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Reality says

With the exception of Detroit, most innercities were not centers for manufacturing even in their hey days. Cities are centers of commerce.

BS. There was plenty of manufacturing in almost every major city until the 1960's. In 1910 in NY 40% of people were working in manufacturing. By 1950 that was down to 28% but there were still 1 million people working in manufacturing in NY. Of ten biggest cities after NY 7 had more than NY's 28% of population working in manufacturing. If you want to educate yourself on the subject read John Gunther's Inside U.S.A. published 1947 if you can find a copy. I'm not loaning you mine.

indigenous says

It is worth mentioning Black unemployment was lower than white unemployment until Davis Bacon and minimum wage laws.

Prove it. Davis Bacon was 1931 for christ sakes. Accurate unemployment numbers by race aren't even available. Minimum wages were 1938. AFDC (welfare) was 1935.

So you are saying that inner city crime rates were lower until the 1930's then rose. Sorry to confuse you with facts but crime rates fell dramatically from 1930 to 1960. Homicides fell 60% in that time. Then rates spiked back up dramatically in the early 1960's. Coinciding quite nicely with white flight from the cities thanks to the brand new interstate system along with manufacturing flight which also took advantage of the new highways to move out of the cities.

Some people think that leaded gas was the problem. The crime rate curve does nicely follow the lead level in the average person's blood. Certainly makes more sense than blaming laws passed 30 years before the crime rate went up.

bob2356 says

Some people think that leaded gas was the problem. The crime rate curve does nicely follow the lead level in the average person's blood.

Alcohol consumption correlates well with teacher salaries.

Ice cream consumption correlates well with the number of drownings.

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

freak80 says

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

I did say some people think. Just like reality thinks davis bacon, minimum wages, and welfare correlate to crime rises 30 years later. I personally believe a 30 year lag is pretty tenuous correlation by anyone's definition.

Reality says

IIRC, according to some systematic study that I read, the per hour wage for prostitution/drug-dealing/gang-membership is actually very low, in the low single digits, or even less than $1/hr if jail time is counted too as work for the practitioner.

If I recall, the drug dealing aspect was discussed to some degree in the book Freakonomics.

bob2356 says

indigenous says

It is worth mentioning Black unemployment was lower than white unemployment until Davis Bacon and minimum wage laws.

Prove it. Davis Bacon was 1931 for christ sakes. Accurate unemployment numbers by race aren't even available. Minimum wages were 1938. AFDC (welfare) was 1935.

Yea I think it is plausible to correlate crime with unemployment.

Davis Bacon was implemented in the early 30s to protect white union jobs. The fair labor standards act was passed in 1938 but it really didn't have an effect until after the war because of war time inflation. Minimum wage law began taking effect in the early 50s.

What this did was protect existing jobs as no one would hire an inexperienced employee at the mandated higher price.

Black unemployment was the same as whites from 1890 until the late 1940s when the government meddling stated having effect.

Which I posit caused the higher crime rate.

bob2356 says

Reality says

With the exception of Detroit, most innercities were not centers for manufacturing even in their hey days. Cities are centers of commerce.

BS. There was plenty of manufacturing in almost every major city until the 1960's. In 1910 in NY 40% of people were working in manufacturing. By 1950 that was down to 28% but there were still 1 million people working in manufacturing in NY. Of ten biggest cities after NY 7 had more than NY's 28% of population working in manufacturing. If you want to educate yourself on the subject read John Gunther's Inside U.S.A. published 1947 if you can find a copy. I'm not loaning you mine.

You are confusing "innercity" with "city" and "metropolitan censors area." Besides, NYC has been doing much better after 1950 than it was in 1910 anyway.

Reality says

You are confusing "innercity" with "city" and "metropolitan censors area." Besides, NYC has been doing much better after 1950 than it was in 1910 anyway.

Really? How do you define inner city vs city and how are you getting your statistics, which I have yet to see any of? What is your definition of much better and where is the data to support it? Almost 2 million whites left NYC from 1948 to 1960 replaced by almost as many very poor immigrants. That's pretty serious white flight. By 1970 the whole city was a shambles. I lived on 110th and Columbus in 76 and 77. There was no inner city. It was all bad, along with big parts of North Jersey.

bob2356 says

Reality says

You are confusing "innercity" with "city" and "metropolitan censors area." Besides, NYC has been doing much better after 1950 than it was in 1910 anyway.

Really? How do you define inner city vs city and how are you getting your statistics, which I have yet to see any of?

I was not the one who invented the term "inner city." If you can't tell the general difference in character between "inner city" vs. "city" and "metropolitan area," you have no business in this discussion. You are essentially asking what the definition of "pornography" is, and some former supreme court justice already gave answer to silly questions like that. Concepts like "inner city" and "pornography" are inductive, not deductive.

What is your definition of much better and where is the data to support it? Almost 2 million whites left NYC from 1948 to 1960 replaced by almost as many very poor immigrants. That's pretty serious white flight. By 1970 the whole city was a shambles. I lived on 110th and Columbus in 76 and 77. There was no inner city. It was all bad, along with big parts of North Jersey.

Are you living and writing in 1970 or in 2013? Where the heck is manufacturing in the post 1990 NYC?

Wealth disparity is generational.

There was a study done in the 1970s to compare Asian immigrates wealth to African American wealth.

What they found is that Asian's think generationally, and have loyalty to vendors of the same community. When a dollar goes into the Asian community it circulates within the community.

In the African American community the dollars generally leave the community, and go to outside community enterprises.

The second part was that wealth was accumulated in the Asian Community for the benefit of the Children's wealth. Living conditions may be hard all over, but in the Asian Community there is much more tendency to double up with parents, children, and grand children all in one house while every one works.

These are deep rooted cultural issues that are slowly working out.

Anyone know where I can score some prostitutes? STD free would be a plus.