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He also suggested that the outcome of the case could have been different if Martin were white.

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said, "both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

Obama could have been Trayvon Martin.

Obama is a violent man who killed 800 innocent civilians with his drone strikes over a 4 year period (and just 22 Al-Qaeda officers) or 200 a year, over 4 times the number (48 a year according to Dianne Feinstein who has no motivation to understate the numbers) murdered domestically using so-called "assault weapons."

If that violent streak was present in his youth before he could have people killed by remote control he might have attacked the wrong person and had his career cut short by an act of justifiable homicide when some one defended themself.

Obama is also right about the outcome being different if Martin was white. In that situation when "white rights" activists like the KKK started agitating for Zimmerman's arrest they'd have been justifiably dismissed as racists so Zimmerman would not have needed a seven figure murder defense.

puhim says

He also suggested that the outcome of the case could have been different if
Martin were white.

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said,
"both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

Does he mean that if the white male teenager was on top of Zimmerman, beating him, that Zimmerman would not have shot?

Blurtman says

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said,

"both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

It would have been different cause no one would have given a shit.

Trayvon could have been me?? Really, so you went around in a hoodie, with a package of skiddles and an iced tea, looking in people's windows at night? I don't think so. You attacked a man, jumped on top of him, pounding the heck out of him and slamming his head against the concrete? Not likely. No, I don't think that your upbringing in Hawaii in any way made you like Trayvon. Sheesh Obama is a loser.

Moderate Infidel says

Blurtman says

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said,

"both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

It would have been different cause no one would have given a shit.

Conversely, if Trayvon was wearing a suit and tie, perhaps dressed like a young Mormon man (requently strangers to neighborhoods), we wouldn't be here. The criteria of what "suspicious" means is at the heart of the issue. If the incidence of crime committed by young African American males is disproportionate to their representation in society, then if you are a neighborhood watchman, should you follow an unknown young African American male who is walking through your burglarized community during a time when burglaries have occurred?

Moderate Infidel says

Blurtman says

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said,

"both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

It would have been different cause no one would have given a shit.

Perhaps. But if the community had been burglarized repeatedly by young, white males, and an unknown young white male was walking through the community at an hour when burglaries had occurred, he may very well have been followed.

Blurtman says

Perhaps. But if the community had been burglarized repeatedly by young, white males, and an unknown young white male was walking through the community at an hour when burglaries had occurred, he may very well have been followed.

Yeah but he would have told his girlfriend he was being followed by a "creepy ass wetback".

I'm not surprised Obama is heavily race baiting and trying to further polarize the issue around race.

He was taking a lot heat after Snowden exposed him and his government for violating pretty much every privacy law in the books, now he's in the clear because everyone is focused on one out of the thousands of black kids that die every year from violence (mostly at the hands of other black males).

Heck, no one even cares about Snowden anymore.

So we as a nation focus on...
... Voter rights?
... NSA spying on every communication we send and received?
... the FBI using drones to spy on "criminals"?

... natural gas companies polluting the water supplies of tens of thousands of private citizens so they get cancer at a 1000% increase rate above the norm?

Nope. Let's focus on a hispanic guy shooting a black guy in self-defense, and turn it into a black vs white thing so people really get riled up.

I better be careful, this post is being monitored and tracked.

I thought Obama's speech was a good one because it was coming from a black experience, and frankly, that's the experience of a lot of black Americans. And that is the issue here, how different silos view the same event.

But he also should have discussed the disproportionate crime statistics of African American males. And that is why his speech was a bit incomplete, and perhaps a bit disingenuous.

One non liberal African American commentator on one of today's political talk shows tried to make the point that if you grow up in an inner city urban environmanent, that being followed, and your response to being followed, will be different than if you grow up in nice white suburb. But he was alsomost arguing for different treatment of African American males which is a slippery slope.

Blurtman says

But he also should have discussed the disproportionate crime statistics of African American males. And that is why his speech was a bit incomplete, and perhaps a bit disingenuous.

Yes because if the chance that random selected a white teen is a criminal and currently engaged in criminal behavior is 1 in 32,000, where as the chance that a randomly selected black teenager is a criminal that is currently involved in criminal behavior is 1 in 18000, then that somehow totally justifies stalking and ultimately killing random black teenagers.

By the way those numbers are made up, but for anyone with common sense and number sense, obviously the chance that a random black teen is not only a criminal, but also currently involved in a criminal activity is much smaller than 1 in 18000.

Actually, a read of the transcripts indicates that the president did acknowldege, subtly, and perhaps in an off hand way, the disproportionate crime statistics of African American males.

"Now, this isn’t to say that the African-American community is naive about the fact that African-American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system, that they are disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context."