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edvard2 says

They'll once more choose a totally inappropriate candidate with outdated idealogical plans and lose the vote to basically everyone except for their shrinking base.

You may be right...

edvard2 says

But a whole ton of the plans that he has proposed economic-wise would not only bankrupt the country but put even more money into the pockets out outside controlling interests in various lobbys

I haven't paid much attention because I know they have no chance at this time. I thought he wanted to balance the budget way out just to get the conversation started. He is a CPA he kind of knows what he is talking abut regarding the BK thing. Is that the spin the Dems are putting on it?

Truthfully with as much waste as there is: in overpaid public employees at the Fed level, corruption in SS, the 175 billion dollars on the video just posted on the X35 that will not work, overlapping agencies between the Fed and the state levels, subsidies (corporate welfare), defense contractor boondoggles, the post office, etc, etc.

The budget might be brought under control simply by getting rid of most of the subsidies. Sowell says that you would not even have to get rid of all of them to balance the budget.

That is a trillion fucking dollars every fucking year give me a fucking break.

Look at how the judge who automatically grants long term disability claims automatically. That is 10 million people which is a 2 fer by the way because they no longer are paying taxes.

Or how big pharma poisons the people with some sort of panacea that leads to mass shootings at a huge fucking profit.

Look at how many things are public that should be private. How much would it save on schools, police, prisons, healthcare, if privatized?

Egregious pensions for public employees, how many thousands in just Calif are over 200k let alone over 100k for bullshit jobs?

Bankrupt NO, a different budget you bet your ass

indigenous says

That is a trillion fucking dollars every fucking year give me a fucking break.

Removing a trillion dollars in federal spending would shrink the economy by at least a trillion dollars. ~7%

Nice way to cure economic problems, that.

control point says

Removing a trillion dollars in federal spending would shrink the economy by at least a trillion dollars.

Typical fallacy, Nope e.g. take away the 4 trillion spent on the bailout. Would it reduce the economy by 4 trillion? Fuck no not even close.

What is worse you mutts think that government spending increases economic activity. Did that 4 trillion produce more than 4 trillion in economic activity? Fuck no

indigenous says

Typical fallacy, Nope e.g. take away the 4 trillion spent on the bailout. Would it reduce the economy by 4 trillion? Fuck no not even close.

Google this:

Y = C+I+G+NX. What is Y? What is G?

By definition, smarty pants.

indigenous says

What is worse you mutts think that government spending increases economic activity. Did that 4 trillion produce more than 4 trillion in economic activity? Fuck no

I don't think you want to talk about velocity with me again.

And by the way, you don't understand the difference between a balance sheet item and an income statement item. If you did, you would know that the answer is yes. As M2 grew $4 trillion over 6.5 years 2008-2014.5. GDP grew $2.5T in 2014 alone from where it was in 2008. And 1.9T in 2013. And $1T in 2011. And $.5T in 2010. Lets see, 2.5+1.9+1+.5 > 4.

control point says

Google this:

Y = C+I+G+NX. What is Y? What is G?

By definition, smarty pants.

Bite me

Purchases by the government do not find market value. Would anyone spend 350 million on an X35 when it can be shot down by a French Mirage and located with WWll radar? That is what happens with government spending it is a malinvestment and has a fraction of the value of the money spent. and it will not create economic activity other than the malinvesment I indicated.

You do know how fallacious that GDP number is anyway right?

control point says

I don't think you want to talk about velocity with me again.

Oh dear I'm so intimidated, sounds like you are flattering your self, typical?

indigenous says

Purchases by the government do not find market value. Would anyone spend 350 million on an X35 when it can be shot down by a French Mirage and located with WWll radar? That is what happens with government spending it is a malinvestment and has a fraction of the value of the money spent. and it will not create economic activity other than the malinvesment I indicated.

You don't even understand your made up Austrian terms. Buying x35's is not an example of malinvestment for the reasons you give. If true, its a bad investment at any price.

control point says

You don't even understand your made up Austrian terms. Buying x35's is not an example of malinvestment for the reasons you give. If true, its a bad investment at any price.

Once again Mr CP with all due respect, bite me

While it is true that since it is not on the market in the first place perhaps you could not call it something that is being invested in in he first place. But since it does not have value for it's intended customer it is a case of money being spent on something that does not have the intended value.

indigenous says

Once again Mr CP with all due respect, bite me

HAHA.

With all due respect, every idea you read from mises.org ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on.

control point says

With all due respect, every idea you read from mises.org ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on.

Ah yes, you have already run out of arguments.

