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FortWayne says

The only hatred I see is from liberals, because liberals truly hate everyone who disagrees with their deviance's.

1. I'm not gay.
2. It's not hateful to disagree with dehumanizing people.
3. Hate isn't a bad thing when it's directed at evil. Hate is the appropriate reaction to genocide, torture, rape, slavery, and the dehumanization of people.

You are suppose to feel hatred towards the Nazis, the KKK, slavers, rapists, and gay bashers. Hate is to agents of evil what disgust is to agents of disease. It's natural way of making sure you don't touch that.

FortWayne says

Liberals don't like to fix their shortcomings, they want others to accept them, and government to pay them for it.

Exactly what shortcomings of mine do you think I want government to pay me for?

curious2 says

Ugh - I wasted 20 minutes of my lunch by forgetting not to feed the troll.

The reason I posted in this thread was only to ask Dan a question, then I got distracted by a troll making a fool of itself.

It's not a waste. It demonstrates why religion and faith are evils.

This thread shows that religion and faith make people incapable of learning true morality. And it furthers the case that understanding morality and differentiating between good and evil requires rationality and science.

The understanding of morality has been advanced by science studying social creatures and held back by religion and faith. Fort Wayne is the perfect example of this.

We're not arguing with him because we hope to convince him of his misguided judgements. That would be impossible because religion has brainwashed him when he was a child. What we're doing is demonstrating how powerful that brainwashing is. Hopefully this will scare straight any teenager or young adult experimenting with religion.

SoftShell says

hee hee hee....another success story!

curious2 says

Ugh - I wasted 20 minutes of my lunch by forgetting not to feed the troll.

The reason I posted in this thread was only to ask Dan a question, then I got distracted by a troll

Spoken like a true troll.

Dan8267 says

Are you in Mayberry?

FortHood lives in Reseda, which is technically part of Los Angeles. Tom Petty mentioned the neighborhood in "Free Fallin:"

"It's a long day living in Reseda
There's a freeway runnin' through the yard"

I don't mean to malign the whole neighborhood, there might be some nice people there, but it's the sort of place you'd expect to find uneducated people. I think the neighborhood once produced a boxer, and a race car driver, so Forthood is the low end even for them. Not to stereotype, but Forthood seems the sort of white trash hypocrite hanging onto a postwar shack because of Prop 13, sending his spawn to the public schools, looking forward to Medicare, and all the while complaining about other people getting money from the government.

curious2 says

I don't mean to malign the whole neighborhood, there might be some nice people there, but it's the sort of place you'd expect to find uneducated people.

You don't mean, but you sure do.

FortWayne says

curious2 says

calling other human beings "abominations," which you did.

They are what they are.

It's been scientifically proven that homophobic people are in fact the one harboring gay feelings but repressing them.

So.... why don't you admit it, that you're gay?

Why don't you just admit it?

The Professor says

Can you prove there is no God? No, you can't.

"Can you prove there is no God? No, you can't."

Strategist says

The Professor says

Can you prove there is no God? No, you can't.

"Can you prove there is no God? No, you can't."

Silly argument.

FortWayne says

curious2 says

calling other human beings "abominations," which you did.

They are what they are.

Religion makes people irrational.

Heraclitusstudent says

So.... why don't you admit it, that you're gay?

Why don't you just admit it?

I always think of his avatar as wearing assless chaps.

curious2 says

I don't mean to malign the whole neighborhood, there might be some nice people there, but it's the sort of place you'd expect to find uneducated people.

Oh it's north Florida for California. 'Nuff said.

Dan8267 says

The Professor says

So your religion is atheism?

The faithful sure do love that talking point, but it's been thoroughly debunked for years.

Idiots must stop claiming that atheism is a religion.

Everything Bill Maher says in the above video is spot on. And it ends the talking point that atheism is a religion.

ha ha ha. Loved it.

Dan8267 says

2. It's not hateful to disagree with dehumanizing people.

Says the guy who passionately hates religious folk...

Dan8267 says

Oh it's north Florida for California. 'Nuff said.

And snobs at working class neighborhood...

