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edvard2 says

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Basically says the same thing.

Why was that written.. was it written because we were atheist nation ? or to prevent
religious sect wars as was seen in early years of colonial life and European history.

The concept was implicit in the flight of Roger Williams from religious oppression in the Massachusetts Bay Colony to found the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations on the principle of state neutrality in matters of faith.

Church and state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams_(theologian)#Church_and_state

Williams had read their writings, and his own experience of persecution by Archbishop Laud and the Anglican establishment and the bloody wars of religion that raged in Europe at that very time convinced him that a state church had no basis in Scripture. Clearly he had arrived at this conclusion before he landed in Boston in 1631 because he criticized the Massachusetts Bay system immediately for mixing church and state.

He declared that the state could legitimately concern itself only with matters of civil order, but not religious belief. The state had no business in trying to enforce the "first Table" of the Ten Commandments, those first commandments that dealt with the relationship between God and persons. The state must confine itself to the commandments that dealt with the relations between people: murder, theft, adultery, lying, honoring parents, and so forth.

finehoe says

Wrong again.

"...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

What treaty ?

was it written into the Arab version signed by the Pirates..
the treaty (english text) was changed to delete the lines. so frankly it no long exists as any part of a treaty..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

Treaty of Tripoli signed on July 4, 1805 superseded the 1796 treaty. The 1805 treaty did not contain the phrase "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

finehoe says

When did they add the extra two?

you got me there.. 10 it is...

sbh says

The reference to Sharia law in America is not spurious, especially if one even barely hears the loudest voices from the religious right in this country.

We do not in our our western tradition going back 100s of years have anything like wide spread Government backed Sharia Laws as the Muslims do. You might find small communities centuries ago, but they are insignificant compared to Islam.

edvard2 says

Its a great idea except to those on the right being spoon-fed "information" from the very corporations who don't want to have Obamacare implemented

Tell me Ed, did these Corporations get to see the details after or before they spoonfed the info to the voters, or the Senators for that matter. All's I know is that Pelosi had that machete over everyone's head, saying you have to vote for it before you get to see it? How fucked up is that? Are you saying the corporations had access to the 'info' before the Senators and voters? Is this not called Obamacare or Corporation-Care?

I think your fallacy statement both doesn't make sense, and has less than no worth. You didn't answer the question. Liberals and the vast majority of the media (sans Fox, talk radio and the few non-liberal newspapers) voted/approved/cheerleaded the Obamacare effort, and now that the lies have been proven false, nobody wants this. I'm sure you don't want this. This is the hypocrisy I'm talking about, and your "oooh, you are drinking corpororate Kool-Aid" insinuation is a pathetic distraction.... Why did Maine ask for the waiver? Why don't they want this "wonderful" solution to healthcare? Hmmm? Why are unions against it? small and large businesses? What's your explanation?

someone tell ed that the unions wanted out of ObamCare right behind those pukes in DC that wanted out.

edvard2 says

I'm not at all upset about this supposed "Trampling of the 2nd amendment" as you
say because that isn't happening.

lol ... priceless