I prefer the dogs playing poker, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob?

indigenous says

yea that is the same thing, flawless logic, what a twit.

Bill Maher makes a logical, sensible, and convincing argument demonstrating with amble examples and evidence that conservatives are utterly full of false outrage over Benghazi and are trying to connive a false scandal while ignoring real and important scandals and the real threat to the health, safety, and security of America: climate change.

Your wussy and unfounded remark does not at all address any of the well-established points Maher made. You cannot dismiss a well-reasoned argument with a generic snarly remark.

When you want to debate the real issue, we'll be ready. Until then, you have conceded the issue.

indigenous says

I prefer the dogs playing poker, I suppose I'm a bit of a snob?

I always liked the women in the low cut black dress with big tits. But hey if you get off on dogs playing poker I'm ok with that.

Dan8267 says

Your wussy and unfounded remark does not at all address any of the well-established points Maher made. You cannot dismiss a well-reasoned argument with a generic snarly remark.

With all due respect bite me bitch

That was a comedy bit that was ALL conjecture. Sarcasm about Susan Rice not using notes, sarcasm about Lindsay Graham, sarcasm about the blond on Fox news, sarcasm about Darrell Issa, sarcasm about republican rhetoric, sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm. Not one argument about the facts of Benghazi.

I saw him once on the George Steponallofus show whee he claimed that Brazil no longer used oil because of their sugar ethanol program. Actually an argument, a point, which was quickly exposed as bogus by George Will.

No he is glib and superficial.

Dan8267 says

When you want to debate the real issue, we'll be ready. Until then, you have conceded the issue.

You are flattering yourself.

So when do you plan on joining reality?

edvard2 says

prodigy says

The writing is on the wall.

Some people apparently live in a mythical universe...

indigenous says

With all due respect bite me bitch

Bend over and I'll do more.

indigenous says

That was a comedy bit that was ALL conjecture.

1. Comedy and valid points are not mutually exclusive.
2. It was funny because it demonstrates how utterly ridiculously hypocritical and lying republicans are.
3. There was absolutely no conjecture in the video.
4. Everything point made by Maher was supported by example.
5. The examples were all videos. Getting caught on video red handed is the best evidence today. It creates a permanent, absolute, unlying record of the events.
6. You have not refuted any of the arguments Maher made. You are simply trying to poison the well, which is a fallacy and a common unethical or juvenile tactic of the right.

indigenous says

Not one argument about the facts of Benghazi.

No you're thinking of the guy in the mirror. You have presented no facts to refute Maher.

Maher has presented a multitude of facts including
- Republicans have made accusations based on trivial wording differences like "act of terror" rather than "terrorist act".
- Republicans were caught in a hypocrisy about whether it's permissible to criticize the president while he is on foreign soil
- Republicans used stupid, meaningless standards like "Obama was four minutes into his speech before mentioning an act of terror" to imply that Obama was condoning terrorist acts against America.
- Republicans were never outraged that Nixon was an accomplice to the crime of burglary in the Watergate Scandal.
- Republicans were never outraged that Reagan traded weapons to terrorists. If Obama did this, he would be impeached as a traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
- Republicans were never outraged that Bush II sent General Powell to lie to the U.N. Yet they accuse Obama of lying about Benghazi because he said "act of terror" instead of "terrorist act".
- 4 in 10 Republicans said that Benghazi is the worst scandal in history above Watergate, purpose injecting civilians with syphilis, lying about WMDs in Iraq, lying about Saddam being connect to 9/11, slavery, and the many genocides of the Native Americans. This is both ridiculous and offensive to human dignity.

No facts? You are totally full of shit. You may be able to bullshit about subject matters in a face-to-face conversation, but on the Internet everything is verifiable. Any lie you state will be exposed. And the more shit you make up, the stupider you and your politics look.

Can I bite you now?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KlhpxsXgR3U

By the way, keep up the Benghazi bullshit. It makes you dumb asses look as crazy as you are. Keep it coming.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/HMkerqSnjVU

Did I hear that Ahmed Abu Khatallah is saying he got inspired by the anti-Islam video after all? That'll really make the Wingnuts' heads explode.

Dan8267 says

Bend over and I'll do more.

So you are a homosexual then?

Dan8267 says

Republicans have made accusations based on trivial wording differences like "act of terror" rather than "terrorist act".

yea all the Republican stuff is important... (sarcasm)

Dan8267 says

4 in 10 Republicans said that Benghazi is the worst scandal in history above Watergate

What percentage of the Democrats think there is global warming?

