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Dan8267 says

support voter ID laws designed to keep minorities from voting

But the Democrats are exactly as racist, so it evens out.

It's true, I tell you!

Dan8267 says

an we just admit that one third of Americans are just plain stupid and should not be allowed to vote or reproduce?

coming from a Lib like you... too rich!

Dan8267 says

I'm guessing that the further away their guesses were from Ukraine's actual location, the more likely they were to

- be religious

- oppose marriage equality

- reject evolution

- support voter ID laws designed to keep minorities from voting

- want to cut "entitlements" but not the military

Can we just admit that one third of Americans are just plain stupid and should not be allowed to vote or reproduce?

When you place the Ukraine inside the borders of the continental United States, you shouldn't have a voice when it comes to important decisions.

A war with Russia over Ukraine is just not gonna happen.
I would also say some wars to prevent larger wars are necessary. eg. If we had gone to war against Hitler in the 1930's, World War II, which caused unprecedented destruction, and cost 60 million lives could have been prevented.
To say all wars in this day and age are dumb, does not equate.

Not really. Libertarians and libertarian leaning politicians are the only ones who really want to stop the costly (lives and money) incessant meddling of the US military/CIA in affairs/wars they have no business or justification whatsoever to stuff their noses into the first place. Republicans and Democrats = the same.

Strategist says

To say all wars in this day and age are dumb, does not equate.

True, and no one has ever said that.

However, as you pointed out, a war with Russia over Crimea would be stupid.

Strategist says

If we had gone to war against Hitler in the 1930's, World War II, which caused unprecedented destruction, and cost 60 million lives could have been prevented.

If we had NOT gone to WW1 and tipped the scales between two exhausted sides, WW2 wouldn't have happened.

Why would a voter ID law keep minorities from voting?

A driver ID law did not seem to discourage them from driving.

If someone cannot produce a photo id, they should have all their assets confiscated and the booty should be deposited into social security fund.

Dan8267 says

Can we just admit that one third of Americans are just plain stupid and should not be allowed to vote or reproduce?

Based solely on Obama's releection, I can support this.

thunderlips11 says

If we had NOT gone to WW1 and tipped the scales between two exhausted sides, WW2 wouldn't have happened.

I also think we made a mistake going to war to support British ans French colonial expansion, as was the case with WW1.

Peter P says

Why would a voter ID law keep minorities from voting?

Texas Voter ID Law Discriminates Against Women, Students and Minorities

Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters

Voter ID Laws Could Disenfranchise 1 Million Young Minority Voters

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/24/texas-ag-admits-minorities-voted-republican-suppress-votes.html

The entire intention of voter ID laws is to prevent legitimate voters from voting. That's why all the states covered by the Civil Rights Voting Act are exactly the states pushing for these laws.

There is NO OTHER REASON for these laws. It's not to prevent in person voter fraud because that does not happen because there is nothing to gain and everything to lose and it's easy to get caught. What actually happens is absentee ballot voting, but republicans don't want to touch that because they are mostly from republican-voting military personnel.

If you want to stop the little voter fraud that is happening, you have to get rid of absentee ballots. And that means fewer votes for Republicans. End of story.

If someone does not have a photo id it means that they are on the margins of society, so they should at least arrive to voting precinct in style and blast this song:

"Rock N Roll Nigger

Baby was a black sheep. Baby was a whore.
Baby got big and baby get bigger.
Baby get something. Baby get more.
Baby, baby, baby was a rock-and-roll nigger.
Oh, look around you, all around you,
riding on a copper wave.
Do you like the world around you?
Are you ready to behave?

Outside of society, they're waitin' for me.
Outside of society, that's where I want to be.

(Lenny!)

Baby was a black sheep. Baby was a whore.
You know she got big. Well, she's gonna get bigger.
Baby got a hand; got a finger on the trigger.
Baby, baby, baby is a rock-and-roll nigger.

Outside of society, that's where I want to be.
Outside of society, they're waitin' for me.

(those who have suffered, understand suffering,
and thereby extend their hand
the storm that brings harm
also makes fertile
blessed is the grass
and herb and the true thorn and light)

I was lost in a valley of pleasure.
I was lost in the infinite sea.
I was lost, and measure for measure,
love spewed from the heart of me.
I was lost, and the cost,
and the cost didn't matter to me.
I was lost, and the cost
was to be outside society.

Jimi Hendrix was a nigger.
Jesus Christ and Grandma, too.
Jackson Pollock was a nigger.
Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,
nigger, nigger, nigger.

Outside of society, they're waitin' for me.
Outside of society, if you're looking,
that's where you'll find me.
Outside of society, they're waitin' for me.
Outside of society. (Repeat)
"

Dan8267 says

The entire intention of voter ID laws is to prevent legitimate voters from voting.

It's to prevent voter fraud, which apparently the Democrats depend on.

If there were any legitimate concern for election integrity, George W. Bush would have never been president.

