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NSA offers the best careers for STEM graduates, thus, if I were these kids, I wouldn't burn one of the few bridges which actually has a payoff in the end.

"I don't believe the NSA is telling complete lies." That's going to be a classic t-shirt slogan.

This job isn't for everyone. You must be able to look the other way, be completely morally corrupt and have absolutely no ethics to fit in.

Rin says

NSA offers the best careers for STEM graduates, thus, if I were these kids, I wouldn't burn one of the few bridges which actually has a payoff in the end.

CS and math perhaps. I think the operations branch recruits from another pool entirely.

FortWayne says

This job isn't for everyone. You must be able to look the other way, be completely morally corrupt and have absolutely no ethics to fit in.

And you know this from personal experience?

FortWayne says

New Renter says

All those protesters are doing is locking themselves out of a job.

But that's not the right way to think about it. What about morality? After all, people should take jobs they actually want to do. Not a job they'll hate every minute of.

People with your mentality took jobs at Gestapo to kill jews in 1930's. You think about that.

All hail Godwin's Law!

People were desperate for ANY work in 1930s Germany. Many Germans also wrongfully blamed the Jewish bankers sent to represent Germany at the Paris Peace Conference for the punishing reparations imposed on Germany for the war. To a few of those Germans punishing the Jews WAS the moral act.

New Renter says

To a few of those Germans punishing the Jews WAS the moral act.

Most of them knew damn well they were committing genocide. No normal human being can slaughter an entire villages of people and not feel any remorse.

And it's a comparison to Nazis because the shoe fits buddy, because you sounded like you are ok with looking the other way even when government abuses it's citizens.

New Renter says

Rin says

NSA offers the best careers for STEM graduates, thus, if I were these kids, I wouldn't burn one of the few bridges which actually has a payoff in the end.

CS and math perhaps. I think the operations branch recruits from another pool entirely.

Actually, much of the applied sciences because a lot of what they do is risk assessment which include chemical production, deliver, biohazards, you name it, technically. Now, granted the CS and Applied Math folks get the more intriguing work but hey, for an S&E, being able to study process engineering and where the problems are, from a natl sec p.o.v., is more than what most ppl in DuPont do nowadays.

FortWayne says

New Renter says

To a few of those Germans punishing the Jews WAS the moral act.

Most of them knew damn well they were committing genocide. No normal human being can slaughter an entire villages of people and not feel any remorse.

And it's a comparison to Nazis because the shoe fits buddy, because you sounded like you are ok with looking the other way even when government abuses it's citizens.

Its a FAR cry between listening in on the phone call of a suspected sleeper agent and brutally slaughtering millions of innocent people.

New Renter says

Its a FAR cry between listening in on the phone call of a suspected sleeper agent and brutally slaughtering millions of innocent people.

Just because you don't understand or comprehend rights and how they can be taken away with this system does not make it "innocent" or "insignificant".

FortWayne says

New Renter says

Its a FAR cry between listening in on the phone call of a suspected sleeper agent and brutally slaughtering millions of innocent people.

Just because you don't understand or comprehend rights and how they can be taken away with this system does not make it "innocent" or "insignificant".

The problem here is the potential for someone in power, to abuse one's authority whereas in the case of the Nazis, that was the M.O. of the entire fascist govt.

Thus, expanded NSA powers, without some Congressional oversight, will lead to a type of oligarch security state whereas those with the means, generally the rich and well-connected, will abuse others, like up and coming political or business rivals, but be able to cloak everything under a national security visage.