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Californians: Why do you stay?


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2013 Aug 7, 4:06am   46,419 views  174 comments

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Seems like there is a lot of discussion/discourse on here about living cost, and a lot of it comes from people who list California as their home state.

My question is: With housing prices, taxes, business cost, etc so high, why do you personally choose to stay in California?

The average rent in places like North Beach, San Francisco would buy you a 7,000 sqft McMansion in places like Texas, and you may have left over to get a lease on a nice BMW.

So why do you stay?

- Weather?
- Family?
- Job?
- Unsure?

#housing

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96   anonymous   2013 Aug 8, 8:47am  

Lots of words in this thread, so for brevity sake

Duh. Its Cali-for-nye-aye!

ITS SO EFFEN COOL!

97   Indiana Jones   2013 Aug 8, 8:54am  

As a person who grew up in the Bay Area it really irks me that I have seen my generation (Gen X) be priced out of living here. Most of my friends and practically my entire hs graduating class had to move out to the Central Valley or Sacramento area or further to purchase a house and have a family, while their parents stay on in the Bay Area. The ones who have bought here either bought early in their twenties, are living in their parent's house, had major help from family to purchase a house, or are majorly struggling to keep afloat.

Sometimes I fantasize about moving out of the Bay Area where I could buy a large house with a huge modern kitchen and a big yard, but then I think I'd be THERE, not HERE. So I don't. I stay and suffer the indignities of not being able to afford what my parents (war generation) could afford, even though they made less than I do now. I can't even afford what my older siblings could afford (boomer generation), who bought their homes in the late 80's and early 90's. It comes down to: This is where I am from. My family is here. My friends are here. The weather is nice. And maybe I am being stubborn. I refuse to be pushed out of my home area.

98   Goran_K   2013 Aug 8, 9:11am  

Indiana Jones says

Sometimes I fantasize about moving out of the Bay Area where I could buy a large house with a huge modern kitchen and a big yard, but then I think I'd be THERE, not HERE. So I don't. I stay and suffer the indignities of not being able to afford what my parents (war generation) could afford, even though they made less than I do now. I can't even afford what my older siblings could afford (boomer generation), who bought their homes in the late 80's and early 90's. It comes down to: This is where I am from. My family is here. My friends are here. The weather is nice. And maybe I am being stubborn. I refuse to be pushed out of my home area.

This is the epitome of what people struggle with in pricier areas of SoCal and NorCal.

99   curious2   2013 Aug 8, 9:22am  

Goran_K says

I have found little difference between the Westboro Baptist Church types, and the Athiest who call anyone who believes in any higher power an idiot/brainwashed/robot.

LOL - if you see atheists disrupting the funerals of American soldiers, and even President Clinton's mother, with placards saying the deceased deserve eternal torment, then let me know. Even in red states, most people can see a huge difference. Maybe that's a point in favor of red states: since you rarely see Westboro adherents in coastal California, you may have lost some perspective here.

100   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 9:30am  

Indiana Jones says

a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

Yes, depending on where one lives / works or spends a lot of their time.

"Silicon Valley" has become a male ghetto.

101   Heraclitusstudent   2013 Aug 8, 9:38am  

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

Presumably a lot of gays come from somewhere else and just group there. In which case it doesn't reduce the supply of (non-gay) men relative to the number of women.

You also have a huge supply of nerds, but women nowadays don't settle easily.

102   Cui Bono   2013 Aug 8, 9:44am  

1. I like it here. My life is here. I've been here a long time and I'm happy.

2. I have everything I need. I don't want a bigger house. Wouldn't take a bigger house if you gave it to me.

3. The climate suits me.

4. Obviously money is not the prime motivation. If it were, I'd go someplace cheaper; I'm not an idiot. I just don't think more money would make me happier than living here does. Duh.

What is your interest in knowing why other people live where they live? The reasons are bound to be personal and not very interesting.

