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My take on the soft existing home sales numbers today


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2014 Mar 20, 7:38am   45,305 views  195 comments

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47   _   2014 Mar 31, 6:47am  

Bad QE velocity

48   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 31, 7:01am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Bad QE velocity

Another great chart.

49   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 1, 3:28am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Speaking of which, all of you should see the documentary, I was at recent conference with the Producer of "Money for Nothing" it's a documentary about the Federal Reserve and its impact on the economy

Here is the trailer, if you haven't seen it Gary you will like, it's a bit basic but in a great format

http://moneyfornothingthemovie.org/trailer/

Documentary website

http://moneyfornothingthemovie.org/

Watched it. Great video.

50   _   2014 Apr 1, 3:32am  

hrhjuliet says

Watched it. Great video.

It's a nice documentary and a good timeline of economic history with current and previous Federal Reserve members. The producer/director and I hit it off when he heard my interview on Bloomberg arguing Bernanke poor QE velocity thesis

http://loganmohtashami.com/2013/03/27/will-be-on-bloomberg-financial-talking-about-bernankes-myth-on-tight-lending-standards-the-real-housing-story/

51   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 1, 3:39am  

Logan Mohtashami says

hrhjuliet says

Watched it. Great video.

It's a nice documentary and a good timeline of economic history with current and previous Federal Reserve members. The producer/director and I hit it off when he heard my interview on Bloomberg arguing Bernanke poor QE velocity thesis

http://loganmohtashami.com/2013/03/27/will-be-on-bloomberg-financial-talking-about-bernankes-myth-on-tight-lending-standards-the-real-housing-story/

Definitely a must watch for anyone who is trying to figure out what is going on in the market today.

52   _   2014 Apr 1, 3:44am  

Hmmmmm

53   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 1, 3:53am  

What is your take on the above chart?

54   mell   2014 Apr 1, 3:57am  

hrhjuliet says

What is your take on the above chart?

It shows the correlation of crony Fed purchases (MBS etc.) and rising house prices (LA in this instance) with brutal clarity. Case closed. Real median income has been dropping, party's over.

55   _   2014 Apr 1, 4:09am  

hrhjuliet says

What is your take on the above chart?

California has had a massive rise in home prices since April 2012. One item to remember is that using mix sale data a lot upper homes are selling now and not a lot of low end homes to the market. So the people who have cash, strong incomes and assets and buying it and the lower end home aren't selling as much. So, the price inflation is rampant.

56   bubblesitter   2014 Apr 1, 5:30am  

Logan Mohtashami says

trong incomes and assets and buying it and the lower end home aren't selling as much.

Are you saying, rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer?

57   _   2014 Apr 1, 5:37am  

bubblesitter says

Are you saying, rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer?

In every economic cycle that goes positive the rich will get richer because they own the assets and they usually own them debt free, while others have to take on debt which leaves a massive gap. If they do own equities they benefit from that. However, the gap will always rise for the rich and even richest of the 1% even. Professor Sufi from University of Chicago Booth asked me to come to go to his Housing conference in LA last year, we kind of see eye to eye on the wealth factor model and we both agree in this cycle it's going to be less for the lower end class

http://houseofdebt.org/2014/03/29/measuring-wealth-inequality.html

58   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 1, 12:39pm  

The middle class gets a pretty sad deal in this too.

59   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 2, 1:59pm  

Logan Mohtashami says

Hmmmmm

This graph is very telling.

60   _   2014 Apr 3, 1:31am  

Misery loves Company

61   Bubbabeefcake   2014 Apr 3, 5:28am  

hrhjuliet says

This graph is very telling.

That graph can only mean one thing...."TOAST"

62   _   2014 Apr 3, 5:31am  

Bubbabear says

.."TOAST"

limits to this expansion. This a big reason why we don't see top line revenue growth from the business in America

63   Bubbabeefcake   2014 Apr 3, 5:41am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Bubbabear says

.."TOAST"

limits to this expansion. This a big reason why we don't see top line revenue growth from the business in America

Damn! Coming up for air or going down for the third time?

64   _   2014 Apr 3, 5:42am  

If any of you like economic charts updated daily my facebook page has almost every economic data updated on the wall with other charts as well.

https://www.facebook.com/Logan.Mohtashami

65   _   2014 Apr 4, 3:27am  

66   _   2014 Apr 4, 3:27am  

We got back all the jobs loss on the private sector side from the Great Recession, but........ #DTI #LTI even with the 10 year at 2.76% and ZIRP in play, it's a different cycle for sure and capacity consumption isn't a strong as many as thought. Hence why we don't have top line revenue growth and CAP X spending is light

67   _   2014 Apr 4, 5:53am  

68   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 4, 6:00am  

Where do you see it going from here?

69   _   2014 Apr 4, 6:01am  

hrhjuliet says

Where do you see it going from here?

