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Reference material for my loss of interest in dating women thread


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2014 Jul 16, 3:43am   67,002 views  168 comments

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Since it's tough to run through an entire thread to find this, I figured I should make this a reference read, all on its own.

Original thread:

http://patrick.net/?p=1246407

Here's a trip report, emailed around, about an older guy, who's lost himself to the Philippines. For me, I do not believe in the expression, hindsight is 20/20. For me, it's more that that person's foresight was negligent. When I'm in my late 40s, I would not have gone through a similar crisis.

Traveler: "I'm 47 years old and in good health.

I’m not struggling with a mid-life crisis. Everything is, or was, going well for me.

I was satisfied with my life. I was happy and content, or I thought I was. So what the hell happened to me?

I have a good job. I was satisfied with it. I have a great wife, we almost never argue. We have two fine children, a boy and a girl, both in college. I make good money with cash in the bank. We have a nice house and a summer place on the beach. Even the pets, two cats and a dog, get along well together.

I went fishing to Canada once a year with my buddies, played tennis almost every weekend, golfed occasionally, movies with the family sometimes, cards with other couples once in a while, poker with the boys a couple of times a month, a night out with the guys once every blue moon, and sex with the wife once every two weeks or so.

Now I don’t give a damn about my current life. So what could have possibly turned my world upside-down? I went to Angeles City in the Philippines.

My downfall started several years ago when the three friends I go fishing with to Canada every year decided instead to go to Angeles City. They said they’d heard the streets were lined with sexy, young, and beautiful women, that all you had to do was show up with some cash in your pocket.

I’d heard those stories about other places in the world but I discounted them. I told them that was just a tall tale, but they insisted they were going. I couldn’t persuade them to change their minds. They attempted to convince me to go also but I wasn’t interested.

Their first trip was June 2001. They left grown men and returned little kids. They walked around most of the time with silly grins on their faces, and acted like they had a big secret they were just itching to tell everyone but couldn’t. When they were alone with the other guys, all they talked about was Angeles City. They told the wildest stories I’d ever heard. I quite frankly thought they had lost their minds, relating outrageous tales that couldn’t possibly be true.

One night my wife asked me if I had noticed anything different about my friends. When I told her I hadn’t, she said that my friends’ wives, all friends of hers, had told her their husbands had been acting a little strange ever since they returned from the last fishing trip.
I had lied to her. Of course I knew why they had been behaving strangely. The Philippines had done it to them. My friends were ten years old again, always carrying that goofy grin on their faces. I couldn’t understand how one trip to that place could cause so many changes in them.

They went the next year too, in June 2002. This time they returned with photographs. They had shots with two or three girls in the pool at their hotel, in restaurants, even in their rooms. The girls were gorgeous, sexy and young. They weren’t lying about that.Those photographs were their prized possession. They would excitedly jab a finger at one of the pictures and their voices would jump an octave while they related one of their stories. It was really strange behavior for normally mature men in their forties.

They described sex acts with those girls that I had only dreamed about, things that I couldn’t even mention to my wife. She would have left me instantly if I had even remotely suggested it might be fun to have a threesome with another female. I can just about guarantee you those kinds of subjects are never broached with a white, middle-class, Baptist wife.

Despite their photos, the vivid descriptions and graphic details of their latest adventures, I didn’t entirely believe their stories. I told them those things just don’t happen. I admitted they probably had sex with those girls, but I said I just didn’t believe they had two or three of those girls in the bed and had sex with them all at the same time.

My buddies lost interest in everything except talking about Angeles City and planning their next trip. My wife noticed the changes too, asking why I wasn’t playing tennis or golfing with the guys anymore. I just told her that they had gotten busy doing other things lately. She gave me one of those “Oh yeah?” looks. She knew something was awry but since normalcy was still the standard in our house, she didn’t push me on the subject.

It was a few months after their second trip to the Philippines that the guy that worked in the same company with me, separated from his wife. He was the first one.I was shocked when my wife told me about it. His wife had been over to my house, crying on my wife’s shoulder, really balling her eyes out my wife said. She told my wife she didn’t understand her husband anymore, they hadn’t had sex in months, he had been really weird and that she had no idea why he wanted to leave her.

My friend refused to explain anything to his wife. He wouldn’t discuss it with his two kids who were already grown and out of the house. He just took off, leaving his wife alone.

