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o you just make this shit up as you go? Back to wikipedia again.
The 1980s oil glutsMain article: 1980s oil glut
OPEC net oil export revenues for 1971 - 2007.[16]In response to the high oil prices of the 1970's, industrial nations took step to reduce dependence on oil. Utilities switched to using coal, natural gas, or nuclear power while national governments initiated multi-billion dollar research programs to develop alternatives to oil. Demand for oil dropped by five million barrels a day while oil production outside of OPEC rose by fourteen million barrels daily by 1986. During this time, the percentage of oil produced by OPEC fell from 50% to 29%. The result was a six-year price decline that culminated with a 46 percent price drop in 1986.
sure.. want to include at as well.. go right ahead... knock yourself out !
sure.. want to include at as well.. go right ahead... knock yourself out
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Huh????
Whatever, you don't make any sense and have a selective and really shitty memory recall system of world history.
Whatever, you don't make any sense and have a selective and really shitty memory recall system of world history.
no matter how much oil is pumped out of region, it goes through the Strait of Hormuz, what happens to costs when a near buy nation has mined the local international waters with mines and attacks ships crossing across the straits. Costs skyrocket due to risk.
Had it not been for the US Navy escort and retaliation due to Iran attacks, it would have
been a turkey shot with heavy losses....
Why is it Iran is threatening to shut the Straits down today ?
Whats the point but cut off oil shipments..the spice must flow...
JodyChunder
2013 Apr 10, 2:29pm
The idea that you could marry a man and wind up being disappointed with his inferior intelligence/intellect is a, paradoxically, a simplistic argument in itself. People excel in different subjects. I don't see why a woman with an IQ of 169 couldn't get along just fine with a solidly competent and good natured carpenter, if they loved one another.
I think that the thing that offended readers was the emphasis on strategy over nature.
no matter how much oil is pumped out of region, it goes through the Strait of
Hormuz, what happens to costs when a near buy nation has mined the local
international waters with mines and attacks ships crossing across the straits.
Costs skyrocket due to risk.
Had it not been for the US Navy escort and retaliation due to Iran attacks,
it would have
been a turkey shot with heavy losses....
Why is it Iran is threatening to shut the Straits down today ?
Now you're trying to somehow rationalize the recent(from 2006 to today) actions by Iran as the price increase, after I proved that there was a glut and ensuing drop in oil prices by OPEC in the 1980s, that finished off the USSR?
I can't follow your thought process, because I'm normal.
First this:
Oil declined form early 1980's because tankers were given safe passage thanks
to Reagan and the US Navy protection from Iranian attacks (a Opec member)...
Opec had nothing to do with it. Iran today is still threatening to shut down the
Strait of Hormus.
and then this:
no matter how much oil is pumped out of region, it goes through the Strait of
Hormuz, what happens to costs when a near buy nation has mined the local
international waters with mines and attacks ships crossing across the straits.
Costs skyrocket due to risk.
You contradicted yourself, and neither response makes any sense or has any basis in reality.
that finished off the USSR?
well... that just breaks my fucking heart. too bad all the major republics went their
own way as did much of Eastern Europe joining NATO.
You contradicted yourself, and neither response makes any sense or has any basis in reality.
you can thank Ronald Reagan and US Navy for safe conduct through a war zone..
had they not, no matter supply (glut) flowed into other nations, it was at high risk of
being attacked. Not that hard to understand, since Iran was attacking many ships.
well... that just breaks my fucking heart. too bad all the major republics
went their
own way as did much of Eastern Europe joining NATO.
You should just stop while you're behind. The more BS that you post, the dumber that you look.
you can thank Ronald Reagan and US Navy for safe conduct through a war
zone..
Yea, except that there wasn't any of the US Navy present there(Strait of Hormuz) when you claim. Why would there be, considering the skirmish between Iran and Iraq, that Reagan was playing both sides of.
Really, you aren't doing yourself any good, just stop before you embarrass yourself any further.
