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Call it Crazy says

Did you look at that chart??? 60% of the 18-29 year olds voted for Obama... You tell me where they get the input for their political choice...

Also, tell us now how that same age group feels about Obama after the roll out of Obamacare and the lack of jobs for them.

The age bracket will shift further to the right down the road.. its always been true!
and as you pointed out.. its already started...

No more Q/A .... Mr.. President Boxer or Briefs ?

edvard2 says

But even if we pretend they did, then that means its even more of an uphill battle for the GOP in the future: Their reliable base are not enough to win.... even if people supposedly stay home...

with age comes wisdom... who knows, you might switch as well !

CaptainShuddup says

And their biggest priority early on, is to eliminate any threat from an free thinking independent candidate that may cause them trouble and not tow the bow down to the corporate master line.

Exactly. The contest came down to one candidate promising us Obamacare, and the other having already delivered Romneycare. It came down to a coin toss: heads I win, tails you lose, as far as the power elite manipulators were concerned.

edvard2 says

the 2012 election showed the largest popular vote margins for Obama in well over a generation.

I don't understand why people make partisan comments that are obviously false, easily disproved. In 2008, Barack Obama won by more than 9 million votes, i.e. 69 million vs 60 million. In 2012, President Obama won by fewer than 5 million, i.e. 66 million vs 61 million. He became the first President ever re-elected with fewer votes than he got the first time. Literally millions of people who voted for him in 2008 chose not to do that again in 2012, but they didn't vote Republican either - because the Republicans were worse. The vote totals alone show at least three million, but the actual number is higher, because millions of elderly McCain voters in 2008 had since shuffled off this mortal coil and were replaced by younger people who had voted for Obama in 2008.

I guess this is why I can't be a loyal partisan. Facts, especially numbers, stick like a splinter in my brain. I can't just chant along with the counter-factual catechisms, e.g. "largest margins in well over a generation." If you're going to ignore the facts, why limit yourself - say it was unanimous for Obama, and that he turned water into wine and ended world hunger. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to imagine the same imaginary world and live in it too; like Mark Twain's advice, I have to tell the truth, because that way I don't have to remember either web of partisan lies.

thomaswong.1986 says

with age comes wisdom... who knows, you might switch as well !

Not sure you've read my previous posts but I switched from Republican to Democrat a long time ago once I got out in the world and saw reality.curious2 says

I don't understand why people make partisan comments that are obviously false, easily disproved. In 2008, Obama won by more than 9 million votes, i.e. 69 million vs 60 million:

I am equally puzzled by "people" who claim that someone making a factual comment would then counter that claim without what appears to be doing a lot of research in advance.

I'd suggest looking at this convenient chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

Call it Crazy says

I think it was his glasses again..

At least I can see through my glasses. That versus the seeming blinders some of the others wear here.

edvard2 says

I'd suggest looking at this convenient chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin

LOL - I link to certified results from the federal election commission site, you counter with a chart on Wikipedia. Typical. Worse, you haven't even read your own chart, which ends in 2008. Try looking at the table directly underneath the chart. Try sorting it by % of popular vote. Try reading down the list. This is the trouble with relying on Wikipedia charts to do your homework for you: it isn't a substitute for checking actual sources, and it doesn't make you seem smart; quite the opposite really. The Internet makes vast information available to everyone, but if you insist on seeing only what you want to see, you don't really learn much; wisdom begins with finding actual facts.

I did look at that chart closely and what I would suggest for you to do is to spend about 2 seconds looking at the "percentage of popular votes" numbers and compare that to other Presidents, of which listed go back several hundred years.

Call it Crazy says

Well, he IS an Obama voter, after all.....

And I assume ( correct me if I am wrong) voted for Romney, who didn't win.

edvard2 says

As mentioned previously, the 2012 election showed the largest popular vote margins for Obama in well over a generation. I have yet to see any real data that indicated that "people stayed home".