103   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 9:50am  

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

you mean the only men who want to be around these Sex in the City broads are gays and flakes? say it aint so! this is a startling revelation indeed!

104   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 9:54am  

B.A.C.A.H. says

Yes, depending on where one lives / works or spends a lot of their time. Silicon Valley has become a male ghetto.

yes, that's the engine of what fuels Californias so-called 'production', so that the taxes generated can pay for the all the nitwits, 'teachers', public employees making millions, female doctors who can't count to 20, and all the other awesome californians. Also Illegal Alien slavery is another cornerstone of California's awesome economic powerhouseness. 5th largest bankrupt economy in the world mother!@#$ers!

105   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2013 Aug 8, 10:11am  

MershedPerturders says

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

you mean the only men who want to be around these Sex in the City broads are gays and flakes? say it aint so! this is a startling revelation indeed!

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

106   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 10:18am  

If you really want to decode the Californian social value system and really UNDERSTAND why it is the way it is you NEED to look at Feminism. Feminism is overlooked by 'liberal' Californian types as it is one of the basic ASSUMPTIONS by which their society is operated and controlled.

Feminism was created by elites in order to cripple society. It was never a program to liberate anyone. It remains as one of the more compelling programs because 1) it targets half the population 2) it promises 'equality' and fingers men with 'stealing' the rights of women as they have fun all day at the coal mine, the office/bureau, etc. For instance feminism was a tough sell to farmers whose wives observed the hard work they did all day and had no desire to take their positions. Feminism promised these women more freedom, more wealth, more time to ... do what? be with their family? the image was never fully completed and as it evolved over the decades it got more and more absurd, surreal, and exaggerated. Today the birth rate is plummeting, the satisfaction of women is unbearably low, the level of tax revenue is at an all time high(two working 'spouses'). What did Feminism deliver? so far all it delivered on was increasing the anger and confusion levels of western women who now have no idea who their enemy is(they believe it is men- usually the men trying to have a normal relationship with them), and have no idea how to attain happiness(by having a family). Ultimately the program seeks to channel this increasing discontent back into the system by billing men AGAIN for this increasing dissatisfaction. Anyone so foolish to marry one of these harpies learns this lesson on average in 4-7 years when the divorce comes and the woman has all rights to his wealth in court.

So you still think that criticizing feminism and laying blame with feminists is uneducated, backward, and ignorant? I'm the one with empirical facts, historical evidence, and even tradition on my side while the feminists are have decades of promises and obviously insane social values that are not based in anything even resembling human.

107   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 10:23am  

dodgerfanjohn says

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

yo dawg,

bros before hos dude!

whatever you do never marry a woman who watches this show. Best options for regular men these days are foreign wives, that is if you're still even interested in marriage. Marriage is in reality practically the opposite of how our society portrays it.

108   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 10:37am  

MershedPerturders says

Best options for regular men these days are foreign wives, that is if you're still even interested in marriage.

Speaking from experience are you? (as Yoda might say)

109   Heraclitusstudent   2013 Aug 8, 10:44am  

MershedPerturders says

Today the birth rate is plummeting, the satisfaction of women is unbearably low, the level of tax revenue is at an all time high(two working 'spouses'). What did Feminism deliver?

Right. Feminism convinced women they should do what men do, which generally is harsh and doesn't make them happy. This was conceived as a way to extend the workforce and grow the economy, not to help women.

As a result it now takes 2 salaries to pay for what one used to pay for.

And the more dramatic result is (I read that somewhere) 40% of working women age 40+ don't have kids. I know a lot of single women age upper thirties in SF who can't find a husband. These are bright educated women. But indeed there are few incentives for men to marry these days.

Think about this for a minute, nearly half the educated population will not reproduce. In one short flash in history, they will disappear without a trace, and leave the scene to uneducated masses. Great result!

110   Indiana Jones   2013 Aug 8, 10:45am  

MershedPerturders says

whatever you do never marry a woman who watches this show.

