Can We Have A Moneyless Society? Alternative Possibilities
invite response
2014 Apr 26, 4:12am 2,838 views 11 comments
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smaulgld
2014 Apr 26, 4:22am
Housing would be one of the basics rights, provided for everyone. No more unwanted homelessness.
Wonderful provided for everyone by whom?
Government? Where do they get the money to pay for it?
Greedy capitalists? Nope, without money they wouldn't exist to fund such redistributionist schemes.
A definite brain teaser. Would be interesting to see a small group of people try it out. Mandating something like what is proposed an a massive scale could be an unmitigated disaster.
Perhaps on a small scale a value based chit system can be established. It would just seem at that point people would want beyond what can be produced in their area and then money would be needed again.
Indiana Jones
2014 Apr 26, 4:52am
Yes, government would need to instigate these things. Obviously not any of our current governments. The people in control now are very uninterested in changing things.
Would be interesting to see a small group of people try it out.
As a rehearsal for the broad implementation on a world wide scale this could be helpful to work out the bugs and make this as streamlined as possible. This would need to be broadly implemented or else the lure of greed and control would be too much for many people to handle.
For this to work, the entire economic system needs to cooperate. Enough consciousness needs to occur in humanity so that this can be done globally as well as locally.
smaulgld
2014 Apr 26, 4:56am
Yes, government would need to instigate these things. Obviously not any of our current governments. The people in control now are very uninterested in changing things.
Would be interesting to see a small group of people try it out.
As a rehearsal for the broad implementation on a world wide scale this could be helpful to work out the bugs and make this as streamlined as possible. This would need to be broadly implemented or else the lure of greed and control would be too much for many people to handle.
For this to work, the entire economic system needs to cooperate. Enough consciousness needs to occur in humanity so that this can be done globally as well as locally.
Actually for any of this to work government can't be involved.
Government is not a voluntary system, but rather relies on being in charge and as such it would coopt the entire affair making it as corruptable as a money system
Rin
2014 Apr 26, 2:15pm
The only way for this to happen is for robots to take over ... ALL work. And then, once human labor is obsolete, then we'll see a type of universal welfare system where everyone's got the basics and then, creative types will add to the system, as a whole.
indigenous
2014 Apr 26, 2:40pm
The irreducible minimum of this is comparative advantage and exchange.
Money is necessary for this to occur.
This has been will be corrupted by a central bank. For it to be forthright and just the government must be taken out of this arena.
Indiana Jones
2014 Apr 27, 5:59am
As far as no government involvement, I agree completely. The government as it now stands could not be part of this, as it would be oppositional. A NEW "government", needs to be assembled. Or call it a "coalition" or "council" -- whatever you want to name it. It's goal is not power, and it needs to be made non-corruptible. Details to be determined by the ones who can envision it.
indigenous says
For it to be forthright and just the government must be taken out of this arena.
Actually for any of this to work government can't be involved.
Government is not a voluntary system, but rather relies on being in charge and as such it would coopt the entire affair making it as corruptable as a money system
Indiana Jones
2014 Apr 27, 6:14am
I don't believe this is the only way for this system to work, although if what you suggest could happen than that might be a way to get there. But it all depends on who is in charge.
My concern is that the current system in charge now is not going to create robots strictly for the mass population's enjoyment and use, although that can be used it as a selling point. Will the takeover of robots further the inequality that is evolving now? Those with money have access to robots, those with out money, do not.
34bRin says
The only way for this to happen is for robots to take over ... ALL work. And then, once human labor is obsolete, then we'll see a type of universal welfare system where everyone's got the basics and then, creative types will add to the system, as a whole.
Indiana Jones
2014 Apr 27, 6:15am
If so, I'd love to see it. Which episode/movie?
lostand confused says
Wasn't that in Star trek??
smaulgld
2014 Apr 27, 6:43am
Yams?
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Yams.
Yams are the ultimate currency and food. Yams forever!
Money is Time
Time is Money
Money and Time are Control
Who really controls your time?
Who really controls your money?
Ideas to ponder:
Do you really want to spend your time doing a mind numbing job for too little money to provide a better life for your employer? We think we have control over our time. We only have control over our "free" time. Free to your employer, that is. Your employer uses your time and controls you with an exchange of money. You do this to live, because money is what is used in our society to survive.
What if our survival wasn't dependent on money? We believe money is necessary to our survival as a race, but what if we are wrong about that? What if our human race came together and worked together to provide the necessities of life for everyone? The resources are certainly there. It'd have to be organized in way that resources were distributed evenly -- it'd obviously have to be a structured system based in equality. We wouldn't then need money.
What would we do with our time? Part of it would be used in contributing in your own unique way back into the system which provides for everyone. If we had all adult humans being productive to their abilities, we'd have much less to do per person. No one person would benefit from working more than others. We could focus on our creative interests and passions, focus on creating a better, sustainable society and world. We could clean up the earth, we could spend time with people we love, care take our children and our elders. Creates things that will benefit humans as a whole, instead of a small minority.
No more agonizing about our savings funds, our retirement funds, our college funds four our kids. No more watching the stock market day in day out. Instead you could spend time with your friends, partner, kids. No more listening to the Fed's word as gospel. Housing would be one of the basics rights, provided for everyone. No more unwanted homelessness.
I know this idea will be ripped apart by some pat net posters here. But please think about the possibilities, disregarding the naysayers for a few moments. Some people will never get around their "realism" to be able to see that this is possible, but for the others,...what if?
http://www.ted.com/conversations/1890/do_we_need_money_at_all_ca.html
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