I wondered if the Philippines had pushed him over the edge. I talked to him, asking him if he was sick or something. He replied that he didn’t want to be married anymore. I told him it was those trips to the Philippines that had screwed him up. I remember his response clearly to this day,
“You don’t understand. You just don’t understand. You have to go there to understand”.

Shortly thereafter he filed for divorce. I talked to him again, telling him he was stupid for throwing away everything he had worked for the last twenty-five years or so. He just sat there with a hang-dog look, slowly nodding his head back and forth. He acted like he was being coerced to do something against his will, yet in his next breath when he mentioned Angeles City, he was instantly transformed, happy and grinning again.

I thought he was just a weak individual with no self-control or self-discipline. I told him bluntly he was just letting the little head do the thinking for the big head and that he should grow up and get over it. He told me that wasn’t it and repeated that I just had to go there to understand. It was all completely beyond my comprehension.They made their third trip to Angeles City in June 2003. When they returned, all they talked about was going again. All they cared about was getting back to Angeles City. It was their sole topic every time I saw them. Their behavior and attitudes were totally alien to me.

The guy that worked in the company with me was now divorced. Within two weeks of returning from their third trip, another one of the guys left his wife. My wife began wondering out loud about those fishing trips to Canada but she never confronted me directly.

In February of this year, my company sent a team of us to Japan on business. The friend that was now divorced was a member. We had planned to spend two weeks in Japan. As it turned out, we finished in a week. My friend suggested we take a jaunt down to the Philippines. I told him I wasn’t interested but he persisted until I relented.I wasn’t concerned in the least about what the Philippines might do to me. What had happened to my friends wouldn’t happen to me. So what if there are young sexy girls in the Philippines? So what if I could have sex with them? I wasn’t worried. I wasn’t going to Angeles to have sex with those women. Some of those girls in Angeles were my daughter’s age. I couldn’t have sex with women that young, no way! I couldn’t even imagine having sex with women that young. I was going to merely see what all the fuss was about.

So now I have been back from Angeles City almost three months. I thought a trip to the Philippines wouldn’t phase me. I was wrong. I thought I could return to my normal life without any disruptions. I was wrong. I assumed when I returned home, the memories of the trip would fade. I was wrong. I thought I would be able to deal with whatever Angeles City threw at me. I was totally wrong!

I understand my friends now. Everything they told me is true. When we get together, we howl and laugh and slap each other on the back. We tell the same stories over and over. We are closer friends now than ever before, almost brothers. We are members of a special group, for we have been to Angeles City!!!!

My friend took me to the Champagne Club first. He was well known there, several girls squealing, laughing, grabbing him and greeting us as we walked in the door. In no time at all he had introduced me to four or five stunning beauties; and I could take one, two or all of them home with me? It was something I’d never thought possible. Within five minutes of entering the Champagne Club, I had succumbed to the charms of Angeles City. I didn’t realize it then but I was already lost forever.

All I want now is to go again. I dream of the first night in Angeles City that changed my life forever. I had two gorgeous, sweet girls, naked with me in the hotel swimming pool, taking showers with me, all three of us nude in the bed, doing things I had hardly even read about in racy novels.

Or I dream of the time I stayed with Maricel, only twenty years old with a soft, sexy, purring voice that will melt you like an ice cube in the hot Philippino sun. She has a body and face that would win beauty contests in the United States.We were together four glorious days and nights. We spend most of the days around the hotel pool, swimming, throwing the beach ball back and forth and splashing water. She would wrap her legs around my waist and her arms around my neck and pull me close while we were lounging in the water. Sitting by the pool she was always near me, touching me or holding my hand. Frequently she crawled up in my lap, playing with my ears or hair and kissing me on the neck, face and lips.

She was the most loving, affectionate and accommodating woman I’d ever met in my life. My wish was her command. She would run get my cigars, go to the store to pick up snacks for the room and take the dirty clothes to the laundry. You name it, she did it for me. She never complained about anything, not once in four days.We made love in the morning when we woke up. Usually in the late afternoon we’d make love again. At night we’d go out to eat and then go bar hopping. Afterwards we’d return to the hotel and make love again. She always wanted to sleep close to me, throwing an arm and a leg over my body. Sometimes I would just lay there listening to her soft breathing next to my ear while she slept. It was heaven!

