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Ebola out of control


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2014 Jun 20, 5:12am   113,224 views  289 comments

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While you dorks worry about Federal Reserve or the price of milk....

DAKAR, Senegal (AP) — The Ebola outbreak ravaging West Africa is "totally out of control," according to a senior official for Doctors Without Borders, who says the medical group is stretched to the limit in its capacity to respond.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/ebola-west-africa_n_5515140.html

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278   HydroCabron   2014 Oct 8, 11:17am  

Call it Crazy says

Yep, I'll do research

Look out, everyone: He's doin' research!

Bgamall, is that you?

Please share your controlled studies with us. Where will the contagion go next?

279   Rew   2014 Oct 8, 12:55pm  

Call it Crazy says

Per WHO, this current outbreak is a variant of the ZAIRE strain...

Helping you with your emphasis. The reason being that means we already know a lot about the characteristics of this virus. It's not an unknown or new filovirus agent.

CiC claims : paraphrasing but says words to the effect of ... "some people like to bring politics into it" ... yet first replies here are all Obama-bash crap.

CiC claims he is just regurgitating what is reported on MSM, yet posts rumor mill BS power washing photos.

CiC says he thinks panic will be a worse result than any possible outbreak here (I agree), but originally has a "just you wait and see how fast this spreads" attitude. Continually now posts from a "it spreads faster and is worse" stance because this outbreak is more widespread than any before it.

Evidence is strongly suggesting that it is not because it is a "new strain" or having some new characteristics, but because it is the first time it has hit a large population, which likes to touch their dead, was slow to get awareness growing of what was happening, and has poor infrastructure and medical capacity with dense population centers.

Based on historical experience this should behave like the Zaire strands always have. Flare up, burn fast and bright, and are contained or burn themselves out as they go through all available hosts. Additionally, it will not take a strong hold in the US, Europe, or elsewhere for all the reasons that the societies, flow of information, infrastructure, and medical capabilities are different.

CiC, you can take the counter, but for Human kinds sake, you better be hoping I'm right. ;)

280   Rew   2014 Oct 8, 2:17pm  

Call it Crazy says

1) Do you dispute the WHO chart I just posted?

Nope.

Call it Crazy says

2) Is it growing or slowing down in Western Africa?

Reported cases will be growing, but transmission rate is hard to measure. Unknown.

Call it Crazy says

3) Has it spread to any other countries besides the Western African ones?

Yes, but very limited and isolated.

Call it Crazy says

4) Is this outbreak larger or smaller than any other in the last decades?

Larger.

My turn:
1) Of all previous outbreaks has Ebola been contained?
2) Is this a new or known strain of Ebola with a close genetic history with well understood pathology and transmission?
3) Could the man cleaning the car just as easily have contracted Ebola by skin contact, poor suit removal, or any other typical touch contact?
4) Isn't it because West Africa has so many other fever like diseases, including Lassa, poor awareness of Ebola, mistrust of government, and burial practices involving touching dead bodies, the main contributing factors to why the Ebola outbreak is so bad in West Africa?
5) Is the strain airborne or known to be more infectious than any other previous strain of Ebola Zaire?
6) Why do you feel the need to post the half baked articles, and then when challenged, run to the WHO to argue over semantics?

Call it Crazy says

Do the reports from the MSM scare you when they report updated or changing information?

I'm STILL waiting on your response on this:

So far the media coverage is actually pretty positive in the direction of containment. So far, of all the travel and transmission cases, we have very little secondary outbreaks in the US and Europe ... so far (we need to see in a month). Of all the people Duncan came into contact only 9 were at high risk. That's pretty darn good, and we took quick action to quarantine. Additionally, right now, that travel and exposure case so mimics Mayinga and her bout with Ebola. No additional transmissions, lots of roaming in population centers, and visits to health facilities, with no additional transmissions.

Call it Crazy says

What about the Journalist who claimed he caught it from spray washing the car. Was he lying?

Lying no but he doesn't know his actual path of transmission. The same for the nurses aid in Spain and all the internet rabble about "the suit failure". This is also a side show defense for your concrete power washing photo post. It has no relation to how factual that was.

Call it Crazy says

There is no "historical experience" with this sized outbreak. Can you say "Normalcy Bias" if you think it will go the same way in these urban cities.

It goes the same way, on a bigger scale. More deaths, but eventually contained. One of the reasons Ebola's R0 is so low, is because of how lethal and fast it moves. I'm no virologist, but I believe it. If the virus was contagious when people were asymptomatic, or it was airborne, different story, but we know "this bug".

Call it Crazy says

Yep, they're different.... Should we review the Dallas case?

If you call 1 person, who picked up the virus from Liberia, and then traveled to die in the US the same as almost 4000 dead in West Africa ... you need a head check.

