closely by the public for their support of the regime.
Real quality reporting is a rarity, remember Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather or even Ruben Salazar?
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/31/slain_latino_journalist_ruben_salazar_killed
FortWayne
2013 Feb 13, 1:25am
Has Obama addressed the "War on Drugs"?
Has he NOT done everything in his power to circumvent the will of the American people to end the War on Drugs?
Isn't Obama the same asshole that kept the truth from coming out about what really happened in the Fast and the Furious?
Did he NOT tell States that Medical MJ was not his concern, only to then turn around and raid most dispensaries a few years back?
At least someone on this site is willing to question this administration and not just bend over on a whim of the president.
leo707
2013 Feb 13, 1:39am
At least someone on this site is willing to question this administration and not just bend over on a whim of the president.
There is quite a lot of criticism of Obama on this site, a lot of people are not happy with his performance. Unfortunately the most vocal criticism is often unfounded, already proven wrong, irrelevant noise, etc. (e.g. Birthers). Dan, for example, has posted extensively on this topic.
leo707
2013 Feb 13, 1:54am
Every single one, all are motivated by money, every article has to be approved by higher ups who generally answer to the executives who are concerned about bottom line.
Yep.
And when they tell you they are objective they are lying, because we are all humans and have our biases.
Yes, all humans have their bias and as organizations created and run by humans news services have bias as well. However, not all bias is not a binary function. Show me 10 news organizations and I will show you 10 different levels of bias (well, if both FOX and the Chinese Government News Service were on the list they would probably show the same level of bias). Even NPR, which when studied, consistently shows the lowest level of news bias does have slight biases. News bias has been discussed extensively on Pnet.
I think [if you read the news you are misinformed] applies to all of them Leo.
Actually, it does not. FOX "news" viewers are indeed the worst informed of the news viewers even worse than had they watched no news. MSNBC is not far behind FOX. It was discussed extensively in this thread:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219028
Y
2013 Feb 13, 2:04am
You were doing well, until you just could not help yourself and suddenly lost credibility...
leo707 says
Show me 10 news organizations and I will show you 10 different levels of bias (well, if both FOX and the Chinese Government News Service were on the list they would probably show the same level of bias).
Y
2013 Feb 13, 2:05am
Fox routinely covers stories that MSNBC ignores, and vice versa, both pandering to their base.
"informed" is in the eye of the beholder....
FOX "news" viewers are indeed the worst informed of the news viewers even worse than had they watched no news
leo707
2013 Feb 13, 3:29am
Fox routinely covers stories that MSNBC ignores, and vice versa, both pandering to their base.
"informed" is in the eye of the beholder....
FOX "news" viewers are indeed the worst informed of the news viewers even worse than had they watched no news
Yes, great examples. FOX along with MSNBC are both the worst news channels one can watch if one wants to be informed by facts other than misinformation.
Sure, right...FOX covers "news" that others ignore, just ask them. Like when FOX said that NBC was not reporting anything on the drone strikes memo. Remember that? The only problem was that FOX (in its usual fashion) was full of shit and NBC actually broke the story.
"informed" is in the eye of the beholder....
No, actually a misinformed audience can be quantified pretty well, and categorically FOX "news" does a pretty good job at misinforming their loyal watchers.
leo707
2013 Feb 13, 3:40am
While MSNBC viewers are very well informed.
I don't think I would call MSNBC viewers "well informed." Christ, the Joke news on the Daily Show keeps people better informed than almost every major "serious" news outlet. NPR consumers are among the best informed.
Here is a link to the study:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/
CL
2013 Feb 13, 4:06am
MSNBC went into great detail slamming GE for avoiding paying corporate taxes. Has Fox, FoxBusiness, or any other Murdoch enterprise done the same to him?
GE did what businesses can legally do in America, scummy though it is. Murdoch is the head of a criminal enterprise, here and abroad.
He surrounds himself with greasy Hannity-job sycophants, whereas MSNBC is filled with PHDs, Rhodes Scholars (Maddow), and the politically experienced LOD and Matthews.
There are no bleach-blond talking heads on MSNBC. False equivalence.
Y
2013 Feb 13, 5:09am
Your just providing an example of what I declared below.
Now go find an MSNBC example....
Thanks for doing the legwork.....
Fox routinely covers stories that MSNBC ignores, and vice versa, both pandering to their base.
"informed" is in the eye of the beholder....
FOX "news" viewers are indeed the worst informed of the news viewers even worse than had they watched no news
Yes, great examples. FOX along with MSNBC are both the worst news channels one can watch if one wants to be informed by facts other than misinformation.
Sure, right...FOX covers "news" that others ignore, just ask them. Like when FOX said that NBC was not reporting anything on the drone strikes memo. Remember that? The only problem was that FOX (in its usual fashion) was full of shit and NBC actually broke the story.
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It seems to me like both sides and by that I mean both sides that are far from center like to act victimized by the "media." Conservatives like to complain of "liberal media" bias. Liberals have been known to complain of slanted coverage by "corporate media" on the other hand. It seems to me like both groups are missing the point. Conservatives don't understand the common decency decorum and manners. Many media companies (with the exception of fox news) don't like to alienate and hence lose large demographics of viewers. At the same time these media companies are not likely to rock the status quo too much and alienate the advertisers who obviously rely on capitalist system to stay in business. The end result is obvious. The far right will have to stick with their talk shows on the radio and take whatever advertiser support they can get while the liberals will have to rely on listener sponsored support if they really want to present the far left point of view (such as KPFA 94.1 here in bay area). However for either side to cry "bias" is the height of arrogance and common sense and refusal to see forest for the trees.
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