She wasn’t jealous either. When we were in the clubs, I could call other girls over, buy them drinks and talk to them. She would sit close, always touching me while she joined in the conversations. She even told me it was ok if I wanted to take another girl with us.

Can you imagine a white woman volunteering to bring another chick home for sex? I thought I was dreaming. This couldn’t be happening. This young beautiful lady was willing to share me with another girl, at the same time? I told her “No” because I was so enraptured of her, I didn’t want to share her with anyone, not even another girl.

We were making love three times a day, sometimes more. During the day she would sometimes whisper in my ear, “Honey, let’s go inside.” We did it everywhere imaginable in the room, on the desk, on the floor, sitting on the couch, in the shower, everywhere! We even did it in the hotel pool late one night.

Any kind of sex I wanted was OK with her. In fact she showed me some things I’d never done before. If you can imagine it, I think we did it. Our love-making was indescribable!Never in my life had I felt like this. I had boundless energy the entire trip, even though I was sleeping only three or four hours a night. I feel twenty years younger now. I am full in spirit. I am alive!!!

Angeles City is amazing. Everyone smiles and greets you wherever you go, even the girls on the street. They hooted and hollered when I walked into the clubs where I was known. The guys living there were friendly. You could easily meet them anywhere, in the clubs, outdoor bars, Kokomo’s and other restaurants. They would spend time drinking a beer, chatting and relating their life experiences with you. I wanted to be like them. I wanted to live their lives.When I was in Angeles City, I was a new person. The world as I knew it had ceased to exist. I could speak freely. I didn’t have to modify my behavior for fear of repercussions. People left me alone. I could do just about anything I wanted and wouldn’t be criticized – there was no politically-correct bullshit in Angeles City.

I didn’t have to get up early and drag myself to work every day. I didn’t have a demanding boss looking over my shoulder. I didn’t have those relentless monthly bills that are unavoidable at home. I didn’t have to worry about changing the oil in the cars, cutting the grass, fixing the roof or catering to the wife’s needs. Hell, I didn’t even have to take out the garbage.I had miraculously escaped the rat race and the suffocating restrictions American society imposes on all of us.

Angles City!!!! This is the way it is supposed to be! I am free! I control my destiny!So after one trip to Angeles City, I found I was locked into my life at home, a life I didn’t want anymore. I thought I had lost my mind. My behavior changed, just as my friends’ did. My wife started asking me what was wrong with me. I could see the worried look on her face. She was concerned for my mental health. I wouldn’t, couldn’t explain anything to her. She suggested I see a psychiatrist. I did, explaining in much greater detail than here.While I talked for over an hour, the doc sat there with this incredulous look on his face. I wondered if he was deciding if I was a complete lunatic or planning his first trip to the Philippines.

He told me I wasn’t crazy, advising me to grow up, get over it and get on with my life, the same thing I had told my friends. Ironically I found myself repeating, just as my friends had to me,
“You don’t understand. You just don’t understand. You have to go there to understand”.

Going to the doctor didn’t do much good. I did decide I hadn’t totally lost my marbles, but I had lost interest in everything I had held dear before.

The job? The hell with it. I don’t care anymore. I still go to work because I have to. Believe me, if it wasn’t required, I wouldn’t set foot in the office another day. I have another 15 years to work before I’m eligible to retire. I don’t think I can last that long. Physically I’m ok. Mentally, I shudder to think I have to work another fifteen years before I can retire to the Philippines.

My hobbies? Tennis anyone? Screw it, I never play the game anymore. Fishing? I’ll give you my rods and reels, just drop by the house some afternoon. Golf? My clubs can turn to rust for all I care. Playing cards with the wife and friends? No thanks, it’s boring. Poker with the guys? Yeah but we just drink and talk about the Philippines. I seldom see a movie and I never watch TV anymore.

I had never spent a lot of time on the computer at home before I went to Angeles City but I do now, always checking the bulletin boards. I crave any information at all about the place. I cruise the Angeles City and bar web sites, looking at all the photos and devouring any news about the town. When the wife’s out of the house or sleeping, I chat with the girls I know there.I haven’t had sex with my wife since I returned from the Philippines. I’m not interested in sex with her anymore. We don’t even sleep in the same bedroom now. My wife has done nothing wrong but she’s losing me, 27 years of marriage down the toilet. She’s aware it’s happening but doesn’t understand why or how to stop it.