Really, you aren't doing yourself any good, just stop before you embarrass yourself any further.
why are you apologizing for the fall of the USSR.. you rather live there.. do you miss them ?
why are you apologizing for the fall of the USSR.. you rather live there.. do
you miss them ?
I'm not, and never have. You however, claimed that it(the fall of the USSR) was done by your pathetic idol Reagan, and I proved you wrong.........more than once. Like I said, you are only going to look worse because of your total lack of factual(not mythical right wing BS)history.
pathetic idol Reagan, and I proved you wrong.........more than once. Like I said, you are only going to look worse because of your total lack of factual(not mythical right wing BS)history.
sounds like an apologist, excuse for failure. Im sure your average Soviet citizen
didnt mind standing in line for hours ...
In soviet union .. and Ipod line is for daily bread...
.
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sounds like an apologist, excuse for failure. Im sure your average Soviet
citizen
didnt mind standing in line for hours ...
In soviet union .. and Ipod line is for daily bread...
Feel free to entertain yourself with your delusions, and as to what any lines have to do with the downfall of the USSR that was brought on by the drop in oil prices, is in your mind a milestone.
Maybe you should go back to spouting off your shortcomings about the economy, where only you believe that you're right.
Feel free to entertain yourself with your delusions, and as to what any lines have to do with the downfall of the USSR that was brought on by the drop in oil prices, is in your mind a milestone.
Maybe you should go back to spouting off your shortcomings about the economy, where only you believe that you're right.
... so you want to go to your grave thinking the USSR failed because the fall of oil prices,
sure I can live with that... go right ahead !
so you want to go to your grave thinking the USSR failed because the fall of
oil prices,
sure I can live with that... go right ahead !
The USSR fell, and that's not a bad thing at all. It will take a couple of generations there(mainly Russia) to adjust and overcome the ways of the past.
However, if you would have claimed that the Reagan administration using Bush sr as a negotiator with the Saudis to bring on the price plummet, I would probably agree with that. Bush sr has a long history with the Saudis, and it probably began when he was at the CIA, and continued on after that. And it makes more sense than anything else you coughed up.
MisdemeanorRebel
2013 Apr 11, 1:27am
The Soviet Union fell because the Communist Party Insider's kids were wearing Levi's and Iron Maiden T-Shirts, when everybody else wore the same shit.
That's what killed the Soviet Union. People said "Classless society, my ass!"
The Insiders in those Levis, btw, became the "Oligarchs" of the 90s.
leo707
2013 Apr 11, 2:22am
Good grief. Love your selective faux outrage.
? WTF are you talking about? Yes, all kinds of people commit violations of human rights, and they all should be condemned for doing so.
Please feel free to post the quote where I think that people who have committed gross violations of human rights should be given a free pass.
Feel free to use my entire posting history to draw from.
Here I will give you an example of how it is done...
Oliver North? For real?
I also don't mind arming people to fight Marxists in South America.
So, you post in support of Oliver North and his aid -- even when that aid was in direct violation of the US Constitution -- to the Contras (even through the Contras were not fighting Marxists). You seem to have no problem supporting a group that literally -- not metaphorically, but literally committed acts that put them on the same moral ground as serial killers, rapists and child killers. You basically want to excuse Oliver North -- nay, call him a hero -- for putting his arm around people like Ted Bundy, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, etc. giving them a fat roll of cash and saying, "go do your thing boys!" as he points them towards schools, medical clinics, etc.
And, it is all OK, because the victims targeted by North's proteges lived in a country run by a liberal-socialist democratically elected government that you don't like. I hate to think of what kind of action you would approve of against Americans with whom you politically disagree with. Are you a Jim David Atkisson, Byron Williams, or Martin Hohenegger in the making or do you merely endorse people like that, and think it is a good idea to support them with government funds?
Yet, you spit, froth and gnash your teeth because some ex-Weathermen got Ivy League teaching jobs. Please, please...Please! find anyone hired by any accredited university in the US that is guilty of anything close to the crimes that Oliver North used our tax dollars to fund.
Ha, ha, right, talk about faux outrage.
