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Rew
2014 Oct 8, 10:12am
(without changed habits)
It's never before effected West Africans with a distrust of their government and burial rights involving touching the dead.
Edit: and it's a highly genetically similar strain of Ebola Zaire. WHO says so currently. Scientific America has a great article on why the fears over this going airborne (being more infectious) are more science fiction than science fact.
I don't argue that, honestly Ebola Zaire is one of the scariest "bugs" on the planet. My bone to pick here is people spreading internet garbage and playing into the panic our media will drum up. CiC claims he is on the same side, but I think he is not a genetically similar strain to me. ;)
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 8, 11:17am
Yep, I'll do research
Look out, everyone: He's doin' research!
Bgamall, is that you?
Please share your controlled studies with us. Where will the contagion go next?
Rew
2014 Oct 8, 12:55pm
Per WHO, this current outbreak is a variant of the ZAIRE strain...
Helping you with your emphasis. The reason being that means we already know a lot about the characteristics of this virus. It's not an unknown or new filovirus agent.
CiC claims : paraphrasing but says words to the effect of ... "some people like to bring politics into it" ... yet first replies here are all Obama-bash crap.
CiC claims he is just regurgitating what is reported on MSM, yet posts rumor mill BS power washing photos.
CiC says he thinks panic will be a worse result than any possible outbreak here (I agree), but originally has a "just you wait and see how fast this spreads" attitude. Continually now posts from a "it spreads faster and is worse" stance because this outbreak is more widespread than any before it.
Evidence is strongly suggesting that it is not because it is a "new strain" or having some new characteristics, but because it is the first time it has hit a large population, which likes to touch their dead, was slow to get awareness growing of what was happening, and has poor infrastructure and medical capacity with dense population centers.
Based on historical experience this should behave like the Zaire strands always have. Flare up, burn fast and bright, and are contained or burn themselves out as they go through all available hosts. Additionally, it will not take a strong hold in the US, Europe, or elsewhere for all the reasons that the societies, flow of information, infrastructure, and medical capabilities are different.
CiC, you can take the counter, but for Human kinds sake, you better be hoping I'm right. ;)
Rew
2014 Oct 8, 2:17pm
1) Do you dispute the WHO chart I just posted?
Nope.
2) Is it growing or slowing down in Western Africa?
Reported cases will be growing, but transmission rate is hard to measure. Unknown.
3) Has it spread to any other countries besides the Western African ones?
Yes, but very limited and isolated.
4) Is this outbreak larger or smaller than any other in the last decades?
Larger.
My turn:
1) Of all previous outbreaks has Ebola been contained?
2) Is this a new or known strain of Ebola with a close genetic history with well understood pathology and transmission?
3) Could the man cleaning the car just as easily have contracted Ebola by skin contact, poor suit removal, or any other typical touch contact?
4) Isn't it because West Africa has so many other fever like diseases, including Lassa, poor awareness of Ebola, mistrust of government, and burial practices involving touching dead bodies, the main contributing factors to why the Ebola outbreak is so bad in West Africa?
5) Is the strain airborne or known to be more infectious than any other previous strain of Ebola Zaire?
6) Why do you feel the need to post the half baked articles, and then when challenged, run to the WHO to argue over semantics?
Do the reports from the MSM scare you when they report updated or changing information?
I'm STILL waiting on your response on this:
So far the media coverage is actually pretty positive in the direction of containment. So far, of all the travel and transmission cases, we have very little secondary outbreaks in the US and Europe ... so far (we need to see in a month). Of all the people Duncan came into contact only 9 were at high risk. That's pretty darn good, and we took quick action to quarantine. Additionally, right now, that travel and exposure case so mimics Mayinga and her bout with Ebola. No additional transmissions, lots of roaming in population centers, and visits to health facilities, with no additional transmissions.
What about the Journalist who claimed he caught it from spray washing the car. Was he lying?
Lying no but he doesn't know his actual path of transmission. The same for the nurses aid in Spain and all the internet rabble about "the suit failure". This is also a side show defense for your concrete power washing photo post. It has no relation to how factual that was.
There is no "historical experience" with this sized outbreak. Can you say "Normalcy Bias" if you think it will go the same way in these urban cities.
It goes the same way, on a bigger scale. More deaths, but eventually contained. One of the reasons Ebola's R0 is so low, is because of how lethal and fast it moves. I'm no virologist, but I believe it. If the virus was contagious when people were asymptomatic, or it was airborne, different story, but we know "this bug".