There was a wider margin just four years earlier, won by the same guy, with a vote total millions higher. The population increased during those years. Was your point that you don't know those voters stayed home, they might have gone fishing instead? I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

curious2 says

There was a wider margin just four years earlier, won by the same guy, with a vote total millions higher. The population increased during those years. Was your point that you don't know those voters stayed home, they might have gone fishing instead? I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

The point I was making in regards to "people staying home" was that this seemed to be common saying amongst Republican voters, that young people would stay home. There is some data shows this, but even so, the shift in voting demographics which seems to favor Democrats has also shifted to a point where even IF democratic voters stayed home, this shift in turn compensated for that, and hence a further indicator of that demographic becoming more decisive. No hard feelings and I apologize as well.

That was well put, and thank you. I'm sorry for having used sarcasm earlier. I felt irritated by the numbers sticking like splinters in my brain, but I should have suppressed that feeling and let the numbers speak for themselves. The bigger picture is definitely the demographics are moving in favor of Democrats' positions on nearly all issues except Obamacare.

edvard2 says

There is some data shows this, but even so, the shift in voting demographics which seems to favor Democrats has also shifted to a point where even IF democratic voters stayed home, this shift in turn compensated for that, and hence a further indicator of that demographic becoming more decisive.

An empty 8 years.. I really doubt you will see "candy flavored elections" in the future. It will no longer be "he isnt white, he is one of us" voters. The future voter will ask more questions and it will be much tougher than relying on simple demographics thanks to ObamaCare... "Fuck me side ways,, i gotta pay more in health care costs".

curious2 says

The bigger picture is definitely the demographics are moving in favor of Democrats' positions on nearly all issues except Obamacare.

By all issues.. it will certainly include the top 5.... Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.

thomaswong.1986 says

curious2 says

The bigger picture is definitely the demographics are moving in favor of Democrats' positions on nearly all issues except Obamacare.

By all issues.. it will certainly include the top 5.... Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.

The forces of globalization and automation will ensure that the "jobs" especially for middle class will be harder to come by as time goes on. Our private sector unionization is at paltry 7% so we can expect the gap between the haves and have nots to widen in "knowledge based" economy. It's basically gonna be an all out blitz.

dublin hillz says

The forces of globalization and automation will ensure that the "jobs" especially for middle class will be harder to come by as time goes on

we had automation and globalization before, its no stranger ... yet will still had
the same jobs even in Santa Clara county. It is possible, as long as you have
the right leadership to make it happen.

thomaswong.1986 says

By all issues.. it will certainly include the top 5

Both parties talk about jobs, but I'm concerned that Obamacare may become the decisive issue. I'm trying to deal with it now, but the invasive questions bother me, and the misleading questions too. For example, "Does this person want health insurance?" That's complicated. I don't want the policies they're selling, but if I click no, I get punished. It feels like a cavity search where they're telling me, "Don't act like you don't like it." Since the promises ("no more medical bankruptcies," "preventative care will [somehow?] reduce hospital emergency visits," "if you like your plan you can keep your plan," "you can keep your doctor," etc.) will all be easily disproved by 2014 and 2016, I worry that people may harbor the resentment and anger that turns rape survivors into activists. And that's just among the people who actually sign up; another 30 million are expected not to sign up, and risk liability for the penalty in addition to coping with a medical environment where provider prices are artificially inflated by subsidized insurance.

curious2 says

Both parties talk about jobs, but I'm concerned that Obamacare may become the decisive issue.

well we should have talked about it, but instead we got distracted...thats whats
occupying your time now. and if your a business owner with the above questions
thats not good ! efforts could have gone elsewhere to broaden your operations.

curious2 says

Literally millions of people who voted for him in 2008 chose not to do that again in 2012, but they didn't vote Republican either

Maybe people are waking up to the charade that the reform that they are desperate for is ever going to come from this corporate sponsored reality TV show.
I for one am (re)dropping out of this lesser-evilism.
Withholding consent feels more empowering than serial excuse making and disappointment.

Reality says

It came down to a coin toss: heads I win, tails you lose, as far as the power elite manipulators were concerned.

Funny how we loss anyway huh? Funny how God kids like that.

