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puhim says

that is Bigsby you are someone who asks like a dick for evidence of something and then denies what is in-front of him

No, I'm quite happy to review evidence from respected medical journals because I have no problem taking a range of extra vitamins if it is demonstrated that I'm not getting what is needed from a good balanced diet. However, startling as it may seem, just like I don't get my facts about 9/11 from 9/11truthers.org (or whatever it's called), I don't get well supported medical information from alternative medical websites because, surprise, surprise, they aren't well-supported.

Bigsby says

No, I'm quite happy to review evidence from respected medical journals because I have no problem taking a range of extra vitamins if it is demonstrated that I'm not getting what is needed from a good balanced diet. However, startling as it may seem, just like I don't get my facts about 9/11 from 9/11truthers.org (or whatever it's called), I don't get well supported medical information from alternative medical websites because, surprise, surprise, they aren't well-supported.

Do you realize how asleep you are?

Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
[Takes a bite of steak]
Cypher: Ignorance is bliss.

puhim says

Bigsby says

Yes, it says everything that needs to be said that you favour an alternative medicine website over widely respected medical journals. You are indeed a free-thinker... free of any brain cells that is.

Your logic makes no sense. For one I never claimed that I would never reference mainstream journals. In fact even Harvard articles are left out amongst many, many other so-called "MAINSTREAM" studies.

My process was to show that you infact could not think beyond your own nose.

Gaga goo goo.

Pre-programmed zombie.

You sound like your are suffering Serious Arrested Development but I'm no doctor!

Then why are you only referencing articles from the 1930s and an alternative med site? I'd be more than happy to read some research from the many well-respected medical journals out there - you know, the ones that scientists actually want to get published in.

Bigsby says

because, surprise, surprise, they aren't well-supported.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n05.shtml

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, January 21, 2010

How to Fool All of the People All of the Time:
US Taxpayers Fund Library Censorship

(OMNS, January 21, 2010) At a recent emergency meeting of the World Headquarters Of Pharmaceutical Politicians, Educators, and Reporters (WHOPPER):

"Ladies and gentlemen, we have a slight problem. The public is beginning to complain about how the US National Library of Medicine censors nutritional research. This is embarrassing, as the last thing we want is for taxpayers to question how their tax money is spent. It is none of their damn business. But it is definitely a matter of business, big business, for WHOPPER.

"Up until now, when people write to complain about journal censorship ( custserv@nlm.nih.gov ) , we've managed to get away with NLM sending out this form letter reply: 'The National Library of Medicine (NLM) uses a 15-person advisory committee of health professionals and librarians to recommend titles to be indexed. This committee uses guidelines, available to the public on our website, such as scientific merit, importance of the content to the scientific community, and editorial processes to assist it in making recommendations. Additional information about journal selection is available at http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/jsel.html '

"The beauty of this is that we do not have to follow the published guidelines. We control the National Library of Medicine so skillfully that we got Medline to index publications that are not medical journals at all. We are enormously proud to say that Medline indexes Time magazine, Newsweek, US News and World Report, and Consumer Reports. But not the peer-reviewed Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, continuously published for more than 40 years, nor the peer-reviewed journal Fluoride, also published for decades.

"Yes, there are about 2,000 indexed articles on Medline/PubMed just from Time magazine. Here: see for yourself what a great job we've done. Go to Medline ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed ) and do your own two-second search for "time magazine". Then try Newsweek: over 1,900 Medline responses. US News and World Report: over 2,000 articles indexed by Medline. Medline also indexes several hundred articles from Consumer Reports. Check and see. It is quickest if you search Medline/PubMed by putting quotes around the magazine's name.

"Medline even indexes two dozen articles from Reader's Digest. (search for "read dig.")

"Isn't this terrific?

"While it is embarrassingly obvious that these are not medical journals, there is nothing the public can do about it. Medline indexes what its Literature Selection Technical Review Committee tells it to. The committee's members are all appointed; none are elected. They meet behind closed doors. No public input is accepted. (1) No taxpayer can communicate with them or attend hearings, because there aren't any hearings.