Yep, they're different.... Should we review the Dallas case?
If you call 1 person, who picked up the virus from Liberia, and then traveled to die in the US the same as almost 4000 dead in West Africa ... you need a head check.
I've never taken the counter, that's only been in your delusional brain. This is what my stance has been all along:
Good. We agree on that one thing. :) Panic will be worse. Seem's you may be doing your best to spread it though.
We'll see... Nobody (including the experts) can say with certainty yet with this current outbreak (except for you)...
Certain, no. No one can be. Optimistic and confidant, yes.
You don't share that with me though, and I think your "facts" and posts are pretty well slanted toward the right wing panic and noise machine. Can you prove me wrong?
indigenous
2014 Oct 8, 2:23pm
Of all previous outbreaks has Ebola been contained?
A new word to add to the vernacular, endemic. The problem with endemic is that it gets that much more chance to mutate into an aerosol form.
Rew
2014 Oct 8, 3:22pm
It's reported by WHO as a variant, but since I'm not a scientist, I don't know how much it "varies" from the previous strains.
It's pretty darn close from what I can see. 1990s flavor, uptake into zoo, and then down to Humans now. They will narrow it even closer I'm sure. I'm sure this thing is in hundreds of labs right now.
http://epidemic.bio.ed.ac.uk/ebolavirus_phylogeny
Lethal, yes a 50%+ CFR.... Fast??, it's incubation is longer that some other viruses... Fast only comes in after symptoms show and how quick you die.
Currently believed you have very low viral count and are not infectious while asymptomatic. Take AIDS instead, a really slow killer, but related. You sit undetected, spread like crazy, and then knock people over after a long time. That's actually a positive for why it is less likely to spread. Also it has really noticeable symptoms! Ebola starts popping up everywhere, you feel like you have soar throat and flu, you quarantine yourself. It's not stealthy.
You're claiming First World healthcare and facilities here, but the Dallas case shows we aren't any better.
Because we couldn't cure an incurable disease picked up in a foreign country? Of course we can catch it ... but again, so far, no transmission. Let's see how well we do.
I'm NOT optimistic that our medical professionals and facilities can handle multiple cases. That's based on first hand experience working in the healthcare field.
I'll repeat what I've already said: I'm NOT concerned about the actual Ebola virus at all.
I'm more concerned on the countries inability to handle multiple cases and the government's knee-jerk reactions to the fear and response to the outcry of the general public.
And you think regurgitating the MSM is helpful to that cause?
The latest report from her was that she thinks she touched her glove to her face.
That's right. And look at what it was yesterday.
What do you think the car wash guy's reason is going to be tomorrow? It could be spray back, but odds are far better for contact.
And yes, beat a dead horse example above.
So just stop it CiC. Do your part.
Vicente
2014 Oct 9, 1:46am
I with Patrick.net had the ability for a moderator, to close a thread. This one has become unwieldy and useless.
indigenous
2014 Oct 9, 1:49am
I with Patrick.net had the ability for a moderator, to close a thread. This one has become unwieldy and useless.
Translation:
I have been thoroughly beaten in this debate
"While you dorks worry about Federal Reserve or the price of milk...."
I think you've got that backwards!
Only in America, send a clean-up crew in to mop up high contagious Ebola vomit, give them a power washer so they can blow it all over the place. Oh, and don't give them any personal protection equipment....
But, some people here feel that the authorities have everything under control and there is no chance of it spreading...
Sure.....
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Happy 2 year anniversary to the ebola powerwash hysteria, brought to us by our resident dipshit, CIC!!!
Rew
2017 Jul 19, 11:57am
This ancient dweller in the blood never ceases to amaze.
Those reports of plagues being released by the perma frost melting in Siberia have been fascinating too. For our sake, I hope humans don't come into any more contact with super primitive diseases. As we tread over parts of the Earth we haven't been, or as parts of the Earth become re-exposed to potential human contact, things tend to not go very well for us in the infectious diseases department.
I'm sure the Trump administration will "win" if there was a flare up too. (gulp) They would be very willing to look at what Obama did, a massive success for the West African ebola response, and learn from that right? I mean, they wouldn't use a crisis of that type to stoke xenophobic fear and nationalism right?
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While you dorks worry about Federal Reserve or the price of milk....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/ebola-west-africa_n_5515140.html