Also, if there were any legitimacy to needing a standardized photo ID, then
1. The government would pay for it.
2. It would be hand delivered to each voter years before it was required at booths.
3. There would be an election in which the ID was not required to vote but used anyway to get a count of people who didn't have it but should.
4. Those people would be hand delivered an ID and there would be an investigation as to why they weren't delivered an ID before.
5. In each election in which the ID is used, people would still be allowed to vote without it, but their votes would be counted and logged separately to determine after-hand if they were legitimate voters. Only the non-legitimate votes would be discounted and those people prosecuted. All legitimate voters would be hand delivered an ID.

The fact that these provisions are not advocated by voter ID proponents reveals their intentions clearly. There is no reason why using the above provisions we can't guarantee every legal voter an ID that proves they can vote. But doing so completely defeats the sole purpose of voter ID laws: to circumvent voting laws to rig elections.

I see Dan is projecting again...

Are dead people automatically registered as democrats? I would think the photo ID might expose this corrupt activity, as certainly at least some, of the dead people would register as republicans?

indigenous says

I see Dan is projecting again...

Are dead people automatically registered as democrats? I would think the photo ID might expose this corrupt activity, as certainly at least some, of the dead people would register as republicans?

I call bullshit.

1. Votes by dead people are extremely rare. Two known such voters. Contrast that to the million people who would be denied their right to vote (see previous linked evidence) and it's clear that the intent of the voter ID laws isn't to make elections more honest.

Math for republicans: 1,000,000 is greater than 2. Much, much greater.

2. The zombie voters "Ten out of 16 times... voted by absentee ballot."

Evidence
Maryland Reporter

At least two dead voters showed up to vote at least once in a Maryland general election between 2004 and 2008, according to a voter registration watchdog group that has reviewed thousands of voter records this year, 1% of the rolls in the largest counties.

That's right, 2 out of thousands.

Mary Dowling, 67, who currently resides in a nursing home in Timonium, has two voter registration numbers. The latest voting records that are available show Dowling has been voting twice in almost every even-year election since 2002, in both the general and the primary. Ten out of 16 times Dowling voted by absentee ballot.

The last election Dowling said she remembered voting in was the 2006 gubernatorial election, when she said she voted for Republican candidate Robert Ehrlich. Beyond that, Dowling said she doesn’t believe she voted in either the 2008 or 2010 elections, or that she ever voter twice.

Once again, to attack what little fraud there is, remove all absentee voting.

Remember, the one election in our history that was altered by election fraud was the false election of Bush. Allowing him to be president was the worst endorsement of election fraud. If we were serious about ending election fraud, we would undo all of his policies to prevent the moral hazard of rewarding election fraud.

Oh, and that election fraud was committed by the vote counters, not the voters.

Dan8267 says

I call bullshit.

I see your bullshit and raise you one fact:

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

I find it interesting that this pivotal swing state says, "The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents."

"Dumbest Americans Support war"
You mean like Obama bombing Libya and wanting us to go to war in Syria?

Call it Crazy says

That doesn't count because it was decided by the Dems... They get a 'pass"....

AKA the projection rule/phenomenon

indigenous says

I find it interesting that this pivotal swing state says, "The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents."

I don't -- it just means they aren't purging voter rolls when people move.

The actual amount of voter fraud prevented by these voter ID acts is almost non-existent, as has been shown numerous times. It's solely about voter suppression/voter intimidation, and the people who want these laws have admitted it as such.

clambo says

"Dumbest Americans Support war"

You mean like Obama bombing Libya and wanting us to go to war in Syria?

Yes, Obama is black bush. Hilary is Bush with a penis.

They don't.
You don't.
Corporations do.

Dan8267 says

When you place the Ukraine inside the borders of the continental United States, you shouldn't have a voice when it comes to important decisions.

indigenous says

I see your bullshit and raise you one fact:

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

I have to question the so-called facts on a political site. How many invalid, in-person votes have been cast? Practically none. How many invalid, absentee ballets been cast? Orders of magnitudes more than in-person, yet still small.

How many legal votes would be prevented by voter ID laws? Over a million. What scumbag believes that preventing a handful of illegal votes justifies preventing a million legal votes? Which has a greater impact on elections.

People who propose these voter ID laws are lying scumbags who do not want elections to be ran fairly and accurately. That is the bottom line.

prodigy says

They don't.

You don't.

Corporations do.

Dan8267 says

When you place the Ukraine inside the borders of the continental United States, you shouldn't have a voice when it comes to important decisions.

Although corporations have far more sway over government than the common man, when it comes to war the opinion of a hundred million Americans, dumb as they may be, has an impact.

Anyone who doesn't have an ID is not a functional citizen.

However, I agree absentee ballots can be abused. I never understood this concept but it should be abolished except for military of course.

The line must and will be drawn at NATO borders, wherever they lie.
The big question is: Will Putin test this line via Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.
Not that he has much to gain, except probing the limits of a weak America.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

To say all wars in this day and age are dumb, does not equate.

True, and no one has ever said that.

However, as you pointed out, a war with Russia over Crimea would be stupid.