FortWayne
2013 Apr 11, 2:52am
This reporter is a complete knuckle head. He looks at this poor old man, who is down on his luck, completely screwed over by the system, who is ranting against capitalism, and jumps to arguing socialism vs capitalism.
But we all know that no matter what the system is, it's still ran by human beings and we humans do tend to screw other human beings for personal gain or profit. And until we all humans become better, arguing capitalism vs socialism is a moot point.
A car is only as good as the parts in it, a system is only as good as the people in it.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 11, 3:55am
Oh, so butchering, raping, terrorizing, and torturing civilians is A-OK in your book, just as long as the perpetrators share your political views?
That's what the right always refers to as "family values".
? WTF are you talking about? Yes, all kinds of people commit violations of
human rights, and they all should be condemned for doing so.
Please feel free to post the quote where I think that people who have
committed gross violations of human rights should be given a free pass.
Have you condemned Obama for arming much worse people in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia....? These people torture, kidnap, cut off heads, blow up moques, synagogues and churches.
The Contras were pikers compared to various sectarian and Islamist groups we are currently doing business with.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama (or Ollie's) efforts to arm folks in the greater struggle against Authoritarians. I am just laughing at your selective outrage and apparent total lack of knowledge of current events.
But we all know that no matter what the system is, it's still ran by human beings and we humans do tend to screw other human beings for personal gain or profit.
As have the Socialist done in Eastern Europe/Soviet Union. But you have to be a well connected party member to enjoy the perks, without standing in line.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 12, 12:06am
Is it too late to point out that the OP misspelled "ugliness"?
Too late, no. Too petty, yes.
I can't talk now, but someone on the Internet is wrong. And it's the worst kind of wrong: spelling.
Vicente
2013 Apr 12, 6:05am
Soviet Union
Are you posting through a time portal from 1986? News from THE FUTURE, the Soviet Union doesn't exist.
The biggest Communist country now is China, which many in the FIRE-worshipping circles seem to regard grudgingly as some sort of success story.
FortWayne
2013 Apr 12, 6:19am
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
Vicente
2013 Apr 12, 6:41am
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
They certainly claim to be Communists. Seems like people who worship capitalism, don't really care one with if Liberty is coincident. SovU bad, China good, largely because one did a better job at it (so far) than the other. Thus Thomas is wasting his time (and ours) talking about the dead SovU when he should be comparing China.
Dan8267
2013 Apr 12, 6:51am
Soviet Union
Are you posting through a time portal from 1986? News from THE FUTURE, the Soviet Union doesn't exist.
Holy shit! thomaswong.1986 is Michelle Bachmann! That explains why I have never seen the two at the same time!
leo707
2013 Apr 12, 7:39am
Have you condemned Obama for arming much worse people in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia....? These people torture, kidnap, cut off heads, blow up moques, synagogues and churches.
The Contras were pikers compared to various sectarian and Islamist groups we are currently doing business with.
Haha, yes I understand that the value you put on a human life of a person who is abused and/or murdered by people that share your political opinions is very low. However, that hardly changes the facts of actually atrocities committed.
Yes, I have and do condemn Obama for supporting groups/people with poor human rights records, but clearly you are totally unfamiliar with the types of atrocities committed -- illegally, with the use of our tax dollars -- by the Contras. There is not a war crime that you can think of, or committed by any of the groups you listed, that was not perpetrated by the contras.
You seem to have no problem supporting a group that literally -- not metaphorically, but literally committed acts that put them on the same moral ground as serial killers, rapists and child killers.
Perhaps you missed the bolded "literally" when comparing the contrast to "serial killers, rapists and child killers." Yes, I did mean LITERALLY please look into it (and past similar apologists like yourself) and you will see that these were more than mere collateral effects of war, that even happen in the US Military (that actually may punish and discourage such actions), but were SOP for the contras.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama (or Ollie's) efforts to arm folks in the greater struggle against Authoritarians.
Right, because all the entirely innocent civilians -- man, woman and child -- who are horribly abused and murdered in the process are well worth the sacrificing of putting an despotic authoritarian into power with whom you agree with.
