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So, it is OK to politicize this??


               
2013 Sep 17, 7:30am   11,838 views  40 comments

by JH   follow (0)  

Let me get this straight. It's NOT okay to politicize gun ownership after a shooting, but it IS okay to politicize a president's response to the shooting?

Is it possible that mass murders happen so frequently in America that we are ALL becoming tone deaf to them?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/politics/obama-shooting-tone/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Washington (CNN) -- The White House is defending President Barack Obama from criticism that he was tone deaf in his reaction to the mass shootings at Washington Navy Yard.

#politics

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1   smaulgld   @   2013 Sep 17, 7:39am  

Its a typical reaction- stigmatize your opponents, stigmatize certain points of view -make everything that happens about YOUR issue. Politics 101 on all sides.

Of course the president is going to politicize everything- he is a politician and his job is to make sure his message resonates with those he is appealing too.

Even Paul Krugman in his Keynesian zeal couldnt resist getting in his plug for economic stimulus just three days after 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/opinion/reckonings-after-the-horror.html

2   JH   @   2013 Sep 17, 7:44am  

smaulgld says

Even Paul Krugman in his Keynesian zeal couldnt resist getting in his plug for economic stimulus just three days after 9/11

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/opinion/reckonings-after-the-horror.html

It seems almost in bad taste to talk about dollars and cents after an act of mass murder. Nonetheless, we must ask about the economic aftershocks from Tuesday's horror.

I got laid off from an engineering job 2 months after 9/11. The fuckers had the nerve to cite 9/11 in my pink slip letter as a driving force to the tanking economy.

3   smaulgld   @   2013 Sep 17, 8:21am  

JH says

I got laid off from an engineering job 2 months after 9/11. The fuckers had the nerve to cite 9/11 in my pink slip letter as a driving force to the tanking economy.

Yep companies blamed 9/11 a lot back when in many instances it was their own fault but 9/11 was convenient to blame

4   JH   @   2013 Sep 17, 8:42am  

smaulgld says

Politics 101 on all sides.

To support your point...

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of the strongest proponents of a ban on assault weapons like the AR-15 that suspected shooter and military contractor Aaron Alexis is believed to have used, issued a statement Monday asking "When will enough be enough?"

"Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life," the California Democrat said in the statement.

5   Honest Abe   @   2013 Sep 17, 8:51am  

Read: Death by Gun Control. Oh I forgot, that might interfere with the liberal agenda. Its not about guns, nor safety, its about control.

6   FortWayne   @   2013 Sep 17, 8:53am  

Both sides act really stupid sometimes. Politicizing tragedy is a sign of failure of morality within a group.

7   Dan8267   @   2013 Sep 17, 9:55am  

The NSA can and does monitor every single communication we make from phone calls, to chat messages, to email, to Skyping. If the NSA can be that intrusive on my life to prevent "terrorism" than the NSA can also keep a national gun registry for the same damn reason.

My right to government not having a back door into my mobile computer has higher precedence than your right to own a gun anonymously. If you want privacy in gun ownership and trades, then I get privacy in communication first. There's a reason the First Amendment is first and the Second is second.

If it makes you feel better, I'm willing to get a smart phone / gun hybrid. That way you guys will be against the NSA tracking it.

8   smaulgld   @   2013 Sep 17, 10:09am  

Dan8267 says

My right to government not having a back door into my mobile computer has higher precedence than your right to own a gun anonymously. If you want privacy in gun ownership and trades, then I get privacy in communication first. There's a reason the First Amendment is first and the Second is second.

Good point but in many arguments we often provide a false one or the other choice, when perhaps both can coexist.

9   Dan8267   @   2013 Sep 17, 10:11am  

smaulgld says

Good point but in many arguments we often provide a false one or the other choice, when perhaps both can coexist.I

Of course, the right to privacy in both cases is not mutually exclusive. However, it is ridiculous to argue that there should not be a national gun registry while letting the NSA violate basic communication privacy so flagrantly.

10   RWSGFY   @   2013 Sep 17, 11:10am  

Dan8267 says

If the NSA can be that intrusive on my life to prevent "terrorism" than the NSA can also keep a national gun registry

I'm pretty sure it already does.

PS. It's good that libs can finally relate to what gun owners have been feeling for a long time. ;)

11   RWSGFY   @   2013 Sep 17, 11:13am  

JH says

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of the strongest proponents of a ban on assault weapons like the AR-15 that suspected shooter and military contractor Aaron Alexis is believed to have used, issued a statement Monday asking "When will enough be enough?"

Except he didn't use any fucking AR-15. The fascist bitch was in such a hurry to commence her favorite dance on fresh graves she couldn't wait for facts.

12   smaulgld   @   2013 Sep 17, 11:18am  

Dan8267 says

Of course, the right to privacy in both cases is not mutually exclusive. However, it is ridiculous to argue that there should not be a national gun registry while letting the NSA violate basic communication privacy so flagrantly.

Correct- they should not argue for one and not the other but the counter argument should not be to argue for one and not the other!

13   HEY YOU   @   2013 Sep 17, 11:37am  

I'm going gun toting rogue.

All that matters is that he was able to use his 2nd Amendment Right to purchase an "Arms". Everything else is just collateral damage.

2nd Amendment trumps everything.

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