I am thrown into depression and despair when I hear her crying and sobbing through the wall at night, yet at the same time I’m wishing she would finally go to sleep so I can sneak off to the computer and chat with the girls in Angeles City. We are on the road to divorce and like my friends before me, it’s entirely my fault, yet I am powerless to change anything.

I know I can not go back to being the man I was previously. I admit to you I don’t even want to go back to my prior life, for I have been to the Elysian Fields. I am obsessed with returning. The desire to be on the streets, and in the bars in Angeles City is an overpowering drug I can not control. I can’t wait until I get on the plane again. It’s all I dream of.

I dislike myself though, for not being strong enough to resist the siren call of Angeles City. I abhor the thoughts, emotions and desires that lure me back to Fields Avenue, yet in the next second, my spirit soars and I am smiling again as I think of my next trip, but I hate myself for ruining my family’s lives. Sometimes I cry too, knowing what I will ultimately do to them.

Yet my thoughts about Angeles City never dissipate. I care to talk only of my experiences there. I am irresistibly drawn to Fields Avenue just as lemmings are to the sea. All I want is to get back to what was heaven on earth for me. It is the sole reason for my existence anymore.

If you are happy now, don’t go to Angeles City. Angeles City will destroy your life. Once you have visited that town, you will lose interest in everything and everyone at home. Every waking hour you will spend plotting to return again, and again, and again, and again.

I am an Angeles City junkie now, addicted until I die.

Don’t go to Angeles City. Don’t ruin your life as I have done. "

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31   Eman   2014 Jul 16, 8:32am  

New Renter says

Look up the insurance rates first.

Sometimes, you have to pay to play. I learned that from Rin. :0)

32   Eman   2014 Jul 16, 8:34am  

Wife wants to work to keep the medical insurance for us. Also, she likes to work and can take off work whenever. She wants me to stay home to take care of our daughter. Works for me.

33   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 8:35am  

E-man says

New Renter says

Look up the insurance rates first.

Sometimes, you have to pay to play. I learned that from Rin. :0)

They are good looking.

I'd get a toy too but I've come to value empty garage space.

..And I could probably borrow my Stepdad's toys if I asked.

34   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 8:36am  

E-man says

Wife wants to work to keep the medical insurance for us. Also, she likes to work and can take off work whenever. She wants me to stay home to take care of our daughter. Works for me.

Me too.

35   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Jul 16, 8:36am  

The guy in the story is an imbecile.

1.) He did his life in reverse. Fuck around while you are young, settle down in your 40's, when the mind is still willing but the body is no longer so compliant.

2.) He is delusional enough to believe these young hot girls want him. This is why these older dudes hooking up with prostitutes do really stupid stuff like going down on a hooker. So delusional they don't realize the hooker is tolerating them for money.

3.) No guy has to go to Philpines for sex. As a young guy in the US you can have as much sex as you are willing to put effort into. Why do you think black guys are so successful with women? They hit on everything that moves, and adjust expectations and standards to fit their finances and physical appearance. If you approach women and are ok with rejection( which every man should be), you'll get laid eventually without anything to do with money. Now if you're an older dude, and you want way younger women for NSA, yeah then you will have issues.

36   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 8:39am  

dodgerfanjohn says

Now if you're an older dude, and you want way younger women for NSA, yeah then you will have issues.

NSA? I hear they have their own ways of getting women.

37   Rin   2014 Jul 16, 8:55am  

Quigley says

Rin says

Best places are the soapy massage parlours in Thailand.

Yah that was awesome, but then I grew up and realized that hedonism was meaningless and wouldn't make me happy in the long run. In fact, the more hedonistic I act, the more grouchy I get. It's a condundrum, how trying to please myself winds up with me

But isn't that a big part of it and that's finding balance.

I mean it's the difference between having one or two Taqueray Martinis vs downing an entire bottle of Gin. The former provides satisfaction whereas the latter makes you sick.

I mean during those trips to Rio, it's not like I went to the Thermas (naughty saunas) everyday. Sometimes I'd catch a game with friends, sometimes I'd go for a boat ride/swim, try out new restaurants, watch shows, and gasp, work all night on client issues.

But then, I broke it up with Thermas, the strip clubs, etc.

All and all, life was in balance. The fun was not one dimensional.

38   Rin   2014 Jul 16, 8:56am  

dodgerfanjohn says

2.) He is delusional enough to believe these young hot girls want him.