I am just laughing at your selective outrage and apparent total lack of knowledge of current events.
? but you still have not been able to find any past posts of mine that would support that? I was able to clearly demonstrate your "selective outrage." Obviously grown from the diseased seed of FOX "news" misinformation, planted in whatever that fertile matter is that you have chosen to fill your brain pan with.
Oh wait...you probably don't ever need much support for your well intrenched ill-conceived thoughts steeped thoroughly in truthiness.
Yes, I have and do condemn Obama for supporting groups/people with poor human rights records, but clearly you are totally unfamiliar with the types of atrocities committed -- illegally, with the use of our tax dollars -- by the Contras. There is not a war crime that you can think of, or committed by any of the groups you listed, that was not perpetrated by the contras.
So you do not mention AGAIN two members were former opposition to the former regime and members of the Sandinista Junta who joined the Contras because the realized Ortega was creating a communist state.. as Castro did in Cuba, creating a Soviet Client State. No matter what, Nicaragua wasnt going to be a puppet state of the USSR.
Ortega saw what happened to the Communist leaders in Europe and he knew his life was coming to an end. ...
The Sandinista War on Human Rights
July 19, 1983
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1983/07/the-sandinista-war-on-human-rights
Recent statements by a former Sandinista Intelligence officer dis closed that some 5,000 Nicaraguans were slaughtered in the early months of Sandinista rule. The Sandinistas have assassinated and kidnapped their opponents whether inside or out of Nicaragua.
Examples: the murders of Commander Bravo in Honduras, Jorge Salazar in Managua, Hector Frances in Costa Rica, and Anastasio Somoza in Paraguay. Repression is not limited to political foes.
Nicaraguans who refuse to bow to Sandinista rule are likely to be harassed, arrested or tortured. If an individual fails to conform to Sandinista standards, he will be prohibited from obtaining em ployment, food and shelter. Enforcing this is a vast domestic security network. A Nicaraguan today, in sum, enjoys few human civil or political rights THE PERMANEWT COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGH!I!S The Perma n ent Commission of Nicaraguan Human Rights (CPDH was 'founded in April 20, 1977, in Managua. During the Somoza regime, reports of human rights vio.lations by the regime were allowed to be published daily by the CPDH and'were frequently quoted by the intern a tional press. Amnesty International, for example, was able to monitor violations in Nicaragua based on the reports of the Commission 3 In a 1982 interview in Washington, D.C., Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez, then National Coordinator of the Permanent Commissio n said that under Somoza he could "call the editors of major U.S newspapers and my statements concerning violations of human rights by the Somoza regime made headlines the following day they don't even answer my calls."
Washington, Dr. Gonzalez had been fo rced into exile after numerous threats from the Sandinistas and several closures of the Commission's offices in Managua. Dr. Gonzalez believed that he could no longer serve as a functional member of the Commission inside Nicaragua and has since started a human rights group in exile.
Oh wait...you probably don't ever need much support for your well intrenched ill-conceived thoughts steeped thoroughly in truthiness.
Today as back then, the east bay (oakland) has been all about apologies and denial for Marxist ideologies. You are a failure, everyone can see that.. you need not point to any FOX news channel to see that. No one in this world be they from other US States, or overseas in Europe, Asia or anywhere else would trust such perverted cronism as what you have spewed.
We will never bow down to Socialism.
The Sandinista War on Human Rights
July 19, 1983
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1983/07/the-sandinista-war-on-human-rights
You do know that the Heritage Foundation was part of a program within the Reagan administration to "sell" his admins support for the Contras? Most people would call it propaganda, and yet you have never wondered why the US congress passed the numerous Boland Amendments, have you?
You do know that the Heritage Foundation was part of a program within the Reagan administration to "sell" his admins support for the Contras? Most people would call it propaganda, and yet you have never wondered why the US congress passed the numerous Boland Amendments, have you?
Good for them, they did the right thing.. so what about the Human Rights violations as reported by Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez... well you just ignore that. You do realize Boland Amendments expired after 1985. They were amendments written into the annual budgets.. was in subsequent defense budgets ? 1986 87 88 89 ?