FortWayne says

working class neighborhood...

Don't try to lump your neighbors in with you, Forthood. They are increasingly black and Latino, and they probably know all about you and your hatred of black people on TV. Most of them had to pay more for their houses than you did, probably resent your bringing down the neighborhood, and probably hate you even more than any PatNetter does. Prior to 9/11, the people who most hated the Taliban, and being lumped in with them, were the people who had to live with them in Afghanistan.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

2. It's not hateful to disagree with dehumanizing people.

Says the guy who passionately hates religious folk...

A Straw Man argument is the sign of defeat.

I have never posted anything that even remotely suggests I hate religious people.

I hate religion and how it fucks up people, but that does not mean I hate the people who are victims of religion, even when they become bigots. That is your assertion, not my position.

I have never attacked the people who are religious. I have always attacked religion itself. I stand by my posts.

In contrast, many of the posters on this site have attacked atheists, and there are plenty of videos demonstrating bigotry against atheists by the faithful. So, not only is your statement a Straw Man argument, but it is a hypocritical one at that.

Dan8267 says

A Straw Man argument is the sign of defeat.

IIRC, someone calling himself "FortWayne" used to post similar bigoted ignorance on SFGate.com, then went away in defeat, or got banned and deleted. People who actually live in San Francisco asked why someone who didn't even live here would troll obsessively on a local newspaper site. It might be the same closet case, whose secret shame keeps him coming back to any site connected with San Francisco.

curious2 says

IIRC, someone calling himself "FortWayne" used to post similar bigoted ignorance on SFGate.com, then went away in defeat, or got banned and deleted. People who actually live in San Francisco asked why someone who didn't even live here would troll obsessively on a local newspaper site. It might be the same closet case

Yep, I remember this commenter as well -- you're correct that everything sounds very similar. Assless chaps indeed!

corntrollio says

Assless chaps indeed!

Not everyone into assless chaps is gay. Some of us are just Mad Max fans.

Speaking of which, they are finally making a game of the movie. We've only been waiting 35 years!

http://madmaxgame.com/

Dan8267 says

I have never posted anything that even remotely suggests I hate religious people.

I hate religion and how it fucks up people, but that does not mean I hate the people who are victims of religion, even when they become bigots. That is your assertion, not my position.

I have never attacked the people who are religious. I have always attacked religion itself. I stand by my posts.

To apply a quote from the Bible....hate the sin, not the sinner.
Dan is probably saying....hate the religion, not the religious.

curious2 says

BTW, Leviticus uses the word "abomination" 19 times, mainly in connection with diet; handling pigskin (football) is also abomination, so no NFL for you. Also no clothing of mixed fiber, cutting the corners of your beard, dining with gentiles, shellfish (sorry Red Lobster!), etc.

To inform, but footballs are made from rubber materials, not pig skin or such. Fact is very little pig skin is used for any manufacturing.

Dan8267 says

You are suppose to feel hatred towards the Nazis, the KKK, slavers, rapists, and gay bashers. Hate is to agents of evil what disgust is to agents of disease. It's natural way of making sure you don't touch that.

Odd how you missed the Communist and Socialist... who killed far more
people than the KKK or Nazis ever could !

If one is to hate slavers well that would certainly include much of Africans for the past 500 years and up to today since Slavery exists everyday in Africa across to Southern Asia nations.

thomaswong.1986 says

footballs are made from rubber materials, not pig skin or such.

Today, yes, but originally they were made of pig bladders. Anyway followers of Leviticus refuse pig flesh including bacon and spare ribs, because Leviticus called pigs unclean. Hypocrites who quote Leviticus to inveigh against others, while ignoring it themselves, are pigs of a different feather.

thomaswong.1986 says

Odd how you missed the Communist and Socialist... who killed far more

people than the KKK or Nazis ever could !

If one is to hate slavers well that would certainly include much of Africans for the past 500 years and up to today since Slavery exists everyday in Africa across to Southern Asia nations.

1. "Socialists" didn't commit genocide.
2. Stalin should be hated for their crimes against humanity
3. The skin color of the slaver is irrelevant. All slavers are scum.
4. I don't subscribe to the Communist economic model. You're thinking of Jesus.