Cmon, you don't really believe that he doesn't know that it's a part of the act?

He'd just lost his mind in a pile of p*ssy.

39   dublin hillz   2014 Jul 16, 9:11am  

Dan8267 says

RedStar says



If you have to pay for sex you're doing it wrong


All men pay for sex. Those who marry pay the most.

Not necessarily. For example marrying a wife who makes $100,000 is equivalent to having a $2.5 million portfolio at 4% withdrawal rates (leaving taxes out for simplicity). Marrying a stay at home wife on the other hand is like having your own portfolio decimated....in other words fuck 50s lifestyle!

40   Heraclitusstudent   2014 Jul 16, 9:13am  

Rin says

She wasn’t jealous either.

Why would she be?
And if a richer guy shows up, don't be jealous!

41   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 9:15am  

dublin hillz says

fuck 50s lifestyle!

Sounds like a naughty Happy Days theme club

42   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 9:27am  

Rin says

dodgerfanjohn says

2.) He is delusional enough to believe these young hot girls want him.

Cmon, you don't really believe that he doesn't know that it's a part of the act?

This is a guy who tossed aside a happy marriage at the drop of a hat. He's clearly irrational enough to believe anything.

43   Rin   2014 Jul 16, 10:18am  

New Renter says

Rin says

dodgerfanjohn says

2.) He is delusional enough to believe these young hot girls want him.

Cmon, you don't really believe that he doesn't know that it's a part of the act?

This is a guy who tossed aside a happy marriage at the drop of a hat. He's clearly irrational enough to believe anything.

Reminds me of heroin addicts, who would completely tossed away a life, just to get high.

45   Rin   2014 Jul 16, 1:57pm  

The Original Bankster says

I think I posted this here before: http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Hate-My-Wife/409

Yeah, more Tales of the Cannon Fodder

46   New Renter   2014 Jul 16, 2:33pm  

Rin says

New Renter says

Rin says

dodgerfanjohn says

2.) He is delusional enough to believe these young hot girls want him.

Cmon, you don't really believe that he doesn't know that it's a part of the act?

This is a guy who tossed aside a happy marriage at the drop of a hat. He's clearly irrational enough to believe anything.

Reminds me of heroin addicts, who would completely tossed away a life, just to get high.

One and the same.

47   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2014 Jul 16, 3:38pm  

RedStar says

If you have to pay for sex you're doing it wrong

most men pay for sex one way or another.

48   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 3:20am  

Peter P says

Dan8267 says

RedStar says

If you have to pay for sex you're doing it wrong

All men pay for sex. Those who marry pay the most.

Those who are divorced pay even more.

Word!

49   NDrLoR   2014 Jul 17, 4:59am  

New Renter says

You get what you pay for

Including HIV and HPV.

50   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jul 17, 5:06am  

I can see jetting off once or twice a year to bang some young cute things and swap stories with the buddies around a beer in a tropical environment, being 18 again for a week or so, wolf pack.

I can't see somebody ruining their whole family just to bang some chicks.

But, if he's 47, and says he was married at 20, that's why - his wife is also probably his first girlfriend, maybe his one and only lay.

I say he gets bored of banging by the 20th chick and tries to get back with wife.

51   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 5:20am  

thunderlips11 says

and tries to get back with wife.

I wonder if he'll write up that story too.

52   Eman   2014 Jul 17, 5:25am  

thunderlips11 says

I can't see somebody ruining their whole family just to bang some chicks.

Not sure what you meant by this. It takes a lifetime to build trust and takes a moment to ruin it. Do you mind if your wife is banging some other dudes once or twice a year? Like leverage in real estate, it cuts both ways.

53   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 5:28am  

thunderlips11 says

But, if he's 47, and says he was married at 20, that's why - his wife is also probably his first girlfriend, maybe his one and only lay.

That's sort of what I was thinking.

thunderlips11 says

I say he gets bored of banging by the 20th chick and tries to get back with wife.

Well, unlike heroin, there's no methadone program for this one.

Either he starts to do some real drugs or there's no recreating that high.

54   jdubbs29   2014 Jul 17, 5:56am  

That is a really depressing thread. I don't get guys having to bang other women to make them happy. Grow up, men!

The part about his wife crying through the wall just made me sad as well.
I don't get why guys like to do this, and I'm a straight, married man.