Good for them, they did the right thing.. so what about the Human Rights
violations as reported by Dr. Jose Esteban Gonzalez... well you just ignore
that. You do realize Boland Amendments expired after 1985.
Written again in 85, and was for the fiscal year 86.
Washington, Dr. Gonzalez had been fo rced into exile after numerous threats
from the Sandinistas and several closures of the Commission's offices in
Managua. Dr. Gonzalez believed that he could no longer serve as a functional
member of the Commission inside Nicaragua and has since started a human rights
group in exile.
Gee, I wonder where he got some money to start that group, and what a coincidence, a very hard right group(Heritage) gives him a megaphone to help justify and support Reagan's actions there on trying to overthrow a democratically elected, but ideolically opposite government.
PeopleUnited
2013 Apr 12, 2:34pm
China isn't communist, China is totalitarian. Hell, they are better capitalists than we are.
Whose "they" the slave labor or the party leaders?
Written again in 85, and was for the fiscal year 86.
keep going.. for how many years was it written into the Annual Defense spending bill ?
"The Boland Amendment was the name given to three U.S. legislative amendments between 1982 and 1984.....No court ever made a determination whether Boland covered the NSC, and because it was a prohibition rather than a criminal statute, no one could be indicted for violating it. Opponents alleged that the White House violated the amendment. Congress later resumed aid to the Contras, totaling over $300 million."
If the Contras were so Evil.. why was there popular support in the rural areas. And who was elected president once the Sandinista were swept away... Ortega and his cronies had their days numbered as USSR disintegrated...starting with Gorbachev cutting off all aid.
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As ugly and despicable as the right is, it does not have a monopoly on ugliness. Recently, a successful female Princeton graduate, Susan Patton -- one of the first women to attend Princeton, by the way -- recently wrote a short, honest letter in which she advocated that Princeton women follow a long-term dating strategy in college rather than a short-term stating strategy. Patton argues that college is the best time for women to secure a husband and that who a woman marries will be instrumental in her happiness.
Of course, everything Patton said is undeniably true. College is the time in which both men and women have access to the greatest pool of eligible mates with similar interests and life situations, with the freedom to live anywhere, and the least emotional, financial, and physical baggage.
It is also indisputably true that mate selection is one of the most important, if not the most important, decision a man or woman will ever, ever make in his or her life. A happy marriage makes for a far better life than a miserable one. And as indicated the sheer ferociousness of the mating market, competition for high quality mates is extremely high for both straight men and women. (I would think that such competition would also be extremely high in homosexual and bisexual mating markets, but I'll leave that for another thread.) Not that being single can't be great, but even then, your family is an essential part of your life. If you do get married, that doesn't become less true.
So, Susan Patton advices that women at Princeton consider shifting from "playing the field" (short-term strategy) to "looking for a husband" (long-term strategy). Now, one can argue whether or not Patton is correct. There are many trade-offs in life including marrying young when your options are vast or waiting until your older and your options are limited to what's left over or in the secondary market. There are various pros and cons, and I'm sure this thread will spawn a discussion on those pros and cons and well as the nature of Patton's advice.
However, before we get to that, I would like to point out the utterly unacceptable behavior of the far left which seeks to silence the very discussion of this topic by making personal attacks on Patton and by making dumb Straw Man arguments including the false dichotomy that either a woman of college age must be completely disinterested in husband selection or she is forever doomed to live in the 1950s.
Such arguments and attacks show an irrational opposition to even listening to a discussion that creates a bubble around the left that is essentially the same as the bubble the right lives in. No facts, no ideas, no truth can get inside that bubble. And those living in the bubble must preserve the integrity of that bubble, no matter what the cost.
The letter Susan Patton wrote to The Daily Princetonian
By the way, doesn't Princetonian remind you of Praetorian? Or is that just me?
CNN Video: A nasty leftist attacks Patton
ABC News Video: Reactions to Patton's Letter
OK, have at it...