The Professor says

thomaswong.1986 says

very little pig skin is used for any manufacturing.

What about pork cracklings?

What about gloves, shoes, belts, saddles, etc., etc. Plus yummy pork cracklings.

thomaswong.1986 says

To inform, but footballs are made from rubber materials, not pig skin or such. Fact is very little pig skin is used for any manufacturing.

Wtf? Cheapo footballs for rec leagues are probably made of synthetic materials. Quality footballs for the NFL or college football are made with leather exteriors. Probably a lot of high school footballs are leather too. But it's not pigskin these days -- the Horween leather footballs for the NFL are cow.

DAN says

1. "Socialists" didn't commit genocide.

2. Stalin should be hated for their crimes against humanity

3. The skin color of the slaver is irrelevant. All slavers are scum.

4. I don't subscribe to the Communist economic model. You're thinking of Jesus.

your kidding right... Mao, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot to name a few...

If skin color is irrelevant, then you have a bigger issue with Black Africans,

your wasting everyones time onPNET blaming whites for Slavery... which you

always seem to be doing...

thomaswong.1986 says

your wasting everyones time onPNET blaming whites for Slavery.

Wow, somebody still hasn't gotten over the Civil War.

Dude, you lost. Get over it. Slavery is illegal and it ain't coming back.

The rest of us got over the slave issue a hundred and fifty years ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-place-to-hide-by-glenn-greenwald-on-the-nsas-sweeping-efforts-to-know-it-all/2014/05/12/dfa45dee-d628-11e3-8a78-8fe50322a72c_story.html

Now here is a quote to think about.

“When I quoted Baker at a recent debate at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment 'absolutely correct,' and raised him one, asserting, ‘We kill people based on metadata.’”

Dan8267 says

thomaswong.1986 says

your wasting everyones time onPNET blaming whites for Slavery.

Wow, somebody still hasn't gotten over the Civil War.

Dude, you lost. Get over it. Slavery is illegal and it ain't coming back.

The rest of us got over the slave issue a hundred and fifty years ago.

Slavery is probably the worst form of human rights abuse. There is no slavery in our country, but still flourishes in many parts of the world. I don't think there was any part of the world in human history that did not have slavery at one time or other.
We need to focus on eliminating slavery that still exists today along with exploitation, child labor, sex trafficking and what have you.
Lets do it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=slavery+flourishes&espv=210&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=wUZyU6_2CcvjoATi24CoDQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=633

Strategist says

There is no slavery in our country

America’s Prisons: The New Slave Plantations

To ensure their profitability, the corporation insists that it be guaranteed that the prisons be kept at least 90 percent full.

FUCK!!!!! A corporation is swaying the government to guarantee 90% booking in all prisons! That's fucked up.

http://www.UZaQFYQsphQ

Strategist says

There is no slavery in our country

We don't have the 1860's version of Africans picking cotton on plantations down south. But we do have other forms of slavery.

When government watches and controls everything, it's bound to happen. It's how they stop being our government and become our rulers.

Dan8267 says

merica’s Prisons: The New Slave Plantations

To ensure their profitability, the corporation insists that it be guaranteed that the prisons be kept at least 90 percent full.

FUCK!!!!! A corporation is swaying the government to guarantee 90% booking in all prisons! That's fucked up.

After 50 years of passing the Civil Rights Bill... all we have is failure
by the left... They failed to uproot and improve the lives of African
Americans.... so they create distractions to cover up their failure.

The prisons are not the issue .. its the failure of the New Left policies which has destroyed the African American Family... Distractions, thats all.

Dan8267 says

A corporation is swaying the government to guarantee 90% booking in all prisons! That's fucked up.

Capitalism's finest hour.

Dan8267 says

Of course, what would constitute enough evidence? The box fits the names, the time period, and there is no sign of it being a hoax, ancient or modern. There isn't even any evidence that this was intended to be a ancient or modern deception.

It's certainly could be a fraud or mistake; the guy involved with finding it is kind of an operator. He finds many real things, but also has "discovered" a lot of forgeries and fakes.