Call it Crazy says

I wonder if all these Obama voters in 2012 came from this list.... you know, they didn't want their gravy train taken away....

Yeah. And Obama's so evil, he built a time machine and went back to make the number of food stamp recipients go up when BUSH was president, too.

Good thing we had that republican president from 1993-1997 who reduced the number of people on food stamps. LOL.

Homeboy says

Good thing we had that republican president from 1993-1997 who reduced the number of people on food stamps.

I reckon that was about when Clinton, betraying his liberal roots and constituency, kicked the poor schmucks to the curb with his Welfare Destruction Act.
Looks good on your chart though, and I bet it earned him beaucoup "speaking engagements" post Presidency.

Homeboy says

Good thing we had that republican president from 1993-1997 who reduced the number of people on food stamps. LOL.

WSJ’s Mary Kissel: Democrats Voting Against Bill Clinton’s Reforms for Food Stamps

http://www.mediaite.com/online/wsjs-mary-kissel-democrats-voting-against-bill-clintons-reforms-for-food-stamps/

While many Democrats are insisting that the GOP is simply taking food away from hungry and impoverished people, they said, the GOP is actually insisting on instituting reforms that were embraced by President Bill Clinton when he signed a successful welfare reform law in the 1990s. “What has happened to the party?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill added a workforce development component to welfare legislation, encouraging employment among the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22). Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996, fulfilling his 1992 campaign promise to "end welfare as we have come to know it"

A central pledge of Clinton's campaign was to reform the welfare system, adding changes such as work requirements for recipients. However, by 1994, the Clinton Administration appeared to be more concerned with universal health care, and no details or a plan had emerged on welfare reform. Newt Gingrich accused the President of stalling on welfare and proclaimed that Congress could pass a welfare reform bill in as little as 90 days. Gingrich promised that the Republican Party would continue to apply political pressure to the President to approve welfare legislation.

While Clinton was getting a BJ from Monica, Gingrich pushed reform in Congress.

In 1996, after constructing two welfare reform bills that were vetoed by President Clinton,[18] Gingrich and his supporters pushed for the passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA), a bill aimed at substantially reconstructing the welfare system. Introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr., the act gave state governments more autonomy over welfare delivery, while also reducing the federal government's responsibilities.

Oh, I see. If something you like happens under a democrat president, it was in spite of him, but if something you DON'T like happens under a democrat president, it's BECAUSE of him.

Too bad those 45 and up didn't turn out more: after all, they have such an awesome track record of picking presidents in the past.

in 2008, the Democrats could sell any lie, they didn't sell "Obama" persay, they sold "Someone else".

I'd like to see the DNC sell "Down with the incumbents" in 2016.

It's the GOPs turn to sell "Someone else", it wont be a tough sell either.

I just hope some independent gets enough traction, but I'm dreaming the 55,000 American Liberal networks and media sources would NEVER allow that to happen.
They can sell "Oooh he bad, he very bad" just as well as they can dress a terd up in a suit and sell that motherfucker.

That was what Obama said, Romney was the only mother fucker talking about jobs an work.

CaptainShuddup says

I'd like to see the DNC sell "Down with the incumbents" in 2016.

they will still be blaming Bush ... even in 2016.

CaptainShuddup says

It's the GOPs turn to sell "Someone else", it wont be a tough sell either.

In recent years, the GOP has only demonstrated its unsurpassed ability to offer "someone worse." They have lost the popular vote in five of the last six Presidential elections, but they don't seem to have learned anything from that.

jazz music says

I'm surprised to see that others like me did not carry the anti-vulture-capitalist-in-the-white-house, anti-Romney vote. I'm male, caucasian, college grad, 61 yr old, income $100k+, working engineer.

if it wasnt the VC and turn around equity firms in SV, there wouldnt be any engineers pullling $100K or otherwise.. just farmers pulling crops out of the ground !

you often dont hear about "vulture firms" in SV, but they are often the ones who have to clean up after the mess and crap is spilled and get some money returned
to the investors.

