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Both calls were made by proven liars. So I think the speculation is alive and well as to whether TM tried to "run away". Buffering this position is that TM had 4 minutes to cover 40-50 yards, and be safely in his fathers girlfriends house. He chose not to use that time wisely. That sure does not sound like TM tried to get away.
So you have two phone calls by proven liars indicating TM was "running" or "trying to get away", versus a 4 minute gap where TM could have crawled and gotten to his fathers girlfriends house safely, which for some reason he chose not to do. Which is more believable?
No speculation here. Both Zimmerman's 911 call and TM's girlfriend agree that at one point TM tried to run or walk quickly away from Zimmerman.
Rachel is just not credible. I take her phone call testimony with a grain of salt.
You mean Trayvon's girlfriend who admitted to lying about what exactly happened because "she wanted to appease Trayvon's mom" who was sitting next to her?
Hmmmmmm.
men don't scream when they get beat up.
My oldest brother was as huge as WWF wrestling star, he was grown and out of the house when we were kids. We used to bust his balls, because when me and my other two brothers would jump on him when we would play wrestle, he would scream in a high pitched voice, much like the voice on that tape. He would then kick our asses for poking fun at him.
Everyone agrees that we don't know much about what happened, because essentially the only two who do are Zimmerman and Martin, with Martin dead.
Except, of course, we know the following for sure:
1) Martin was minding his own business, reading the Bible in his vehicle, as so many of us do in the evening.
2) Out of the corner of his eye, just above the framed photo of Ronald Reagan on his dashboard, he sees a young black man, clearly high on Crink -- the new meth/PCP/THC/Skittles concoction that these young bucks are going berzerk and doing crimes on -- brachiating down the sidewalk.
3) Concerned for said black man's safety, Zimmerman drives after him, stopping and offering to drive him to the hospital, just as he would have done for a white kid in the same situation.
4) The black man, out of his mind with criminality and drugs, physically yanks Zimmerman from the car, beats him and, finding a gun in Zimmerman's waistband, presses it into Zimmerman's hand and commits suicide by forcing Zimmerman's finger to the trigger. This is in keeping with direct instructions from President Obama. In the background, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson swill Night Train and cackle with glee.
5) All witnesses lending credence to the portrait of Zimmerman as a saintly concerned citizen are believable. All witnesses casting doubt on this theory are proven liars and unreliable.
6) A non-black man having a gun is a sign of good character and patriotism. A black man having a gun is a sign that he is a criminal.
7) We're not racist, so stop saying that. Calling someone racist is the lowest and cheapest way out of an argument. By the way: you're racist.
Still, we don't really know much about what exactly transpired, so it's all speculative, but we are right about all the details of what went down that night.
Play wrestle is not a fight. Men don't scream when getting beat.
men don't scream when they get beat up.
My oldest brother was as huge as WWF wrestling star, he was grown and out of the house when we were kids. We used to bust his balls, because when me and my other two brothers would jump on him when we would play wrestle, he would scream in a high pitched voice, much like the voice on that tape. He would then kick our asses for poking fun at him.
Have you ever heard of GOOGLE?
He wasn't.
You still have not provided the link showing the scream for 'help' and the gunshot simultaneously.
And why would Zimmerman yell for help while he is shooting the guy?
So you don't have any proof.
Thanks for the clarification.
Have you ever heard of GOOGLE?
He wasn't.
You still have not provided the link showing the scream for 'help' and the gunshot simultaneously.
And why would Zimmerman yell for help while he is shooting the guy?
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I felt sad when I saw the verdict in the George Zimmerman case. I shall speak now as one who attended law school but did not graduate. In almost any legal jurisdiction in the world, if someone shoots an unarmed person, even if that person is a policeman or soldier, the person doing the shooting is in serious trouble. A conviction for manslaughter often follows and one is sent away to jail for some time. I honestly felt that Zimmerman was guilty of terrible bad judgment and such a verdict was warranted.
I feel that the way Florida wrote its definition of self defense tied the hands of the jury and left them with no option but to find Zimmerman not guilty.
This is a sad case where everyone including the taxpayers of the state of Florida lost "big time."
My father had some words of wisdom that apply here as follows: "Son a gun will get you into more trouble than it will ever get you out of."