Sex in the City is the most anti-female show I have ever witnessed, disguised as modern feminism. It devalues women while flaunting female degradation, superficiality and disempowerment. The first time I watched that show was my last.

111   Indiana Jones   2013 Aug 8, 10:57am  

The feminist movement has given much to women in the western world - the right to vote, the right to choose whether or not to have a baby, for example. If you don't think the feminist movement has done any good, I suggest you travel to the middle east and notice the difference between western women and their sisters walking around in burqas.

I have to agree with you that somewhere along the line, the feminist movement of today has lost it's way. It has been co-opted. Now we are sending women into war battle grounds and setting them up to be raped in military zones. Sex and the City characters are lauded as modern female heroines. Men and women turn against each other. Divide and conquer is alive and well.

112   Goran_K   2013 Aug 8, 11:26am  

curious2 says

LOL - if you see atheists disrupting the funerals of American soldiers, and even President Clinton's mother, with placards saying the deceased deserve eternal torment, then let me know. Even in red states, most people can see a huge difference. Maybe that's a point in favor of red states: since you rarely see Westboro adherents in coastal California, you may have lost some perspective here.

I can count on one hand the amount of respectful atheist I have met in my life. The majority of them are just as bad as the bible thumpers they claim to despise.

113   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 12:14pm  

Heraclitusstudent says

I know a lot of single women age upper thirties in SF who can't find a husband. These are bright educated women.

Ive got news for these women: if youre a woman it takes the brainpower of an amphibian to get a degree. All you need to do is kiss teacher's ass, and show up, and show a willingness to go along with the system. This includes medical, higher ed, and even research positions these days.

of course they can't find husbands. Go on OKCupid, there's a million 'awesome girls' out there who are really just totally useless from a male perspective. They complain, they contribute nothing, they're a dime a dozen, they're too old to have children, they have enormous debt. They are not marketable or attractive even though they regularly meet up with their girlfriends where they all convince each other how awesome they are.

what exactly am I getting with these 'awesome women' a rapidly aging medical and psychiatric liability who is guaranteed to spend incredible amounts of cash on plastic surgery, ego-expanding vacations, vanity items, and other shit. Did you know that 'vanity products' are one of the very few sectors that has not be hit by the economic downturn. You have to be out of your gourd to make a legal arrangement like marriage with one of these beasts.

these 'liberated' women are destroying the country and most of the west.

114   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 12:15pm  

Indiana Jones says

Now we are sending women into war battle grounds and setting them up to be raped in military zones.

you want to vote? then you have to fight. sorry honey no pussy pass here.

the problem is with allowing women to vote is that they aren't responsible for anything. If they vote to do something that puts the country in harms way, they risk nothing- perhaps having to adjust to a new set of male dominators who they will proceed to 'date'. Sound like a paranoid 'Red Dawn' fantasy- just give it a few more years in our current direction.

not much has changed I'm afraid. Women belong in the home raising children and making the house. They've never succeeded at anything aside from this. For so long as you have women voting, you will get leaders like Obama and the nation will be subservient to the corporations - who have no such rules about 'equality'.

women are really no where near as intelligent as modern upbringing tells them they are. Take them out of this system they are surrounded by just for one moment and they have a nervous breakdown because reality comes pouring in.

115   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 12:19pm  

turder, maybe they did find their husband, their "ex", when he found them in the foreign bride business. Till they got their green cards.

Foreign women the Best Option. Yeah right.

116   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 12:23pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

turder, maybe they did find their husband, their "ex", when he found them in the foreign bride business. Till they got their green card.

Foreign women the Best Option. Yeah right.

it's better than the American Whore option.

at least they still have a grasp of the basics, especially from L. America and Eastern Europe. American women are just damaged goods, mind and body raped by the Illuminati, I don't want anything to do with this trash. Anytime I see them being put in charge I know that the organization is shot(take Yahoo and Marissa Meyer for instance), thus I know to remove my money and my interest.