Call it Crazy says

Homeboy says

Yeah. And Obama's so evil, he built a time machine and went back to make the number of food stamp recipients go up when BUSH was president, too.

Good point... Looks like Bush had a 3% increase (6% to 9%) in 8 years...

Viewing your chart, it appears that Obama had a jump of 6% (from 9% to 15%) in 4 years...

Impressive!!

Winning!!!

6% to 9% is a 50% increase

9% to 15% is a 66% increase

One thing the democrat fan base seems to often forget, is that hispanics are for the most part, more conservative then those weekly churchgoing whites. They run the danger of showing their true colors, and the hispanics realizing that the elitists hate them as well, not just the poor white trash GOP voters.

Democrats have become the national corpora- Facsist party, and have this arrogant swagger about them like they can't lose. Things change, and as conditions for the working class continue to deteriorate, it will get harder to blame it on republicans after years of democrat rule

How can you not agree with that, and that's from a guy that called me out several times for talking shit about Obama early on.

CaptainShuddup says

How can you not agree with that, and that's from a guy that called me out several times for talking shit about Obama early on.

You have me confused with someone else, ten pound bass

jazz music says

thomas, Romney's activities left businesses hollowed out to to create an illusion of viability, sell at a profit, and collapse of company. This is vulture captial taking fees sending host company rocketing to the trash heap and thousands of future big-box/food service employees in his wake.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/us/politics/companies-ills-did-not-harm-romneys-firm.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Liberal journalist crap... i heard the story before.. what they dont talk about is the loans used and secured by purchases of modernized manufacturing equipment.

As for high fees... Shit so are the big 4 accounting firms, Legal, and many other consultants..

Have you any idea that when you 'Turn Around a Firm' you have to go back and fix broken process, term old and hire new staff, provide training, and fix financial statement... at the same time work on current operations to provide goods and services. Your wearing multiple hats, responsible for many working and non working functions, and under severe time pressure. Yea... its expensive.

what are the hours ? from early morning late at night... 8am -9pm and lots of weekends..

who ? a team of out of town high cost professionals working out hotels which you bill to client.

Turn around projects are brutal... and costly... no fun for anyone...

Bitcoins arent the future? says

Not that Romney was any better, but heres a small infographic about who to blame the current president on...

In other words, there weren't enough rich white dudes to elect Romney. Ha ha.

Homeboy says

In other words, there weren't enough rich white dudes to elect Romney. Ha ha.

or was it all the lies and distractions...

secret swiss bank accounts

bain vulture firm

signing on SEC docs

all distractions and Chicago style politics...

what else can it be...

jazz music says

And so you think Romney actually worked hard at Bain for those millions creating the illusion that these companies were profitable before selling them?

Buyers do their own due diligence from financial statements audited by independent accounting firms, like the big 4. I should know, i did several myself.

What journalist write about is different from real life and required per regulations.

say if your an officer and required by banking regulations to sign on domestic and foreign banks accounts for the firm (corporation or partnership). So Romney did what was required.

or the SEC requires you to sign on SEC filings regardless if your active CEO or not, as was the case with Steve Jobs when he was in the hospital (inactive on medical leave). Which Romney did.

And of Course all of Romney Taxes like Obama was prepared by independent Accounting Firm.
So not easy to falsify information... as was implied by Team Obama...

yet, the Obama Chicago political machines lied and twisted the truth... with the help of the Journalists. And look who you voted for ! wow... makes Reagan look like a Saint and true leader!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

"You cunts are fired. Someone get me the paper and an iced tea and maybe we'll have a nice story to tell the Belmont police."

LOL! opps you might want to change Tea.. it has Caffeine... a no no for Mormons.

jazz music says

Reagan was the beginning of the end of middle class American life, (which allowed many freedoms) the beginning of unheard of national debt, and the beginning of excessive economic inequality.

your going to blame Reagan for the general public going insane and actually believing the typical $100K home somehow increased by 4-5 times in price in a matter of a few years...

"Just Say No !" Best thing for everyone!