In any case, a box containing the most popular names in 1st Century AD Palestine is no more remarkable than finding a casket named "John", along with "Mary", "Anna", and "George" somewhere in Virginia, with no last name, and asserting it's the body of John Wilkes-Booth.

As for Gospel testimonies, they're all based on Mark (except maybe John who is interested in pushing anti-Marcionite theology), so there's really only one Gospel.

Jesus repeats everything done in the OT. If you own a copy of Fellowship of the Ring, it's not difficult to write a plausible "The Two Towers". I see the NT as Hellenistic "Fan Fiction" of the OT.

"The New Jim Crow" is all about how Blacks are used to fill prisons.

After all, when was the last time you heard police barging into a Hamptons beachhouse and arresting all the Financier attendees, finding thousands of dollars of coke?

But a trailer park and ghetto housing, no problem, happens in every city every day.

I'm curious what the average penalty is for a first time, upper class white guy coke user, versus a first time, poor black guy user. I betcha the latter gets a whole lot more.

FortWayne says

“When I quoted Baker at a recent debate at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment 'absolutely correct,' and raised him one, asserting, ‘We kill people based on metadata.’”

Yep, or SIM Cards.

Suspected Terrorist give one of his phones with some minutes remaining on it (these countries all use phone cards) to a cousin or Uncle. Cousin or Uncle goes to wedding. Drone fires missile based on Sim Cards, killing or maiming half a dozen people inc. children and women.

Uncle Sam deliberately does not count civilian casualties, something they learned not to do after Vietnam, because it makes him look bad. Anybody over 12 and male will be considered a suspected terrorist solely based on the fact that one attendee had a red-flagged SIM Card in their phone.

thunderlips11 says

I betcha the latter gets a whole lot more.

If there's more violence involved in manufacturing, distribution and B2C sales of one substance vs another then it is morally justifiable to criminalize selling/consumption of the substance in question. This is beyond issues of race, class and money. Some communities were devastated by certain "epidemics" at a much greater scale than upper class cokeheads.

dublin hillz says

If there's more violence involved in manufacturing, distribution and B2C sales of one substance vs another then it is morally justifiable to criminalize selling/consumption of the substance in question.

There's less violence involved in Coke? Mexican and Columbian Drug Gangs would disagree. Cocaine is the main ingredient of crack. So shouldn't Coke should be the focus, not it's heavily cut and lower-grade derivatives?

Speaking of Manhattan Financiers, there is simply no way Drug Lords don't launder their money via the banks, and no way the banks don't know. Drug Cartels couldn't possibly handle all the cash without using banks. The truth is the drug industry is a major customer of banks, but there isn't a willingness to go after the biggest political donors of both parties.

See HSBC.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213
They were caught red handed, pants-down. They got a fine that was the equivalent of a person who makes $50k a year getting around a $5000 fine. Not tough at all, at all.

thunderlips11 says

FortWayne says

“When I quoted Baker at a recent debate at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment 'absolutely correct,' and raised him one, asserting, ‘We kill people based on metadata.’”

Yep, or SIM Cards.

Suspected Terrorist give one of his phones with some minutes remaining on it (these countries all use phone cards) to a cousin or Uncle. Cousin or Uncle goes to wedding. Drone fires missile based on Sim Cards, killing or maiming half a dozen people inc. children and women.

I bet it's only a matter of time before they accidentally blow up some innocent families due to some meta data mistake and try to cover it up.

This is sickening how Gestapoish this government has become.

FortWayne says

I bet it's only a matter of time before they accidentally blow up some innocent families due to some meta data mistake and try to cover it up.

They already have bombed wedding parties via drone (or cruise missile).

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-officials-drone-targeted-embassy-plot-leader
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/03/29/the-civilian-massacre-the-us-will-neither-confirm-nor-deny/
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/07/22163872-us-investigates-yemenis-charge-that-drone-strike-turned-wedding-into-a-funeral?lite

They don't record - or at least evaluate - civilian causalities. The bad guys learn, too. They hated being hit over the head with them in Vietnam.