"Quite a system, isn't it? But hey, even Al Capone knew that a picked jury guarantees the verdict. We have a good little racket going here, and we are not about to change it for 150 million silly vitamin-pill-popping voters. They will read what we decide they should read.

"Some WHOPPER members are concerned that, after this story broke on the internet, a few nutritional crackpots are writing to their Congressperson and Senators and demanding action. We understand that questions being asked include, 'Why is there journal censorship in a public library? Why the secrecy? Why is an unelected 'advisory' committee making decisions, in private, about what the public has access to on the National Library of Medicine's tax-funded Medline service? Should a select small group, an elite, control a public library in the Land of the Free?'

"Now to reassure you: if you are worried about pressure from the House and the Senate, relax. The people have better things to do with their time than to really push their elected representatives for action on something as small potatoes as the First Amendment. It is true that American patriot Samuel Adams said, 'When arbitrary rulers are put over them, when government is secret, the people become alarmed.'

"But don't worry. He's dead."

References:

(1) Correspondence received from Medline: "If the (journal review) meeting were open to the public, word could circulate about a committee recommendation before a final determination was made . . . While names of review committee members are public information, NLM never discloses names of primary and secondary reviewers for specific journals. Observers could obtain that information and it could affect the openness of discussion and might result in contact with specific reviewers after the meeting. It is NLM's policy to prevent unnecessary contact with specific reviewers."

For free access to over 600 full-text papers from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine:
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/

For access to Fluoride's free online archive:
http://www.fluorideresearch.org/backissues.pdf

Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

Editorial Review Board:

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.
Damien Downing, M.D.
Michael Gonzalez, D.Sc., Ph.D.
Steve Hickey, Ph.D.
James A. Jackson, PhD
Bo H. Jonsson, MD, Ph.D
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D.
Jorge R. Miranda-Massari, Pharm.D.
Erik Paterson, M.D.
Gert E. Shuitemaker, Ph.D.

puhim says

Bigsby says

No, I'm quite happy to review evidence from respected medical journals because I have no problem taking a range of extra vitamins if it is demonstrated that I'm not getting what is needed from a good balanced diet. However, startling as it may seem, just like I don't get my facts about 9/11 from 9/11truthers.org (or whatever it's called), I don't get well supported medical information from alternative medical websites because, surprise, surprise, they aren't well-supported.

Do you realize how asleep you are?

Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?

[Takes a bite of steak]

Cypher: Ignorance is bliss.

Yes, yes, I'm asleep because I prefer to put my trust in the very best scientists who get published in the best medical journals rather than those who can only get published on alt med sites. How foolish I am.

Bigsby says

No, I'm quite happy to review evidence from respected medical journals

slap, wake the fuck up! seriously ... open your eyes! you might learn something.

Your posts are a nonsense. How about the possibility that the research you reference doesn't get published because it doesn't meet the standards required? Or do you think the entire medical establishment is working a grand conspiracy to deny the possibility that mega doses of vitamin supplements may have some beneficial effects? If it is clearly proven that they do and that taking X amount doesn't have any dangerous consequences, then exactly who loses? Unfortunately for you and your ilk, actual respected research on the issue has drawn rather different conclusions to the line you are peddling. To you that is a conspiracy, to the rest of us, it is called widely accepted scientific research.

puhim says

Bigsby says

No, I'm quite happy to review evidence from respected medical journals

slap, wake the fuck up! seriously ... open your eyes! you might learn something.

Eh? What exactly is your argument? That I should rely on an alt med site ahead of the most respected med journals? I think you need to wake the fuck up and try and understand that your megadose vitamin spiel is seen as quackery by the overwhelming majority of doctors and nutrionists.

The article from the Atlantic is the dumbest thing you will ever read.

Absolutely ridiculous don't buy Vitamins, how idiotic.

Only a total moron believes the shit they are shoveling.

Total hit piece on your health. You should be outraged.

robertoaribas says

Eat shit! 500 trillion flies can't be wrong!!!

They aren't! Fecal transplants are an excellent treatment not only for chronic digestive issues such as IBS/chronic gut infections but also for potentially life threatening acute gut infections. Now we just need to wait for a first-hand experience report here on patnet - who's it gonna be? ;)