Dan8267 says

No facts? You are totally full of shit. You may be able to bullshit about subject matters in a face-to-face conversation, but on the Internet everything is verifiable.

Facts are somebody did something. Polls are not facts they are opinions.

We are talking about Benghazi not Reagan, Bush, Nixon they are irrelevant.

The rest of the stuff is trivial.

The video in the OP is about FACTS.

Bill Maher is NOT it is a fucking comedy show.

Good question, the reason is it goes to the character of a potential presidential candidate. Not to mention some dedicated personnel were killed because of the indifference

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Bend over and I'll do more.

So you are a homosexual then?

What does that matter to you? Are you a bigot?

indigenous says

yea all the Republican stuff is important... (sarcasm)

Sarcasm is not a counter-argument.

indigenous says

What percentage of the Democrats think there is global warming?

Irrelevant. Climate change or global warming is a scientific fact. Science is not a democracy. There is truth and there are falsehoods. Which is which is not determined by a popularity contest.

At this point, with the mountainous evidence of climate change with many independent lines of verification, anyone who claims to doubt the reality and severity of man-made climate change is a liar, an idiot, or willfully ignorant. Of course, these three things are not mutually exclusive.

indigenous says

Facts are somebody did something. Polls are not facts they are opinions.

It is a fact that Reagan gave weapons to terrorists. It is a fact that the republicans had no objection to this, nonetheless outrage like they pretend to have at Obama wording a speech "incorrectly".

Also, polls reveal facts about people's positions. It is a fact that 4 out of 10 republicans referred to Benghazi as the worst scandal in American history. This fact is important as it demonstrates how bat-shit crazy the republicans are. Just because you don't like a fact doesn't make it not a fact.

indigenous says

We are talking about Benghazi not Reagan, Bush, Nixon they are irrelevant.

We are talking about the insincerity of republican motives in trying to create a false scandal around Benghazi, the inaccuracy of the so-called facts the republicans present, and the utter hypocrisy of their actions.

So yes, revealing that Reagan gave arms to the terrorists is most certainly relevant. Just because you don't like that I've shown Reagan, not Obama, to be the one guilty of treason of the highest degree does not make that fact irrelevant or republicans any less hypocrites for deifying Reagan while condemning Obama for some utter bullshit about supporting the terrorists which could not be further from the truth.

You republicans are so bat-shit crazy when it comes to Obama and so utterly divorced from any resemblance of reality that I, someone who has called for Obama to be tried for crimes against humanity, have to defend him in order to defend the truth. You're accusations against him are so ludicrous that either you are utterly insane or completely and blatantly racist. Again, these two things are not mutually exclusive.

indigenous says

The rest of the stuff is trivial.

The video in the OP is about FACTS.

Bill Maher is NOT it is a fucking comedy show.

Once again, you have failed to even attempt to address a single point Maher made, and in failing so have revealed that you are incapable of making any counter-arguments. This is not surprising because you lack both the truth, which is the easier ground to defend, and the intelligence to make any coherent argument.

I see from your last sentence above that merely creating a complete, intelligible sentence is a stretch for your intellect.

Call it Crazy says

You keep posting the Bill Maher videos.... Like he has ANY relevancy to anything...

So, who's the dumb ass now??

The person who's only argument against Maher is that he's funny and therefore must not be correct. That is in no way a valid counter-argument. At best, you are occupying the second lowest level of the argument pyramid and that is a losing position.

To all those listening to this thread, I have a question. Is the average republican as utterly stupid as those posting on this thread, or are these republicans on Patrick.net particularly stupid?

I remember Obama and the Democrats saying that this was caused by a public protest against some video on the internet. That excuse was bullshit then, and it's still bullshit now.

Dan8267 says

What does that matter to you? Are you a bigot?

Why are you ashamed of your homosexuality?

Dan8267 says

Sarcasm is not a counter-argument.

It indicates that it is trivial

Dan8267 says

At this point, with the mountainous evidence of climate change with many independent lines of verification, anyone who claims to doubt the reality and severity of man-made climate change is a liar, an idiot, or willfully ignorant. Of course, these three things are not mutually exclusive.

Just answer the question.

Dan8267 says

t is a fact that Reagan gave weapons to terrorists

Irrelevant

Dan8267 says

ou're accusations against him are so ludicrous that either you are utterly insane or completely and blatantly racist.

Neither, there was some question as to my sanity but after coming to this site I am in good shape... I don't have a racist bone in my body. No one is entitled to anything ceptin if you ask a liberal.

Dan8267 says

making any counter-arguments.

