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FortWayne says

Reality says

The only problem with annexing even more is that the cost of throwing out the existing feudal lords in those "independent" countries would be too costly to American taxpayers.

Huh?

You asked why we don't annex the rest of Mexico. Well, I gave the answer: it would be too costly to conduct an invasion and occupation.

Reality says

That's the welfare program's problem. The sooner the government welfare programs are bankrupt, the better. The private sector can take care of the truly needy much more efficiently than the government monopoly does.

Free market will never take care of the needy, there is no money to be made out of helping someone who has none to give.

Reality says

Jobs are scarce because there are too many economic rent-seekers riding on the would-be benefit of exchanges, preventing exchanges from taking place.

Welcome to free market that you rave about so much.

FortWayne says

Reality says

Jobs are scarce because there are too many economic rent-seekers riding on the would-be benefit of exchanges, preventing exchanges from taking place.

Welcome to free market that you rave about so much.

There's nothing free market about economic rent-seekers. By definition economic rent-seekers are not people facing market competition. Economic rent refers to government imposed monopolies.

BTW, just to clear up some common confusion: in housing service, the market rent collected by landlords that have to compete against many other landlords in the same area are not collecting economic rent, but the property tax that all the landlords have to pay to the town/city is economic rent collected by the bureaucrats of the town/city.

FortWayne says

Free market will never take care of the needy, there is no money to be made out of helping someone who has none to give.

That's simply not true. Free market for non-profit and charity means donors have the freedom to choose to whom to make the donations. That forces the non-profits and charities work much more efficiently than government monopoly on charity work.

Reality says

That's simply not true. Free market for non-profit and charity means donors have the freedom to choose to whom to make the donations. That forces the non-profits and charities work much more efficiently than government monopoly on charity work.

And if there are not enough donors? And plenty of non-profits are out there, hell almost every other health insurance company is considered non-profit... not very charitable though.

Either way we are way off topic. Main topic is legalizing bunch of illegals, and it's something that I disagree with because I believe it will reduce living standards in America.

FortWayne says

And if there are not enough donors? And plenty of non-profits are out there, hell almost every other health insurance company is considered non-profit... not very charitable though.

That's because people are forced to shop there by tight government regulations restricting the supply of health insurance companies and hospitals. They are essentially semi-government bureaucracy.

Either way we are way off topic. Main topic is legalizing bunch of illegals, and it's something that I disagree with because I believe it will reduce living standards in America.

Living standards in America will improve due to more smooth market clearing on voluntary exchanges and division of labor, with less government regulation and bureaucrats to feed. Think, if you live in a nice town, and if the town outlaws staffing of restaurants in town by youths from other towns, the result would be high restaurant bills and lower standards of living not higher.

Considering this is round 2 of amnesty, I wonder if there is a plan to prevent round 3??

Reality says

That's because people are forced to shop there by tight government regulations restricting the supply of health insurance companies and hospitals. They are essentially semi-government bureaucracy.

You were never forced to shop there, plenty of companies are there, and until Obamacare you didn't have to carry insurance at all.

Reality says

Living standards in America will improve due to more smooth market clearing on voluntary exchanges and division of labor, with less government regulation and bureaucrats to feed. Think, if you live in a nice town, and if the town outlaws staffing of restaurants in town by youths from other towns, the result would be high restaurant bills and lower standards of living not higher.

Why would markets be more smooth, where is less government regulation coming from? The only difference is now there are more people looking for same jobs. And restaurants charge the maximum they can charge, and all already hire illegals, that isn't going to change. Now you'll just have more of these illegals working off the books and eligible for government assistance making for bigger bureaucracy and more government.

FortWayne says

You were never forced to shop there, plenty of companies are there, and until Obamacare you didn't have to carry insurance at all.

Both hospitals and insurance companies are very strictly licensed, with a bias towards minimizing supply. Obamacare of course is yet another scheme to siphon American medical consumer money that could have been spent much more cost-effectively overseas, like in Thailand and Mexico.

FortWayne says

Why would markets be more smooth, where is less government regulation coming from? The only difference is now there are more people looking for same jobs.

The cost of enforcement and compliance is not negligible. Even besides the bureaucrats and more forms and checks that employers have to do, the difference is not just more people looking for the same jobs: every human being is also a consumer in the local economy, every lowering of production cost enables more jobs. Someone willing bake 50 loaves of bread while eating only 1 loaf instead of 2 loaves means there are more loaves available for the rest of the population.

FortWayne says

And restaurants charge the maximum they can charge, and all already hire illegals, that isn't going to change.

Going out to eat has a very price sensitive demand curve. Restaurants come and go all the time depending on consumer pattern. Lowering cost of doing business in an expensive town by hiring people from nearby less expensive towns happen all the time.

FortWayne says

Now you'll just have more of these illegals working off the books and eligible for government assistance making for bigger bureaucracy and more government.

Welfare is an entirely different issue. The primary beneficiaries of most welfare programs are not the supposed target population anyway, but the bureaucrats.

The "illegals" as far as I know don't qualify for any government assistance in the form of welfare, EBT, medical. Their kids who were born here are considered citizens and hence are eligible for asssitance. But the "illegals" are not. So I don't frankly understand all this hoopla about them alegedly abusing welfare, etc.

Reality says

Going out to eat has a very price sensitive demand curve. Restaurants come and
go all the time depending on consumer pattern.

Yup, I calculated and by eating basically the same meal at home compared to a restaurant it only costs me about 10% of restaurants' total price by eating at home. I am surprised how some of them stay in business except that some people just don't know how to cook or are just lazy.

dublin hillz says

The "illegals" as far as I know don't qualify for any government assistance in the form of welfare, EBT, medical. Their kids who were born here are considered citizens and hence are eligible for asssitance. But the "illegals" are not. So I don't frankly understand all this hoopla about them alegedly abusing welfare, etc.

wrong. like, by a mile.
A full on invader can get DISABILITY and free medical, and pharm, just by walking into a emergency room followed by calling 222-2222.

invaders and their spawn enjoy free schooling, free school lunch, free dental, free WIC, free EBT, free Section 8 ... there are no residence requirements for any welfare in mexifornia ,,... wanna know how I know?? Because it is ILLEGAL to ask citzen status of a welfare taker.

p.s.. just so you really understand the impact on the welfare system due to the invasion that ramped up after Prop 187 in 1994, you must understand this: as soon as the female is prego she gets full blown assisstance for all of her needs as a mommy and anything the baby may need. Full blown. Wanna guess the birth rate to under18 mexicans? unwed? muliple births to multiple partners before age 18? yea, that info is hard to find. Know why? Hospitals were told to stop publishing it -- guess when ... -- that's correct, around 1994.

and, for the record, as soon as some Repubs find their balls they will force the SupremeCourt to express the difference between a LEGAL visitor/alien having a child (and it being a citizen) and an INVADER dropping an anchor in Welfare Lagoon.