Which sector

70   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 4, 6:44am  

Housing market, tech stocks and first time home buyers?

71   _   2014 Apr 4, 6:51am  

hrhjuliet says

Housing market, tech stocks and first time home buyers?

Housing market
Exisiting home sales most likely will end the year between 4.9-5 million so flat market would be the best case but slightly negative most likely

New home sales will likely be up 8-12% in total sales

First time home buyers will be soft this year 26-30% of the market place which is very low on historical standards

Tech stocks are getting spanked, stock market will be ok Up 3-7% this year because ZIRP is in play and the 10 year note is still very low to help demand.

72   hrhjuliet   2014 Apr 4, 6:54am  

Thank you. I really appreciate your input; always intelligent and practical.

73   _   2014 Apr 6, 4:24am  

>

As you can see here, we clearly overbuilt for housing and the even new home sales and starts got impacted when housing inflation rose on both fronts

http://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgans-q2-complete-guide-to-markets-2014-4#jp-morgan-funds-q2-guide-to-the-markets-16

74   _   2014 Apr 6, 4:33am  

Take all affordability indexes the media and financial companies like Zillow and the NAR promote with a grain of salt because they thesis is based on the fact that everyone has a 20% down payment. Comical with this cycle I know .... and yet they never add an * to their metrics

http://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgans-q2-complete-guide-to-markets-2014-4#jp-morgan-funds-q2-guide-to-the-markets-18

75   _   2014 Apr 6, 11:34pm  

Hence rental nation, if this much can't create liquidity through liquid assets

76   _   2014 Apr 8, 12:51am  

Mind that census always counts delinquent homeowners as homeowners, so with 3 million loan still in delinquency and many in California still, these numbers need to have an * to it because it's slightly worse

77   bubblesitter   2014 Apr 8, 12:52am  

Come on, Logan, gives some hint on upcoming inventory situation!

78   _   2014 Apr 8, 1:07am  

bubblesitter says

Come on, Logan, gives some hint on upcoming inventory situation!

79   bubblesitter   2014 Apr 8, 1:15am  

Logan, good graph, but I have yet to see that inventory here in North OC.

80   _   2014 Apr 8, 4:10am  

bubblesitter says

North OC.

Lower end market would be lighter than the upper end areas in California in general. More transaction are higher end homes rather than lower end homes.

81   _   2014 Apr 8, 4:12am  

still for pure demand we need this chart to look a lot better

82   bubblesitter   2014 Apr 8, 4:17am  

Logan Mohtashami says

Lower end market would be lighter than the upper end areas in California in general. More transaction are higher end homes rather than lower end homes.

That simply amazes me. I can't think of logical explanation. It seems as though investors would be more interested in those low end market for rental purposes and high end would be move up or first time live-in buyers. Confused.

83   _   2014 Apr 8, 4:24am  

bubblesitter says

That simply amazes me

What I see once the Robo signing settlement was signed and California homeowners act law was put into motion the process of putting lower end homes into the market was simply just delayed because there is now a legal process on trying to make a loan modification work for these type of homeowners

84   bubblesitter   2014 Apr 8, 4:51am  

Logan Mohtashami says

there is now a legal process on trying to make a loan modification work for these type of homeowners

Won't it apply to both low and high end?

85   _   2014 Apr 8, 5:02am  

bubblesitter says

Won't it apply to both low and high end?

There more financial struggle is on the lower end side. If you remember the sub prime credit cycle it was the lower end scale of income that took on that massive amount of capacity debt that can't be own.

There are plenty of people in California who have no problem making their mortgage payments before, during and after the housing bubble. So the higher end homes that went to distress are small in nature but they are still out there. Now the lower end homes it's another story and that is why lower end sales home are down like over 40% because they simply aren't to market

86   _   2014 Apr 8, 11:29am  

The Professor says

Scary chart. How do we fix the transmission?

Pay better wages and get better income growth

One item to remember with this chart and many other economic charts. When you have constant bubble economics going, these highs in income and wealth aren't really supported by true supply and demand economics

So, even though home prices are back to mid 2004 levels median incomes aren't for the many factors in this cycle.

However, in world economy where

Globalization
Techonology
Debt
Demographics

Are 4 forces that are very strong can we really see income growth in areas where we don't have supply and pricing power.

We have tech boom ... that's a small workforce

Facebook 150 Billion Dollar Market Value only employs 5,000 people

JC Penny 2.7 Billion market cap employs 120K people

So the wealth is created in such few industries in terms of incomes and liquid asset wealth ( Stock Option)

Energy is a plus for us, we have that going for us and charts there are good to look at. So that is one area where we can expand and we have a decent jobs recently.

However, it's tough to fix this with those 4 items above.

Not to say everything is gloom and doom, but I believe naturally we are a 2-3% GDP country at best case nothing more than that and wage growth is going to weak in many sectors because those jobs.. the manual labor services just doesn't demand strong incomes

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