Sarcasm does not work well with logic, it sort of like a wish which does not apply to logic. By virtue of this Bill Maher cannot be consider anything more than entertainment.

Dan8267 says

Is the average republican as utterly stupid as those posting on this thread, or are these republicans on Patrick.net particularly stupid?

And this once again is called projecting.

He just wants to know if you will enjoy it, or just be performing a necessary evil...

Dan8267 says

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Bend over and I'll do more.

So you are a homosexual then?

What does that matter to you? Are you a bigot?

indigenous says

Ah yes, you have already run out of arguments.

Indigenous: Government spending is 1 trillion dollars per year in waste, that is hurting our economy. Cut it.
CP: If you cut a trillion from government spending, the economy will contract at least 7%.
Indigenous: No it wouldn't there was 4 trillion in stimulus spending, that didn't increase the economy 4 trillion.
CP: Government spending is a component of economic output by definition. And yes, the economy increased by more than $4 trillion, so the money supply growth did grow the economy.
Indigenous: No it isn't because of malinvestment.
CP: That isn't the definition of malinvestment, nor is your f35 example malinvestment.
Indigenous: Yeah true, but still malinvestment.

I have run out of arguments? You agreed with me, but just restated malinvestment as your argument again. I refuted your central point (the top of the pyramid), you agreed, then just restated.

That is not a new argument. I have nothing to respond to.

You did not refute anything, another case of fact by decree?

The economy is as jacked up as the 1930s.

You blindly say it has grown the economy without anything to indicate cause, just that it grew.

thunderlips11 says

Isn't it amazing? And they pretend that this dude's capture seems awfully coincidental...because Hillary might be running for office. That makes more sense to them than their whole "sweep our lying bluster under the rug because we know the stupid voters will forget our massive lies/errors".

FortWayne says

I remember Obama and the Democrats saying that this was caused by a public protest against some video on the internet. That excuse was bullshit then, and it's still bullshit now.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

Of course, if the perpetrator says that was his motivation, it must be because the Administration MADE HIM SAY SO! Right?

It's early yet, so I won't claim that to be the case. But how do I already know what the wingnuts will say if it is proven to be true?

FortWayne says

I remember Obama and the Democrats saying that this was caused by a public protest against some video on the internet.

The thought that was the case; they were wrong. That doesn't mean they were conspiring to cover anything up. It was a reasonable mistake and it wasn't a final answer, just what they suspected at the time before they had time to investigate the issue thoroughly.

It's not like they made a clusterfuck of a mistake by confusing which country has WMDs because they got a letter wrong: Iran/Iraq, what's the difference?

Call it Crazy says

He's NOT funny....

Irrelevant. Maher's facts are correct.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

To all those listening to this thread,

WAKE UP DUDE... There's NO audio on this site... people have to READ the thread...

Now we really know what your issue is..... Go ahead, put your ear to your screen.... Can you hear me typing????

Are you truly that fucking stupid or are you just feigning it?

Dan8267 says

The thought that was the case; they were wrong. That doesn't mean they were conspiring to cover anything up.

Sure they are...

Dan8267 says

It's not like they made a clusterfuck of a mistake by confusing which country has WMDs because they got a letter wrong: Iran/Iraq, what's the difference?

Oh ok so then it is ok, for sure tell that to the families involved it wasn't as bad as the mistakes Bush made.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

What does that matter to you? Are you a bigot?

Why are you ashamed of your homosexuality?

That's a pretty lame and juvenile passive-aggressive attack.

It would be like asking you if you are getting help for your pedophilic behavior.

You are implying multiple things that are false, but lack the intestinal fortitude to come out and make the accusations clearly. In other words, you are a liar and a coward.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Sarcasm is not a counter-argument.

It indicates that it is trivial

It indicates that you have nothing intelligent to contribute to the discussion.

If your opponent's arguments are weak, then it should be trivially easy to demonstrate that they are, just as I am right now demonstrating how obviously wrong you are.

Evidence plus sarcasm may make a point, but sarcasm without any evidence or reasoning does not.

indigenous says

Just answer the question.

I did. I don't know what percentage of Democrat voters or constituents acknowledge man-made climate change and it is irrelevant because
1. Science is not a democracy and the truth is not determined by a popularity vote.
2. It is not the Democratic Party that is killing Americans and endangering our national security by allowing pollution and climate change and by blocking solutions to these problems.

So go ahead and try to twist the truth into some perverted form. I'm ready to make you look like an ass when you do.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

t is a fact that Reagan gave weapons to terrorists

Irrelevant

Bull-fucking-shit. If Obama gave weapons to Islamic terrorists, you and the entire Republican Party would be calling for his immediate execution as a traitor. You are hypocrites and you are liars who rewrite history for your own perverted purposes.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Is the average republican as utterly stupid as those posting on this thread, or are these republicans on Patrick.net particularly stupid?