Just look at the popularity of Hillary Clinton- I rest my case.

117   zzyzzx   2013 Aug 8, 12:32pm  

dodgerfanjohn says

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

I would also bang Samantha.

118   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 12:57pm  

Ceffer says

My wife would watch the shows, but when there was an episode where Cary(??) dissed and ditched a guy for wearing topsiders, I had enough.

to show you how far I removed myself from this culture- I had to Google 'topsiders' to find out what they were.

119   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:00pm  

Ceffer says

She continued to watch the series and the horrifying movies that came after. I forgive her.

They're especially popular with girls in College and also for a few years after while they're slowly finding out what position they are really in.

All of them believe that after they got their 'equal opportunity' that some awesome guy is going to materialize out of thin air and ask for their hand in marriage. Of course, women can't do math: if you take away the opportunities from men, then you have LESS SUCCESSFUL MEN. fun fact: no one comes to America to meet women, they are considered to be the least desirable(british are close second).

This is why women are particularly prone to 'playaz' and why it's incredibly easy to bed American women. Countless men have reported worldwide how incredibly dumb and gullible American women are. It's not gullibility: ITS DESPERATION. They are the last to admit that truly eligible bachelors are practically NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. IF you are a single mom or a divorcee, your chances of being happily married(that is, if youre an American woman) are practically ZERO.

The way I look at it: in time of yesteryear being unmarried was considered to be highly immoral. Today- it's entirely acceptable- which is why I do it. It's really the most logical and reasonable response to the changes they've made to the institution of marriage. I don't hate women, I just prefer for them to have as little impact on my life as I can manage.

120   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 1:04pm  

turder, most of my friends are women. American women. Of course there are obnoxious people everywhere, especially here on the Left Coast. But there's lotsa decent people here too. Including women. I dunno WTF you are talking about.

121   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:10pm  

basically if you want to understand American women:

they've been mindfucked by the elites, totally robbed of their basic humanity, they've been violated by every idiot they ran across, more than likely they have a child by someone whom they cannot relate to in any positive way, they are addicted to innumerable substances and other diversions, they are fundamentally and effectively incapable of managing themselves.

Do you ever see this so called Feminist paradise in action where women are running everything? NOT A CHANCE. Any time women do actually get control of something it instantly goes to crap. No, women only seek out scenarios where they can have a parasitic role, they subconsciously KNOW they are incapable of doing anything themselves - but they do want to appear to be in charge because this entitles them to more material gains(the only thing they understand).

122   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:14pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says

turder, most of my friends are women. American women. Of course there are obnoxious people everywhere, especially here on the Left Coast. But there's lotsa decent people here too. Including women. I dunno WTF you are talking about.

in an Emergency Situation- actually any situation other than our current situation(where we are borrowing on the future at such a rate that our entire system is going to crater in a way never seen before), the last group of people I would want to be around are American Women. They have no sense of human morality.

Their ideas about abortion just typify everything they stand for(or fail to stand for). Anyone can observe that the priorities of these people is grossly out of proportion as we have a multi-decade debate about when it is permissible to destroy a child, and meanwhile never are the conditions in which this child was created ever brought to question. Thus casual 'sport sex' is more important than the possibility of murdering a child. Actually recently some people have been suggesting on TV that it should be permissible to 'terminate' a child AFTER it is born! can you get any more corrupt? what's next, sacrificing children to appease Molech? American Culture is surely at it's evolutionary end.

Before the 60s there wasn't such a thing as having 'friends' of the opposite sex. You didn't pal around with people of the opposite sex. The entire Californian culture is totally devoid of any merit or value. My hopes are you all kill each other off.

123   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 1:15pm  

Are you a Taliban?

Or did you just have some bad experiences?

Negativity reflect back on you?

