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CaptainShuddup says

I will post an image of a bill that verifies everything I've been saying since November of last year, if you will then promise to not post on Patnet ever again and quit what ever Social media Liberal bad news spin rescue organization you belong to now.

I'm sure I've told you this 10 times or more, but the major provisions of ACA haven't taken effect yet. So what would you be proving? That health care sucked before ACA? I already agree. Show me something that proves ACA has made healthcare WORSE, because that's what you keep saying.

You might possibly be the most obtuse person I have ever encountered.

CaptainShuddup says

It's the bronze plan the same plan being touted in the OP as a smashing success.

I'm saying while Premiums either will or not be affordable depending on who you ask and who's actually paying it.

The only plan mentioned in the OP is the silver plan. Do you ever get tired of lying?

I don't see how you can have a "bronze" plan, since they don't exist yet.

There are three tiers do you even have insurance?
Or do you just like the idea of everyone else paying into it, while you work for people who are exempt because they are great at community organizing?

CaptainShuddup says

I will post an image of a bill that verifies everything I've been saying since November of last year, if you will then promise to not post on Patnet ever again and quit what ever Social media Liberal bad news spin rescue organization you belong to now.

Deal?

What the...

I don't claim to know how good Obamacare will be. But unlike you, I'm not HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY emotionally invested in it being bad.

I find it fascinating that IF Obama care turned out to not be as bad as you hope it is, THEN you're going to be very disappointed.

I've heard you saying you're for medicare for all or what I think you call socialized medicine. Me too.

The difference is that I understand that Obama didn't think he could get that
(I wish he had gone for it - nut look at the resistance he gets to far less radical change). He thought that would be too much of a traumatic change. So we have a system that has the insurance companies still involved, that attempts to achieve what MIGHT turn out to be impossible.

It is interesting though, that the insurance companies must know, that if health care costs don't drop, they will be replaced by medicare for all.

But here's some logic about Obama care:

Either it's decent,...or

it isn't and we can then take another step closer to the nationalized health care system we should have.

But what the hell is all this emotion you have invested in Obama failing all about ? I'll have to assume it's some kind of "southern" thing.

Well what in the hell are you worried about then don't worry about everything is fine, Obamacare will be great for you. It's just like they promised, even with a fucking cherry on top.

You don't even have insurance, so don't worry about it.
It will all be free right?

Jack Ass!

And remember Children I bitch about it first, long before those other clowns even make issue of it...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2407088496001/growing-concern-over-irs-role-in-implementing-obamacare/?playlist_id=1621774019001

CaptainShuddup says

There are three tiers do you even have insurance?

Do you? 'Cuz I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Anthem, for example, has 10 different plans available. There's no "three tiers".

https://www.anthem.com/ca/health-insurance/plans-and-benefits/health-insurance-plan

By the way, Captain, I don't know why I should help you, but...

If you are getting bills from your doctor for things that the insurance was supposed to cover, the doctor is trying to scam you. They have a negotiated rate with the insurance company, and the doctor wants more money for the procedure than the insurance company wants to pay. It happened to me. They're hoping you'll just send them a check. I had to make some phone calls to get them to drop the charges.

CaptainShuddup says

You don't even have insurance, so don't worry about it.

I have insurance.

CaptainShuddup says

Jack Ass!

Was it my logic and common sense that pissed you off ?

Or was it more about the laser like precision of my observations about your heavy investment in Obamacare being a failure as well as Obama in general.

My advice: try to learn to be less emotional about these things. At this point you are far to predisposed to assuming that Obama is bad. It's affecting (notice my proper use of this word) your ability to think straight.

Good thing it isn't an interpersonal relationship. Because with that much bias in a relationship, your negative expectations would be sure to be self fulfilling.

Sure thing, every thing's coming up roses Ethel.

Homeboy, should this thread be in HealthCare and not Politics? Can it be moved?

Moving it is very easy. Just open edit, for the original post, and find the drop down selector, and change the selection to health.

Maybe he feels like it gets more views here. It is a political issue too.