And this once again is called projecting.

Honey, it's not projecting when it's based on empirical evidence. You use the term "projecting" as "I can't think of any reason why you're wrong, so I'll make shit up."

Example: The math teacher said that the square root of two is irrational, but he's just projecting.

SoftShell says

He just wants to know if you will enjoy it, or just be performing a necessary evil...

I can assure you that it is impossible that anyone would enjoy sex with indigenous.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

The thought that was the case; they were wrong. That doesn't mean they were conspiring to cover anything up.

Sure they are...

See that part where you used ellipses? That's where you're suppose to put the evidence.

indigenous says

Oh ok so then it is ok, for sure tell that to the families involved it wasn't as bad as the mistakes Bush made.

Gladly. Not knowing the cause of the Benghazi attack five hours after the attack isn't as bad as causing the deaths of a million innocent people including young children. Had they never made the mistake of thinking that the anti-Mohammad film was the instigating factor, it would not have changed anything at all. It certainly would not have brought the dead back to life.

However, had Bush not lied about Iraq to start a war this child would not be dead.

Nor would many others

Line up the bodies of the children, the thousands of children — the infants, the toddlers, the schoolkids — whose bodies were torn to pieces, burned alive or riddled with bullets during the American invasion and occupation of Iraq. Line them up in the desert sand, walk past them, mile after mile, all those twisted corpses, those scraps of torn flesh and seeping viscera, those blank faces, those staring eyes fixed forever on nothingness.

This is the reality of what happened in Iraq; there is no other reality…

You are a fucking asshole for even attempting to equate the two.

Dan8267 says

That's a pretty lame and juvenile passive-aggressive attack.

It was in response to you trying to assert yourself as the alpha.
IOW don't flatter yourself.

Dan8267 says

Evidence plus sarcasm may make a point, but sarcasm without any evidence or reasoning does not.

Catch me up, I'm not going to try and piece together what you are talking about

Dan8267 says

Just answer the question.

What was the question

Dan8267 says

Bull-fucking-shit. If Obama gave weapons to Islamic terrorists, you and the entire Republican Party would be calling for his immediate execution as a traitor.

He did through fast and furious. Regarding which Eric Holder became the first member of a cabinet to be held in contempt of congress.

But it is irrelevant in that both were wrong, although North was convicted and punished for the crime.

Dan8267 says

Honey, it's not projecting when it's based on empirical evidence. You use the term "projecting" as "I can't think of any reason why you're wrong, so I'll make shit up."

Example: The math teacher said that the square root of two is irrational, but he's just projecting.

Nope it is just a fact, that much of what is said is not a fact rather name calling. E.G. you calling me honey.

"Psychological projection is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others"

Math is just an a priori fact it is not projecting.

Call it Crazy says

Here Dan, this might help you with the definition of "listening":

1lis·ten

verb \ˈli-sən\

: to pay attention to someone or something in order to hear what is being said, sung, played, etc.

—used to tell a person to listen to what you are saying

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/listen

figure of speech
noun, plural figures of speech. Rhetoric .
any expressive use of language, as a metaphor, simile, personification, or antithesis, in which words are used in other than their literal sense, or in other than their ordinary locutions, in order to suggest a picture or image or for other special effect.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/figure+of+speech

I also suggest a new word, Benghaziphilia, meaning
Deliberate misinterpretation for the purpose of avoiding the truth.

Example usage: Indigenous's Benghaziphillia caused him to think that Patrick.net had a built-in screen reader after Dan mentioned people listening to a thread.

Dan8267 says

See that part where you used ellipses? That's where you're suppose to put the evidence.

A lot of people have been trying. Somehow that incendiary video story just doesn't seem plausible.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Bull-fucking-shit. If Obama gave weapons to Islamic terrorists, you and the entire Republican Party would be calling for his immediate execution as a traitor.

He did through fast and furious.

Boy are you grasping for Straws to suggest that Obama was responsible for Fast and Furious but Reagan was not for Iran Contra. Does the level of ridiculousness have no bearing on which lies you pick to say? You really should start factoring in ridiculousness into those decisions.

Dan8267 says

However, had Bush not lied about Iraq to start a war this child would not be dead.

By comparison Obama seems like a choir boy

Dan8267 says

I can assure you that it is impossible that anyone would enjoy sex with indigenous.

Are you propositioning me?