124   Bigsby   2013 Aug 8, 1:15pm  

I take it you were dumped recently.

125   curious2   2013 Aug 8, 1:17pm  

MershedPerturders says

you want to vote? then you have to fight.

The problem with the "Equal Rights Amendment" was it said women (who comprise a majority of voters) could conscript men (a minority of voters) while exempting themselves. With a volunteer military, all voters are exempt from having to fight, although males remain vulnerable to conscription.

But, you've unintentionally illustrated an irony here:

MershedPerturders says

For so long as you have women voting, you will get leaders like Obama....

Men have consistently voted for even more warlike, and more corporatist, candidates. Whatever you might think about President Obama, he's much better than (or not nearly as terrible as) Romnesia or McCain would probably have been. Romney the Terrible, in particular, showed no regard for the majority of Americans, whose religions he believes to be abominations. Combat hair stylist Romnesia said publicly his job was not to worry about 47%, whom he basically called dependent parasites; privately, he had already written off a much larger %.

And, your tangent has ventured far from California. This state has never even had a female governor, though we have two female Senators. Connecticut had a woman governor who was, by all accounts, a very successful chief executive. Fear of the state being somehow taken over by women isn't a reason to stay or go.

Goran_K says

I can count on one hand the amount of respectful atheist I have met in my life. The majority of them are just as bad as the bible thumpers they claim to despise.

You should meet more people, or take another look at those Bible thumpers:

126   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:27pm  

Bigsby says

I take it you were dumped recently.

have you ever noticed that all our imagery, practically everything that sucks us into this horrible trap called the American Dream is wrapped up in our concept of romantic love? Romantic love is not a constant by any means. Actually up in fairly recently(the 60s) this idea of romantic love didn't exist- at least in it's current form. It's slowly developed over the ages as part of the working-class mythology. Everyone believes love to exist- however how many do you know who really live it?

people protect this myth at all costs as it's really the basis for practically all our hopes and dreams. Try to sell one of the McMansion shitboxes WITHOUT imagery of happy love lives and bouncing babies. Just try it. Try and sell a college 'education' without the belief in either 1) loads of casual sex(if you are a male) 2) meeting 'the one' (if you are a female). Try and sell a $20,000 vacation without the prospect of having the possibility of just ONE DAY or even a few hours of time with your wife that doesn't inspire disgust.

The illusion is strong. Incredibly strong. By the time you have broken it and seen it for what it is, most are very old and really incapable of acting on this information. It's not exactly something you share with your children, although enough of the behavior of seniors sends the message loud and clear.

Women create and maintain this illusion because they know they could not survive without it. Really the human race could not survive without it. If your parents didn't buy it, then you wouldn't be here. But there's a catch- this illusion MUST PRODUCE CHILDREN. the moment it departs from family life is the moment the culture becomes destructive. It is just a matter of time before that culture is removed from earth permanently usually by it's own devices. This is what California is today.

127   Indiana Jones   2013 Aug 8, 1:31pm  

Hey Mershed - How do you feel about your Mother?

128   Bigsby   2013 Aug 8, 1:44pm  

Mershed, my apologies. I suspect you weren't dumped. You just can't get any in the first place.

129   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:46pm  

Indiana Jones says

Hey Mershed - How do you feel about your Mother?

good question.

she was a good woman. put family first and got my dad to his job. they raised some good kids. if she were here today she would probably agree with me.

sbh says

To the woman who transcended you and sent you into this downward spiral: Honey, it was the best decision of your life.

consider the basic divorce rate. now factor in the religious, the 'conservatives', foreigners who rarely divorce. This gives us a rough divorce rate, that is for the kind of people in this thread, of above 90%. That is also given an enormous rate of change, we dont know what the divorce rate will look like in 20 years. Fact is, nothing about our current ideas regarding family, 'love', etc. make any sense whatsoever. They simply DO NOT WORK. They sure do serve these liberal 'sex in the city' women well though as they go from man to man fleecing him of his wealth.

see that 'happy marriage' pic up there? http://sfist.com/2013/08/08/man_shoots_wife_posts_photo_of_body.php

promoting this lie of fun and happy marriage is really so basic to the system it takes YEARS to really figure out what it's all about. Women will scream for hours if you even suggest the truth of it. They can't psychologically deal with it. It's like garlic to a vampire. Theyll shame you in any way imaginable. But really, they are the greatest shame of all, because they fail to realize this illusion was created to make children, and they broke the contract so all bets are off. In the end they will suffer the most.