Call it Crazy says

I've never taken the counter, that's only been in your delusional brain. This is what my stance has been all along:

Good. We agree on that one thing. :) Panic will be worse. Seem's you may be doing your best to spread it though.

Call it Crazy says

We'll see... Nobody (including the experts) can say with certainty yet with this current outbreak (except for you)...

Certain, no. No one can be. Optimistic and confidant, yes.

You don't share that with me though, and I think your "facts" and posts are pretty well slanted toward the right wing panic and noise machine. Can you prove me wrong?

281   indigenous   2014 Oct 8, 2:23pm  

Rew says

Of all previous outbreaks has Ebola been contained?

A new word to add to the vernacular, endemic. The problem with endemic is that it gets that much more chance to mutate into an aerosol form.

282   Vicente   2014 Oct 8, 3:15pm  

Call it Crazy says

Yes I think this applies well, to threads you take over.

283   Rew   2014 Oct 8, 3:22pm  

Call it Crazy says

It's reported by WHO as a variant, but since I'm not a scientist, I don't know how much it "varies" from the previous strains.

It's pretty darn close from what I can see. 1990s flavor, uptake into zoo, and then down to Humans now. They will narrow it even closer I'm sure. I'm sure this thing is in hundreds of labs right now.
http://epidemic.bio.ed.ac.uk/ebolavirus_phylogeny

Call it Crazy says

Lethal, yes a 50%+ CFR.... Fast??, it's incubation is longer that some other viruses... Fast only comes in after symptoms show and how quick you die.

Currently believed you have very low viral count and are not infectious while asymptomatic. Take AIDS instead, a really slow killer, but related. You sit undetected, spread like crazy, and then knock people over after a long time. That's actually a positive for why it is less likely to spread. Also it has really noticeable symptoms! Ebola starts popping up everywhere, you feel like you have soar throat and flu, you quarantine yourself. It's not stealthy.

Call it Crazy says

You're claiming First World healthcare and facilities here, but the Dallas case shows we aren't any better.

Because we couldn't cure an incurable disease picked up in a foreign country? Of course we can catch it ... but again, so far, no transmission. Let's see how well we do.

Call it Crazy says

I'm NOT optimistic that our medical professionals and facilities can handle multiple cases. That's based on first hand experience working in the healthcare field.

I'll repeat what I've already said: I'm NOT concerned about the actual Ebola virus at all.

I'm more concerned on the countries inability to handle multiple cases and the government's knee-jerk reactions to the fear and response to the outcry of the general public.

And you think regurgitating the MSM is helpful to that cause?

Call it Crazy says

The latest report from her was that she thinks she touched her glove to her face.

That's right. And look at what it was yesterday.

What do you think the car wash guy's reason is going to be tomorrow? It could be spray back, but odds are far better for contact.

And yes, beat a dead horse example above.

So just stop it CiC. Do your part.

284   marcus   2014 Oct 8, 5:25pm  

BenghazebolaHusseinCabronObama says

Bgamall, is that you?

Best laugh I've had in a long time.

285   Vicente   2014 Oct 9, 1:46am  

I with Patrick.net had the ability for a moderator, to close a thread. This one has become unwieldy and useless.

286   indigenous   2014 Oct 9, 1:49am  

Vicente says

I with Patrick.net had the ability for a moderator, to close a thread. This one has become unwieldy and useless.

Translation:

I have been thoroughly beaten in this debate

287   Diva24   2014 Oct 9, 2:15am  

"While you dorks worry about Federal Reserve or the price of milk...."

I think you've got that backwards!

288   Boomchakalaka   2016 Oct 9, 4:14pm  

Ironman says

Only in America, send a clean-up crew in to mop up high contagious Ebola vomit, give them a power washer so they can blow it all over the place. Oh, and don't give them any personal protection equipment....

But, some people here feel that the authorities have everything under control and there is no chance of it spreading...

Sure.....

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Happy 2 year anniversary to the ebola powerwash hysteria, brought to us by our resident dipshit, CIC!!!

289   Rew   2017 Jul 19, 11:57am  

This ancient dweller in the blood never ceases to amaze.

Those reports of plagues being released by the perma frost melting in Siberia have been fascinating too. For our sake, I hope humans don't come into any more contact with super primitive diseases. As we tread over parts of the Earth we haven't been, or as parts of the Earth become re-exposed to potential human contact, things tend to not go very well for us in the infectious diseases department.

I'm sure the Trump administration will "win" if there was a flare up too. (gulp) They would be very willing to look at what Obama did, a massive success for the West African ebola response, and learn from that right? I mean, they wouldn't use a crisis of that type to stoke xenophobic fear and nationalism right?

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