55   Oilwelldoctor   2014 Jul 17, 6:47am  

I live in Barrio Barretto. Just like Angeles City but smaller. About 80 KM from AC. Yeah, you are right. It is great. Philippines is the best. English speaking. Nice polite people. I dropped out 4 years ago at 57. So glad I could afford to do so. Got a friend just like you can't wait to get his pension issues settled in the USA and get over here.

Most of the comments on ur thread are negative. And I understand completely. But as you say many times, you gotta come to get it.

Send me a note if you want to stay in touch.

56   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 6:54am  

Oilwelldoctor says

It is great. Philippines is the best. English speaking. Nice polite people. I dropped out 4 years ago at 57. So glad I could afford to do so. Got a friend just like you can't wait to get his pension issues settled in the USA and get over here.

Most of the comments on ur thread are negative. And I understand completely. But as you say many times, you gotta come to get it.

I believe that a lot of ppl don't want to be free. And thus, they read something like this and think that the person's nuts.

In reality, I think the problem is that he'd waited too long and thus, his first few trips were like heroin and then, he'd lost it.

I use a measured approach and thus, I didn't *lose* it in Brazil, despite practically having every other girl at clubs, wanting to dance with me.

57   Bigsby   2014 Jul 17, 7:01am  

I just read the original spiel, and it sounded like it came courtesy of a bit of teenage creative writing. If not that, then an adult a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

58   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jul 17, 7:03am  

E-man says

Not sure what you meant by this. It takes a lifetime to build trust and takes a moment to ruin it. Do you mind if your wife is banging some other dudes once or twice a year? Like leverage in real estate, it cuts both ways.

Not the same, I think. A dude can have sex with someone from the bar on a business trip and forget the gal's name by morning, go home and kiss his wife and truly still be very attached to her. Very very few women (there are *some*) can have lots of sex and remain *interested* - physically and emotionally - in their husband. Most men have no problem with this.

jdubbs29 says

That is a really depressing thread. I don't get guys having to bang other women to make them happy. Grow up, men!

The part about his wife crying through the wall just made me sad as well.

I don't get why guys like to do this, and I'm a straight, married man.

I don't get Middle Aged men doing this. I do get young married guys straying.

There's the maturity of sticking with the bed you made (as long as you can still sleep in it), and the maturity of avoiding a situation you're pretty sure you ain't gonna like.

The immaturity is getting married young to your HS/College Sweetheart/First Woman You Spent more than One Nigh With, and then ruining everyone's lives 20 years later.

59   Oilwelldoctor   2014 Jul 17, 7:58am  

You guys got it wrong. It is not about banging 18 year olds. Well, part (hehehe!). But it is so much more. And the girls we screw don't love us! Of course they don't! And that is not what it is about either.

About being tied to a $20,000 a month salary and have noting to show for it after the bills are paid. The ingratitude of efforts made. Middle age crisis perhaps; call it what you will.

The America is a materialistic entrapment. You got to get outside of it. Most never will and like the man said, it is probably for the best.

60   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 8:02am  

Oilwelldoctor says

About being tied to a $20,000 a month salary and have noting to show for it after the bills are paid. The ingratitude of efforts made. Middle age crisis perhaps; call it what you will.

$20k/mo salary and nothing to show for it after the bills are paid?

Whose bills are you paying?!

61   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 9:36am  

Oilwelldoctor says

And the girls we screw don't love us! Of course they don't!

You're one of the few persons, posting here, who's made that observation. And that's that these guys aren't delusional about love with a 20 year old.

I also kinda saw that, during my brief times in Thailand, bumping into ex-pats on Sukhumvit Rd Bangkok or Pattaya Beach. Everyone was aware of the game but of course, ppl went along with the activities for fun and relaxation.

62   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 10:30am  

Rin says

...She was the most loving, affectionate and accommodating woman I’d ever met in my life. My wish was her command. She would run get my cigars, go to the store to pick up snacks for the room and take the dirty clothes to the laundry. You name it, she did it for me. She never complained about anything, not once in four days.We made love in the morning when we woke up. Usually in the late afternoon we’d make love again. At night we’d go out to eat and then go bar hopping. Afterwards we’d return to the hotel and make love again. She always wanted to sleep close to me, throwing an arm and a leg over my body. Sometimes I would just lay there listening to her soft breathing next to my ear while she slept. It was heaven!...