I expect this sort of shaming and ridicule and the kind of behavior you expect from an 8 year old. This is what American women really are- grown up children whom a belligerent party has given important positions to, with the worst intentions imaginable. Naturally in their own conceit and generally ignorance about the world, these women believe they are somehow superior, even worthy of these positions.

There is simply one question that you must ask when considering the notion of gender equality: if women are so smart and powerful, why dont they just get together in all-women companies, or maybe even armies? they dont do this because having to deal with other women in large numbers is every woman's nightmare because other women know their tactics, whereas men(American men) are totally blind to them.

and so it goes. Every traditional society has one last word on 'women empowerment' they all agree that the moment women gain power is the moment the worthy exit and everything collapses.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-04/opinions/41067335_1_lease-real-estate-lifetime

130   B.A.C.A.H.   2013 Aug 8, 1:47pm  

Spoken like a true American Taliban, duly noted by NSA no doubt. Time to select ignore.

Sheesh Patrick, your blog really does bring in all sorts.

131   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:47pm  

Bigsby says

Mershed, my apologies. I suspect you weren't dumped. You just can't get any in the first place.

get what? one of these prostitutes to sleep with me and perform any number of these retarded sex acts chronicled and illustrated in your porno magazines?

fact is you're not really as much of a champ as they want you to believe.

a lower primate has more sense than the average Californian.

132   curious2   2013 Aug 8, 1:53pm  

MershedPerturders says

now factor in the religious, the 'conservatives', foreigners who rarely divorce.

As noted above, the religious, "conservative" Bible Belt states have a higher divorce rate.

133   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 1:58pm  

curious2 says

MershedPerturders says

now factor in the religious, the 'conservatives', foreigners who rarely divorce.

As noted above, the religious "conservative" Bible Belt states have a higher divorce rate than the rest of the country.

according to whom? Every serial divorcee I've ever met is not only liberal- but far left lunatic liberal, as in : no connection to humanity whatsoever. Of course they believe and rely to the world that our country has gone 'way too conservative' in recent decades. They believe everyone is radically 'right wing'.

just go to any drug store today. Virtually HALF the store is cosmetics products. This tells you a lot about where American culture has gone. You don't need to listen to me. But many are reading this with wide open eyes, because Im saying exactly what theyve been thinking for years and also what women have known for years but are unwilling to say.

you can't shame me, you can't try and put me down. You have no shame. You kill children to deal with your irresponsibility.

You can't try and belittle me. Youre attempts and successes at bedding these retarded whores does not impress anyone of any worth. You've done more disgusting acts than most animals are willing to do.

You don't have to do anything. These problems will take care of themselves. It's just a matter of time.

134   MershedPerturders   2013 Aug 8, 2:04pm  

sbh says

And saying "Fuck, I'm glad I haven't met this loser."

yes because it would be far more difficult to tune out what I say.

for someone so worthless you spend a lot of time reading him and responding.

135   curious2   2013 Aug 8, 2:04pm  

MershedPerturders says

according to whom?

The Census Bureau, CNN, etc. You know, all those entities in "the reality based community," which you ignore evidently.

MershedPerturders says

Every serial divorcee I've ever met is not only liberal- but far left lunatic liberal, as in : no connection to humanity whatsoever.

Check California conservative Zsa Zsa Gabor's divorce record.

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