Rin says

You're one of the few persons, posting here, who's made that observation. And that's that these guys aren't delusional about love with a 20 year old.

Sounds delusional to me.

63   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 10:44am  

New Renter says

Sounds delusional to me.

I will say that it's a fantasy of being 'loved' by a young one, as well as having someone at your beck and call.

Did you ever see reruns of 'Fantasy Island', where ppl spent money to live out some phantasmagorical experience?

I believe that it's kinda the same idea ... exotic locale, beautiful women, and then the men go nuts.

64   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 11:08am  

Rin says

New Renter says

Sounds delusional to me.

I will say that it's a fantasy of being 'loved' by a young one, as well as having someone at your beck and call.

Did you ever see reruns of 'Fantasy Island', where ppl spent money to live out some phantasmagorical experience?

I believe that it's kinda the same idea ... exotic locale, beautiful women, and then the men go nuts.

Right, men go nuts, e.g. become delusional.

I'm only going on what the man himself wrote. His words are not those of a rational mind but as you say those of one deep in a fantasy world. "making love", not bo*nking. "she always wanted to sleep close to me" instead of "she was clingy", "It was heaven!" instead of "It was @#%^ AWESOME!".

65   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 11:19am  

New Renter says

His words are not those of a rational mind but as you say those of one deep in a fantasy world. "making love", not bo*nking. "she always wanted to sleep close to me" instead of "she was clingy", "It was heaven!" instead of "It was @#%^ AWESOME!"

Look, not every guy is like me.

Some like to play in their childhood dreams of let's say fighting Darth Vader, being a guitar hero at Madison Sq Garden, making love to a Southeast Asian model.

And thus, my type of narrative like ... my snake was awakened to her swollen melons; I'd felt the sandwich of a Menage-a-Trios; the slide of her smooth, naked body sent me into a catatonic reverie; and so forth would be me writing a trip report.

66   marcus   2014 Jul 17, 12:15pm  

thunderlips11 says

But, if he's 47, and says he was married at 20, that's why - his wife is also probably his first girlfriend, maybe his one and only lay.

That was my take too.

67   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 12:45pm  

sbh says

But if you find yourself unhappy in a $20k/mo salary world, just admit that you find yourself in a world composed

That's a standard physician's salary, I'm guessing.

And thus, a life of being anchored to a clinic, only to maintain a *Keeping up with the Jones* suburban wife et al, probably wasn't appealing after the age of 45.

Understand this ... in my field, finance, some high rollers are into drugs (coke, esp) and high end esc*rts, regularly. Granted, my firm isn't quite the "Wolf of Wall St" culture like some others, but on the whole, regular debauchery vs living the upper middle class motif, is more prevalent among those in my field. Big Money types tend to be freer to break the rules. Doctors, on the other hand, are suppose to be the custodian of the rules, as their world is guided by protocols (and billing insurance providers).

So when this person discovered that he could drop all those patients and other suburban facades of happiness, he opted out, and went for the Philippines.

68   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 12:51pm  

Rin says

Look, not every guy is like me.

I'm not drawing a parallel.

69   Rin   2014 Jul 17, 1:06pm  

New Renter says

Rin says

Look, not every guy is like me.

I'm not drawing a parallel.

Sure, but unlike the avg STEM Joe, who never had global experiences with exotic women, and then, became the *Bobcat of Wall St*, I understand the difference between indulging fantasies and attempting to map my life to them.

The person who didn't experience my life, however, may try to make his fantasies more real, by simply throwing money at trips to the Philippines.

I'm able to make those distinctions so while my face is buried in some hottie's bosom, I at least know that it's my body which is getting the pleasure, not some unfulfilled fantasy of yesteryear.

70   New Renter   2014 Jul 17, 1:09pm  

Rin says

New Renter says

Rin says

Look, not every guy is like me.

I'm not drawing a parallel.

Sure, but unlike the avg STEM Joe, who never had global experiences with exotic women, and then, became the *Bobcat of Wall St*, I understand the difference between indulging fantasies and attempting to map my life to them.

The person who didn't experience my life, however, may try to make his fantasies more real, by simply throwing money, at trips to the Philippines.

I'm able to make those distinctions so while my face is buried in some hottie's bosom, I at least know that it's my body which is getting the pleasure, not some unfulfilled fantasy of yesteryear.

That's called maturity.

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